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Kettrina Malice
Chilastra Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.06.08 02:46:21 -
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I figured I would just ask here before I went and did an hours worth of research on price, yield per cycle etc. I am just getting back into the game so I am a little rusty on all of this. But is the reason isk per m/3 because running back to town takes too long? I am mining for 1 1/2 hours and jet canning, and then grabbing my freighter. I am focusing on Omber right now. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3281
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Posted - 2016.06.08 03:56:48 -
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Omber is and has always been the worst.
Right now of Highsec ores Plaig then Kernite are winning.
Bistot is the winning Null ore.
Edit: Just in case someone posts different figures, this was Jita market based on mineral value calculations. Exporting compressed ore, selling raw or other markets may be different order. |
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
7110
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Posted - 2016.06.08 04:02:12 -
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You always need trit.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
503
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Posted - 2016.06.08 04:09:16 -
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http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore
Just click to order by ISK. |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
816
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Posted - 2016.06.08 04:09:35 -
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So let me get this straight; you mine in highsec and scoop cans in a freighter? Ok? This is an efficient process how..? |
Kettrina Malice
Chilastra Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.06.08 04:42:18 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:So let me get this straight; you mine in highsec and scoop cans in a freighter? Ok? This is an efficient process how..?
Because I mine 150k m3 ore, grab my freighter, warp to 0, and then pick up 5 cans, warp back out. It's like a 3 and a half minute process every hour and a half. Ok? So explain to me how that is so inefficient it requires a completely appalled response? So Caleb, what is the correct min/max way? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
15379
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Posted - 2016.06.08 05:50:43 -
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Mmm Veldspar.
/c
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Joe Un
Order Collective
Blades of Grass
8
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Posted - 2016.06.08 06:02:15 -
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Please save your life and stop mining |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3281
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Posted - 2016.06.08 06:06:57 -
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Kettrina Malice wrote:
Because I mine 150k m3 ore, grab my freighter, warp to 0, and then pick up 5 cans, warp back out. It's like a 3 and a half minute process every hour and a half. Ok? So explain to me how that is so inefficient it requires a completely appalled response? So Caleb, what is the correct min/max way?
There is this industrial that carries about 60k of ore, for about 2 million isk. Saves your freighter being ganked.
Also one should be using Retrievers with their ore hold of about 30k and warping straight to station, or people can can flip you.
Even when I'm mining if I see someone jetcanning I'll grab my procurer and can flip them. |
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
387
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Posted - 2016.06.08 06:42:33 -
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Kettrina Malice wrote:I am focusing on Omber right now.
Surely the market hasn't changed that much? |
Sustrai Aditua
Intandofisa
267
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Posted - 2016.06.08 06:44:57 -
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Cause Chribba waved his hand over it.
If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
893
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Posted - 2016.06.08 10:18:19 -
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Kettrina Malice wrote:I figured I would just ask here before I went and did an hours worth of research on price, yield per cycle etc. I am just getting back into the game so I am a little rusty on all of this. But is the reason isk per m/3 because running back to town takes too long? I am mining for 1 1/2 hours and jet canning, and then grabbing my freighter. I am focusing on Omber right now.
Omber is literally the worst mineral you could be mining. Check the website Shae linked.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Captain Dingles
Sapingo and Co. Ltd.
Killswitch Alliance
7
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Posted - 2016.06.08 11:02:45 -
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I used to be a miner like you until i took an exploration frigate to the knee. |
Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
2867
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Posted - 2016.06.08 11:30:13 -
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I am running a buyback program out in null atm and have an appallingly large surplus of pyerite. When queried as to why this was so, the miners responded, "Because bistot is the best isk per hour".
I make no judgement on the accuracy of this statement because I am a mining virgin.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Yarosara Ruil
372
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Posted - 2016.06.08 11:43:14 -
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Zappity wrote:I am running a buyback program out in null atm and have an appallingly large surplus of pyerite. When queried as to why this was so, the miners responded, "Because bistot is the best isk per hour".
I make no judgement on the accuracy of this statement because I am a mining virgin.
