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Jack Target	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:28:00 - [1] I've just started this game and GoonSwarm-like tactics appeal (emphasis on attack sounds exciting). Question 1) Is there something better than GoonSwarm ideals? Question 2) If GoonSwarm is cool, what would be the best ship to aim for in the long-run? Nanophoon or vagabond sound good because you can attack quick and get out quick. All advice would be very much appreciated.
Sexorella hotz Beasts of Burden	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:36:00 - [2] Goonswarm tactic-Blob with so many pilots that the enemy cannot defend because the server can't handle the fight and then seige POS's, which is only fun for the dread pilots(sort of), not something you'll do for a long time.
Samirol Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:38:00 - [3] Edited by: Samirol on 01/03/2007 17:35:50 Originally by: Sexorella hotz Goonswarm tactic-Blob with so many pilots that the enemy cannot defend because the server can't handle the fight and then seige POS's, which is only fun for the dread pilots(sort of), not something you'll do for a long time. and im sure that LV would NEVER put tons of load on the servers Nanophoons and vagabonds are expensive to set up correctly. The very thing behind the goon's train of thought is cheap and disposable. tech 1 frigs are very useful in their gangs. http://www.iknowderek.com/
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:38:00 - [4] Generally a small ship with some ewar and ALOT of damage. Wait,goonswarm?Oh ok rookie ship then. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Cutie Chaser	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:41:00 - [5] Might be a question answered better by a direct inquiry to a Goon, but don't train with the idea of using Nanophoons, as they are going to be adjusted. If you want to be fast, I would suggest you fly minmatar. Vagabonds are a nice long-ranged plan, but in the short run I'd look at figuring out how to fly: Rifter - Fast T1 frigate, good for getting in quick, good for getting the idea of flying interceptors (nice fast ships) Stabber - The ship that the Vagabond is based off of. Train your navigation skills up nice and high (try to get them all to 4 for a good base). This will also get you able to use a Micro Warp Drive (MWD)
Sexorella hotz Beasts of Burden	Posted - 2007.03.01 17:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Samirol Edited by: Samirol on 01/03/2007 17:35:50 Originally by: Sexorella hotz Goonswarm tactic-Blob with so many pilots that the enemy cannot defend because the server can't handle the fight and then seige POS's, which is only fun for the dread pilots(sort of), not something you'll do for a long time. and im sure that LV would NEVER put tons of load on the servers So they should just bring 100 pilots when they know 1000 are coming? And god forbid they use carriers, I mean, wtf, why should those guys who dropped tons of money and skillpoints into flying a ship be at a battle determining the fate of their alliance...they should really just be bringing t1 frigs, duh. Nanophoons and vagabonds are expensive to set up correctly. The very thing behind the goon's train of thought is cheap and disposable. tech 1 frigs are very useful in their gangs.
Jack Target	Posted - 2007.03.01 18:09:00 - [7] Thank you all very much for your advice! I'm not so sure GoonSwarm is for me now! - I like the idea of progression - not sure if sticking with frigates appeals. Vagabond MIGHT be the way to go, but your answers have raised more questions, which I will ask on new threads. Once again, many thanks.
Lucifer Fellblade Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.01 18:13:00 - [8] Whatever they say goons don't just use frigates, they fly anything that can fit guns. ------
DiuxDium Loot	Posted - 2007.03.01 18:14:00 - [9] Edited by: DiuxDium on 01/03/2007 18:16:00 From personal experience. Celestis: Hi: Nothing Mid: 5x Damp I Low: Biggest plate you can fit with Eng I Blackbird: Hi: Nothing Mid: 6x Multi Low: 2x CPR Rifter: Hi: 3x AC I 1x Rocket Launcher Mid: MWD I, 2x SCram Low: What ever you can fit with Eng 1, Electronics 1. No seriously, back in syndicate this is all they would fight with. Each person would be a "bee" and their combined sting would eventually be able to take down a ship. I think they've just moved up to using more cruisers, and less frigates.
Jack Target	Posted - 2007.03.01 19:30:00 - [10] I suppose it demonstrates you can't easily make generalisations - even with one alliance. Everything is dynamic!