That's mostly because Zydrine and Megacyte are very important and hard to come by in Highsec and Bistot happens to be the ore that includes both. |
Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
346
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Posted - 2016.06.08 14:59:46 -
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I get the best return out of Pyroxeres chain in HiSec for 'standard' mining. Opportunity mining is Glaze. If you can get a resource site lined up with an in system buy site, it is the fastest ISK gain I've seen in HiSec mining, but it's not always easy to get alignment on those.
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Kettrina Malice
Chilastra Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.06.08 15:03:08 -
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Elenahina wrote:Kettrina Malice wrote:I figured I would just ask here before I went and did an hours worth of research on price, yield per cycle etc. I am just getting back into the game so I am a little rusty on all of this. But is the reason isk per m/3 because running back to town takes too long? I am mining for 1 1/2 hours and jet canning, and then grabbing my freighter. I am focusing on Omber right now. Omber is literally the worst mineral you could be mining. Check the website Shae linked.
Yeah so I set up my reprocessing % (71.4% both) and the 150k m3 I mine, using the tool you pointed me to. This literally makes my point. What I am asking is EVERYONE is so vehement about Feldspar being the best. I am asking you WHY everyone is saying that, the research I do points in the other direction. I mine in a system where I know everyone, and hardly ever get someone coming through the I don't know. Being ganked in the 1 minutes my Freighter would be vulnerable is extremely low. I don't care about Veldspar value being higher because of risk of ganking being put into the equation.
So again, I will restate my original question. Is there something I am not aware of, such that you can mine 300k m3 Veld in the same amount of time you could mine 150k Omber, essentially doubling that 22 mill figure.
Omber
31,829,199
33,420,659
35,012,119
(212.19)
Veldspar
22,277,046
23,390,898
24,504,750
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Xargun
X-Industries and Design
4
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Posted - 2016.06.08 16:24:51 -
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Kettrina Malice wrote:I figured I would just ask here before I went and did an hours worth of research on price, yield per cycle etc. I am just getting back into the game so I am a little rusty on all of this. But is the reason isk per m/3 because running back to town takes too long? I am mining for 1 1/2 hours and jet canning, and then grabbing my freighter. I am focusing on Omber right now.
I've been gone a few years, but when did they allow freighters to interact with jetcans ?
Xargun
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Galaxxis
Unicorn Rampage
132
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Posted - 2016.06.08 16:27:44 -
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A jet can miner!!! Get her! |
Lugues Slive
Diamond Light Industries
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Posted - 2016.06.08 16:36:01 -
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There is something off in your math.
From the link, mineral prices are;
Trit - 6.04
Pyerite - 9.61
Iso - 97.30
Now ignoring refine rate because you state they are the same;
Veld - 42.5 trit/m3 * 6.04 = 250.66 isk/m3
Omber - 13.33 trit * 6.04 + 1.67 pyerite * 9.61 + 1.42 iso * 97.30 = 234.856 isk/m3
Now of course your local market may be different. |
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
815
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Posted - 2016.06.08 17:04:28 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kettrina Malice wrote:
Because I mine 150k m3 ore, grab my freighter, warp to 0, and then pick up 5 cans, warp back out. It's like a 3 and a half minute process every hour and a half. Ok? So explain to me how that is so inefficient it requires a completely appalled response? So Caleb, what is the correct min/max way?
There is this industrial that carries about 60k of ore, for about 2 million isk. Saves your freighter being ganked. Also one should be using Retrievers with their ore hold of about 30k and warping straight to station, or people can can flip you. Even when I'm mining if I see someone jetcanning I'll grab my procurer and can flip them.
Honestly - can flipping is very rare these days because the owner can just flip the can back without any repercussions. and the size of barge ore holds largely make it unnecessary. But if you still want to you can easily safely can mine. I used to do it all the time back in the day when I would semi-afk mine on one account while pvping on another. The secret to safe mining is to pick an out of the way place to mine. In all the time I mined I was flipped only once (the guy didnt realize that I only mine in battle barges).
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Kettrina Malice
Chilastra Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.06.08 17:07:16 -
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Lugues Slive wrote:There is something off in your math.
From the link, mineral prices are;
Trit - 6.04
Pyerite - 9.61
Iso - 97.30
Now ignoring refine rate because you state they are the same;
Veld - 42.5 trit/m3 * 6.04 = 250.66 isk/m3
Omber - 13.33 trit * 6.04 + 1.67 pyerite * 9.61 + 1.42 iso * 97.30 = 234.856 isk/m3
Now of course your local market may be different.
I mean I don't know what to tell you. It's straight off of that website, it has Veld at 148.51/m3. I'm not sure what market data it's pulling but I will agree it doesn't all math up.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12312
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Posted - 2016.06.08 17:11:46 -
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Kettrina Malice wrote:Feldspar being the best.
Let's mine some Veldspar
Don't you mean 'Feldspar'?
Not if you want to get sued!
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Kettrina Malice
Chilastra Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.06.08 17:14:45 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Kettrina Malice wrote:
Because I mine 150k m3 ore, grab my freighter, warp to 0, and then pick up 5 cans, warp back out. It's like a 3 and a half minute process every hour and a half. Ok? So explain to me how that is so inefficient it requires a completely appalled response? So Caleb, what is the correct min/max way?
There is this industrial that carries about 60k of ore, for about 2 million isk. Saves your freighter being ganked. Also one should be using Retrievers with their ore hold of about 30k and warping straight to station, or people can can flip you. Even when I'm mining if I see someone jetcanning I'll grab my procurer and can flip them. Honestly - can flipping is very rare these days because the owner can just flip the can back without any repercussions. and the size of barge ore holds largely make it unnecessary. But if you still want to you can easily safely can mine. I used to do it all the time back in the day when I would semi-afk mine on one account while pvping on another. The secret to safe mining is to pick an out of the way place to mine. In all the time I mined I was flipped only once (the guy didnt realize that I only mine in battle barges).
Yeah, I mine on my laptop while doing other stuff on my main. I'm not like super efficiently cycling and stuff. Who cares if someone grabs a can or two. I will sacrifice efficiency for minimal babysitting. |
Captain Dingles
Sapingo and Co. Ltd.
Killswitch Alliance
10
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Posted - 2016.06.08 17:14:53 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Kettrina Malice wrote:Feldspar being the best. Let's mine some Veldspar Don't you mean 'Feldspar'? Not if you want to get sued!
At first i didn't like the glasses but then i realized it makes you sound even snarkier. ;) |
Kettrina Malice
Chilastra Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2016.06.08 17:21:55 -
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Lugues Slive wrote:There is something off in your math.
From the link, mineral prices are;
Trit - 6.04
Pyerite - 9.61
Iso - 97.30
Now ignoring refine rate because you state they are the same;
Veld - 42.5 trit/m3 * 6.04 = 250.66 isk/m3
Omber - 13.33 trit * 6.04 + 1.67 pyerite * 9.61 + 1.42 iso * 97.30 = 234.856 isk/m3
Now of course your local market may be different.
Edit...
Considering you are consistently mining omber you are most likely in gallente or minmatar space. Both of these regions also have plag, which is currently the highest value high sec ore.
But trying to get back on topic, I am trying to understand why Veldspar is the best, and not just because a website said so, or someone did math on per m3. I understand the processing per m3, the cycles though, I don't see myself mining the same m3 per cycle on different ore. So there is still another part to this equation.
So I guess just answer this for me then please and I can do the rest. Are the mining yields per cycle supposed to be on average the same, because I assume they are ranges per cycle. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
895
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Posted - 2016.06.08 17:28:08 -
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Kettrina Malice wrote:Lugues Slive wrote:There is something off in your math.
From the link, mineral prices are;
Trit - 6.04
Pyerite - 9.61
Iso - 97.30
Now ignoring refine rate because you state they are the same;
Veld - 42.5 trit/m3 * 6.04 = 250.66 isk/m3
Omber - 13.33 trit * 6.04 + 1.67 pyerite * 9.61 + 1.42 iso * 97.30 = 234.856 isk/m3
Now of course your local market may be different.
Edit...