Samirol Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.01 19:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Sexorella hotz So they should just bring 100 pilots when they know 1000 are coming? And god forbid they use carriers, I mean, wtf, why should those guys who dropped tons of money and skillpoints into flying a ship be at a battle determining the fate of their alliance...they should really just be bringing t1 frigs, duh. no, both of them are responsible for crashing nodes, dont blame one side or the other http://www.iknowderek.com/
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.03.01 21:46:00 - [12] T1 frigs and cruisers are fabulous bang for your buck, especially if you fight in a long drawn out war. Nothing better then popping expensive T2 HACs and Command ships with a few Caracals. Anyways, IBTL
Hobbledehoy Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.01 21:57:00 - [13] best fleet ship i've seen from goonswarm is a tough call between bantam and incursus.... they love the incursus. haha (sorry, couldn't hold myself back) DISCLAIMER: I am not a pirate. I do not condone anti-pirate actions nor assistance of carebears. I am a proud supporter of the stop-carebears-from-greiving-our-wallets foundation.
Fi T'Zeh Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.01 22:06:00 - [14] I heard they use lots of f.o.f.o.f.o.f.o.f. missiles .... Playing EVE on easy mode since May 2003.
Deva Blackfire Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.01 22:10:00 - [15] Yes please, continue to believe goons=t1 frigs. You are waiting for a big surprise.
Ezra Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.01 23:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus T1 frigs and cruisers are fabulous bang for your buck, especially if you fight in a long drawn out war. Nothing better then popping expensive T2 HACs and Command ships with a few Caracals. I'm waiting for the day when an alliance starts using masses of sacrificial tacklers to maximize titan doomsday carnage. T1 frig with webber - a few hundred K ISK. Maybe 1-4mill for the pilot's clone. vs. far more than that in losses by whomever the tackler is tying down ------------ Ezra Cornell
Hobbledehoy Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.01 23:12:00 - [17] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Yes please, continue to believe goons=t1 frigs. You are waiting for a big surprise. Um I think I've seen their fleet enough... it's been camping our systems every day for the past month. About 75% of their fleet is always t1 cruiser or t1 frig. IBTL --- this is the most creative flame thread I've seen, but nevertheless I can't see it turning out any other way. DISCLAIMER: I am not a pirate. I do not condone anti-pirate actions nor assistance of carebears. I am a proud supporter of the stop-carebears-from-greiving-our-wallets foundation.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.01 23:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh I heard they use lots of f.o.f.o.f.o.f.o.f. missiles Only after a successfull suicide op ;) Anyway. Goon tactics are "lots of cheap stuff, fit cheaply for a specific purpose". They fly plenty of battleships and bigger ships nowadays, but you probably wont find many out on a roving op. They fly lots of EW, specifically blackbirds and celestises. And tackling frigates are always welcome. That being said. Unless you have the stomach to lose ships, the logisitical support to replace a ships and enough people to fly them, then the goonswarm way probably wont be for you. GS has some 3000 members and they activly purge inactives. On a smaller scale, a corp with less than 100 members even if they are all active would probably have a hard time making the goon strategy work for them. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Orion Phoenix Gallente Order or Darkness	Posted - 2007.03.02 02:51:00 - [19] So you are saying that one should train up to cruiser, then train for t2 goodies to pvp with?
Tarnish Katharr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.02 03:27:00 - [20] Edited by: Tarnish Katharr on 02/03/2007 03:25:54 Edited by: Tarnish Katharr on 02/03/2007 03:24:15 Originally by: DiuxDium Edited by: DiuxDium on 01/03/2007 18:16:55 From personal experience. Celestis: Hi: STD Launcher Mid: 5x Damp I Low: Biggest plate you can fit with Eng I Blackbird: Hi: Std Launcher Mid: 6x Multi Low: 2x CPR Rifter: Hi: 3x AC I 1x Rocket Launcher Mid: MWD I, 2x SCram Low: What ever you can fit with Eng 1, Electronics 1. No seriously, back in syndicate this is all they would fight with. Each person would be a "bee" and their combined sting would eventually be able to take down a ship. I think they've just moved up to using more cruisers, and less frigates. This is pretty accurate. Don't forget loads of NOS-Domi/Phoons sitting logged off waiting to warp into enemy dreads that came back to kill a reinforced POS during our prime-time.
EvilHauler9000	Posted - 2007.03.02 04:53:00 - [21] I've been butting heads with goons all week, and this is what I've seen: Nano-Nos-Domi's Vagabonds Anything that can fit sensor damps... LOTS T1 cruisers and frigs They have a tendency to fight with about 10x the number they'll be up against... I'm sometimes stuck in a station all day because they keep 10-15 people outside of it to keep me and a friend locked in. If you undock, they bump you off of the station and crucify you.
Tiberyya Za Gallente Bellum Aeternus The Makhai	Posted - 2007.03.02 07:40:00 - [22] Quote: GoonSwarm fleets tended to be [large], with 80-120 people being par for the course, but far lighter with the average GoonSwarm member bringing a cruiser fitted for sensor dampening or ECM, large numbers of tackling frigates and interceptors, but only 10-20 ships of the line. -- Eve Tribune Below is some evidence of their fleet composition. Frigates, blasterax, rupture, blackbird, battlecruisers, apoc', domi', 'geddon, megathron, interceptors, various other tech 2 ships. http://killboard.eve-extra.com/show_corp.php?id=8570 http://www.podbase.com/index.dxd?id=goon&type=0&victim=1 http://eve.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=alliance&name=GoonSwarm
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.02 08:51:00 - [23] Edited by: Valandril on 02/03/2007 08:48:00 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Yes please, continue to believe goons=t1 frigs. You are waiting for a big surprise. /me taks a peek at kb from last spanking goonies... punisher, incursus, stabber, merlin, vigil, rifter, raptor, punisher, raptor, crusader, tristan, another rifter. Sure goon's don't use t1 fringates :] Edit look at my last kill lol :P --------
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.03.02 09:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 02/03/2007 08:48:00 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Yes please, continue to believe goons=t1 frigs. You are waiting for a big surprise. /me taks a peek at kb from last spanking goonies... punisher, incursus, stabber, merlin, vigil, rifter, raptor, punisher, raptor, crusader, tristan, another rifter. Sure goon's don't use t1 fringates :] Edit look at my last kill lol :P There is a difference between some Goons flying tech 1 frigs and Goons = tech 1 frigs. Perhaps you should learn the subtle difference between teh two. And on a side note, the more you ridicule them for being noobs, the more your demise is going to look sad when you type out your surrender letter on the COAD forums. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated	Posted - 2007.03.02 09:33:00 - [25] Noobs or not, 1000 t1 frigs > 100 bs. I had a fun fight with goonies once in my ruppie with a couple of BC mates. Took their 20 or so pilots so long to kill my ruppie that my gangmates took out 2 recons and then warped off. Nuff said. On the other hand there are a few good experienced pilots in there. I think. IBTL sgb
Valandril Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.02 09:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Valandril Edited by: Valandril on 02/03/2007 08:48:00 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Yes please, continue to believe goons=t1 frigs. You are waiting for a big surprise. /me taks a peek at kb from last spanking goonies... punisher, incursus, stabber, merlin, vigil, rifter, raptor, punisher, raptor, crusader, tristan, another rifter. Sure goon's don't use t1 fringates :] Edit look at my last kill lol :P There is a difference between some Goons flying tech 1 frigs and Goons = tech 1 frigs. Perhaps you should learn the subtle difference between teh two. And on a side note, the more you ridicule them for being noobs, the more your demise is going to look sad when you type out your surrender letter on the COAD forums. "Some goons flying tech 1 frigs", did u ever fight goonies ? Most of theyr gang are frigs, frigs and one again frigs. About surrender post, first kill me then i will type surrender post. --------
Jack Target	Posted - 2007.03.02 16:27:00 - [27] Thank you all very much for your overwhelming response. As I've just started to fly frigates I hope to check out GoonSwarm at some point - sounds like good experience! Also, I hear they train beginners at PvP. Sounds promising. Of course, they also have a reputation that might look bad on my record - not sure if I could join BoB right after that
Raivi Explosion Matrix	Posted - 2007.03.02 17:20:00 - [28] Edited by: Raivi on 02/03/2007 17:24:44 I'd recommend you join EvE University for training. They are a corp set up to train new players in all aspects of the game by some experienced players who want to give back to the community. The Uni is the best place in this game for new players to learn the basics and have a great time. (Frigate free-for-alls are awesome) One thing you should know is that Goonfleet does not recruit from the EvE community. They are a group that came to this game from a different community all together (somethingawful) and they only accept members from their own group outside of EvE. (With a few exceptions coughHippokingcough) The goons are their own special type of person. When you get down to it, they are at their core bad bad people. I say that with great endearment as I wouldn't have them any other way. Drop by somethingawful.com to get a taste of their sense of humor. ----------------------------------------- Explosion Matrix: Our Name Makes No Sense
Radhe Caldari PaxLuce AbjectioNati Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.02 19:16:00 - [29] I got a good ideea to find what ships are goonswarm are flying.....go around theyr homesystems..u might have a surprise!!!! And first rule of combat....don`t ever underestimate your oponent!!!!! _______________________________________________ Allways watch ur back...the CURSE is comeing...

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