Considering you are consistently mining omber you are most likely in gallente or minmatar space. Both of these regions also have plag, which is currently the highest value high sec ore. But trying to get back on topic, I am trying to understand why Veldspar is the best, and not just because a website said so, or someone did math on per m3. I understand the processing per m3, the cycles though, I don't see myself mining the same m3 per cycle on different ore. So there is still another part to this equation. So I guess just answer this for me then please and I can do the rest. Are the mining yields per cycle supposed to be on average the same, because I assume they are ranges per cycle.
Your m3 per cycle shouldn't change, as long as everything else remains equal. What are you using to mine with?
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Lugues Slive
Diamond Light Industries
36
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Posted - 2016.06.08 17:31:19 -
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Kettrina Malice wrote:
I mean I don't know what to tell you. It's straight off of that website, it has Veld at 148.51/m3. I'm not sure what market data it's pulling but I will agree it doesn't all math up.
So I never actually use that site for anything but grabbing market values of mins for my own spreadsheet. For a sanity check I created a profile and dropped in your info. I can tell you that something in that site is screwed up.
In high sec you should have (with the listed Jita prices)
Plag-209.63
Pyro-196.06
Kern-194.83
Veld-178.07
Scord-177.72
Omber-166.61
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Lugues Slive
Diamond Light Industries
36
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Posted - 2016.06.08 17:36:25 -
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The better question is, who is telling you veld is the best? It is the most common and one of the fastest to train for in terms of crystals and refine rate and in the grand scheme of things, only barely the best source of trit, but beyond that it's pretty average for high sec. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
895
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Posted - 2016.06.08 17:37:53 -
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Lugues Slive wrote:Kettrina Malice wrote:
I mean I don't know what to tell you. It's straight off of that website, it has Veld at 148.51/m3. I'm not sure what market data it's pulling but I will agree it doesn't all math up.
So I never actually use that site for anything but grabbing market values of mins for my own spreadsheet. For a sanity check I created a profile and dropped in your info. I can tell you that something in that site is screwed up. In high sec you should have (with the listed Jita prices) Plag-209.63 Pyro-196.06 Kern-194.83 Veld-178.07 Scord-177.72 Omber-166.61
It depends on the profile you "create". If you type in something common, like Mining, it will load a previously used profile, which may have custom prices set. I usually put in the date time to make sure I get new data.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Kettrina Malice
Chilastra Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2016.06.08 18:02:06 -
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That makes a lot of sense....wow. The website designers could have just given you a temporary session ID or something and used that as your profile. But to just create a profile that ANYONE can load and change, kind of weird. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12314
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Posted - 2016.06.08 18:49:18 -
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Buying PLEX for real money and selling for ISK will always have the best ISK/hour. I mean, really...who wants to work in a video game?!
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
387
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Posted - 2016.06.09 01:16:24 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Buying PLEX for real money and selling for ISK will always have the best ISK/hour. I mean, really...who wants to work in a video game?!
Now that PLEX has taken a big dive, I'm not so sure that's true any more. |
Zifrian
Distortion.
Amplified.
1727
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Posted - 2016.06.09 02:06:26 -
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Kettrina Malice wrote:Lugues Slive wrote:There is something off in your math.
From the link, mineral prices are;
Trit - 6.04
Pyerite - 9.61
Iso - 97.30
Now ignoring refine rate because you state they are the same;
Veld - 42.5 trit/m3 * 6.04 = 250.66 isk/m3
Omber - 13.33 trit * 6.04 + 1.67 pyerite * 9.61 + 1.42 iso * 97.30 = 234.856 isk/m3
Now of course your local market may be different.
Edit...
Considering you are consistently mining omber you are most likely in gallente or minmatar space. Both of these regions also have plag, which is currently the highest value high sec ore. But trying to get back on topic, I am trying to understand why Veldspar is the best, and not just because a website said so, or someone did math on per m3. I understand the processing per m3, the cycles though, I don't see myself mining the same m3 per cycle on different ore. So there is still another part to this equation. So I guess just answer this for me then please and I can do the rest. Are the mining yields per cycle supposed to be on average the same, because I assume they are ranges per cycle.
Ore profit depends on your skills and setup. Cele only gives you the raw values.
Use the mining tab in eve IPH in my signature and compare multiple options at once. I do the math for you. Make sure you update prices first.
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Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2016.06.09 05:29:51 -
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Kettrina Malice wrote:Lugues Slive wrote:There is something off in your math.
From the link, mineral prices are;
Trit - 6.04
Pyerite - 9.61
Iso - 97.30
Now ignoring refine rate because you state they are the same;
Veld - 42.5 trit/m3 * 6.04 = 250.66 isk/m3
Omber - 13.33 trit * 6.04 + 1.67 pyerite * 9.61 + 1.42 iso * 97.30 = 234.856 isk/m3
Now of course your local market may be different.
Edit...
Considering you are consistently mining omber you are most likely in gallente or minmatar space. Both of these regions also have plag, which is currently the highest value high sec ore. But trying to get back on topic, I am trying to understand why Veldspar is the best, and not just because a website said so, or someone did math on per m3. I understand the processing per m3, the cycles though, I don't see myself mining the same m3 per cycle on different ore. So there is still another part to this equation. So I guess just answer this for me then please and I can do the rest. Are the mining yields per cycle supposed to be on average the same, because I assume they are ranges per cycle.
- The size of a single unit of ore in m3 is different for each ore, so you will get different unit numbers in your hold and different unit numbers per cycle, but if the roid is large enough, the m3 will be the reliably the same per cycle. If the roid is smaller than 1 cycle, you'll get whatever was left. You can shorten the cycle if you know how much was left and start on the next roid. Usually best to shoot a different roid with each miner if you don't have a scanner fitted.
- the minerals contained for each unit of ore is all different, which is why we need cerlestes or a calculator to untangle the value.
- Cerlestes has live pricing, and its probably better at maths than you are. If your pricing is a lot worse than cerlestes you are selling in the wrong place.
- because the m3 /cycle is the same, I personally just set cerlestes to a jet can (27,500m3), since it takes same amount of time to fill a can with omber as it does plag, I've got an idea how long that is, and plag is worth 8.2m a can when I looked and omber 6.4. Another size people might set cerlestes to is 1m3, or the size of their barges ore hold is another.
- mining plag, I know a stationless dead end (went through there looking for sigs yesterday it now has a citadel that might help you even more), that has pretty much purely +10% roids that is ~4-5 jumps from dodixie, and those belts are not cleared every day, so you should get lots of large roids (roids grow at some or all downtimes to a max size over time). Since you have a freighter, you don't have a critical need to minimize your haul distance.
- lastly, plain omber and plain kernite used to have spot prices at certain storyline mission stations as a hand in that may exceed normal pricing by a wide margin - that probably still works, I just haven't run any missions in a few years. |
Cerlestes
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
99
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Posted - 2016.06.20 19:50:02 -
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Elenahina wrote:
It depends on the profile you "create". If you type in something common, like Mining, it will load a previously used profile, which may have custom prices set. I usually put in the date time to make sure I get new data.
Kettrina Malice wrote:That makes a lot of sense....wow. The website designers could have just given you a temporary session ID or something and used that as your profile. But to just create a profile that ANYONE can load and change, kind of weird.
It's not perfect for sure. But I'd have never imagined that people actually have problems with it 
Just use your character name for your profile and the problems are gone. It's implemented the way it is to allow people to easily share profiles. Hence no temp sessions or full user accounts. |
Oliver Ward
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
13
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Posted - 2016.06.20 20:20:16 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore
Just click to order by ISK.
Oh, wow. Scordite took a hit. It wasn't that long ago (or doesn't feel like that long ago) that it was the king of HS ores by a fair margin. |
Resnar Ash-carrier
Eternal Darkness.
Blades of Grass
7
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Posted - 2016.06.28 00:49:15 -
[38] - Quote
If that can help you : https://eveiph.github.io/ |
Rosov Aulmais
Fuxi Legion
Fraternity.
0
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Posted - 2016.06.28 01:12:18 -
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However, Kernite can be better if you are in a non-Amarr hi-sec because a lvl4 storyline mission requires 8000 kernite, and those kernite only spawn in anomalies If you are not in Amarr space. Back in Curse you don't even get kernite in anomalies, and kernite price goes up to 1200isk |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
159
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Posted - 2016.06.28 02:05:02 -
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I just mine belts...the whole thing.
--Hungry Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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