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Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.01 23:02:00 - [1] Is there any particular reason that the Claw has 20% less base targetting range than EVERY OTHER INTERCEPTOR? I think its stupid that you can't even target a BS without being inside NOS range, even with long range targetting V. Every other race has a 1 inty that targets to 20km and one that targets 22.5km+. Hell the crow has a base of 30km! Anyway, give me more targetting range :( -Wylker
Tiuwaz Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.01 23:08:00 - [2] Targetting range is one of those areas where minni ships really loose out and yes 20 km sucks bad, there is no need to even bother with t2 disruptors ___________________________________
Shaemell Buttleson Darwin With Attitude	Posted - 2007.03.01 23:10:00 - [3] I agree with you 100%. No point in fitting howies and using tremor allthough they are nice with the other ammo types. There is also no point in using a T2 or faction disruptor either. I can live with it having 2 midslots (allthough i'd like another one) but 21km locking range is utterly crap!
Ratey	Posted - 2007.03.01 23:45:00 - [4] Agree, 17 base and 21km with max skills is useless. To stay out of BS Nos range, I have to use up low slots for signal amp and CPU mod. This forces you to fit expensive rigs, and makes the risk of tackling too high.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.03.02 00:00:00 - [5] Plus, it's too frickin' heavy! Why do the Minmatar get the most massive interceptors of all the races - by 20% or more! High mass limits MWD-boosted top speed. It's really a "light assault frigate." -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Nir The Doldrums	Posted - 2007.03.02 00:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Ratey To stay out of BS Nos range, I have to use up low slots for signal amp and CPU mod. Minmatards have a distinct balance in their Interceptors. One is an out and out dog fighter the other a pure tackler. If you're trying to tackle big things with the dog fighter, maybe you're doing something wrong.
Arian Snow The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.02 00:41:00 - [7] Edited by: Arian Snow on 02/03/2007 00:42:26 Yeah the targeting range sucks monkey balls... The Claw is an up close and personal kind O' ceptor. It does deal impressive damage to its targets and in groups its pretty nice as Tiuwaz can testify. It would be nice with a better targeting range so that arties would be more viable on it... and obviously T2 disrupters. OH and... when tackling and stuff a 20km lockrange can quickly cause you to loose your targetlock, that's the main problem for me! I think that a Nos nerf is incomming, and that the Claw will become an even more viable ceptor. I dont really mind its current state... I like its pricetag. Due to the horrible broken T2 market its about one third of a crow. And we do have the Stiletto, though I think that one is too slow. I dont remember I dont recall I dont have memory of anything at all!
OBI WAN Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.02 00:46:00 - [8] Sure, there might a very distinct difference between the Minmatar interceptors, but is it fair that Gallente or Caldari can have both tackler and dogfighter in the same interceptor, where as Minmatar have to trade off either damage or tackling ability to fill one role? And please don't start yapping about how 4 mid slots is fantastic for tackling, ever since the WCS nerf, no one fits stabs anymore unless they're fitting 4+ on a hauler or travel setup, which is impossible to catch even with 2 x 7.5 scramblers. Sensor boosters can be nice for catching little ships at the gate, but... an interdictor is far better for such a task. Outclassed at every turn I'm afraid. __________________________________________ Originally by: n sx Death to you and your sugar coated empire.
xHomicide Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Plus, it's too frickin' heavy! Why do the Minmatar get the most massive interceptors of all the races - by 20% or more! High mass limits MWD-boosted top speed. It's really a "light assault frigate." except claw is still the fastest ceptor, even at MWD speeds. --- Razor CEI
Brisi Veto.	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:58:00 - [10] Originally by: xHomicide Originally by: Guillame Herschel Plus, it's too frickin' heavy! Why do the Minmatar get the most massive interceptors of all the races - by 20% or more! High mass limits MWD-boosted top speed. It's really a "light assault frigate." except claw is still the fastest ceptor, even at MWD speeds. IIRC the crusader is actually the fastest ceptor with an mwd on. Resistance is Fertile.

Hank Showbo	Posted - 2007.03.05 15:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Brisi Originally by: xHomicide Originally by: Guillame Herschel Plus, it's too frickin' heavy! Why do the Minmatar get the most massive interceptors of all the races - by 20% or more! High mass limits MWD-boosted top speed. It's really a "light assault frigate." except claw is still the fastest ceptor, even at MWD speeds. IIRC the crusader is actually the fastest ceptor with an mwd on. This guy speaks truth :) I was pretty annoyed when I found that out tbh, its completely against Minmatar tbh...'oh BTW, the fastest ships in the games..intys..yea you know...Minmatar dont get the fastest one tbh'. It also makes no sense about the mass thing....look at the claw/stilleto ffs, its made from Fiat Pandas and Vauxhall Novas, just a tad pimped like a chavved up Peugeot 206. Compare that to the Crusaders toughish armor and solid look, compare it to the taranis and crow.....Claw/Stiletto look like they should have the smallest mass tbh. BTW I think the targeting range being small is because the scan resolution is so high.
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.06 19:12:00 - [12] Look ma! I'm bumping my own thread! -Wylker
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.06 19:35:00 - [13] 21km? Christ, that is a tad silly :/ Still, every race has an average ship class (except gallente), inties are Minmatars.
Ghostshadow Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.03.06 20:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Hank Showbo Originally by: Brisi Originally by: xHomicide Originally by: Guillame Herschel Plus, it's too frickin' heavy! Why do the Minmatar get the most massive interceptors of all the races - by 20% or more! High mass limits MWD-boosted top speed. It's really a "light assault frigate." except claw is still the fastest ceptor, even at MWD speeds. IIRC the crusader is actually the fastest ceptor with an mwd on. It also makes no sense about the mass thing....look at the claw/stilleto ffs, its made from Fiat Pandas and Vauxhall Novas, just a tad pimped like a chavved up Peugeot 206. Compare that to the Crusaders toughish armor and solid look, compare it to the taranis and crow.....Claw/Stiletto look like they should have the smallest mass tbh. Thats because the minmatar one is made of of scrapmetal steel/iron, which is very heavy. And Amarr/Caldari uses hi-tech carbonfibers wich can be just as strong as some steel and a hell of a lot lighter ____________________________________________ A * B = C A = Skill Points B = GPA C = a Constant. Guess what happens to B as A increases.
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.07 01:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Ghostshadow Thats because the minmatar one is made of of scrapmetal steel/iron, which is very heavy. And Amarr/Caldari uses hi-tech carbonfibers wich can be just as strong as some steel and a hell of a lot lighter No way, my minnie ships are made of melted aluminum cans and bailing wire. ALL ALUMINUM DUH :P -Wylker
Maeltstome	Posted - 2007.03.07 05:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Hank Showbo Originally by: Brisi Originally by: xHomicide Originally by: Guillame Herschel Plus, it's too frickin' heavy! Why do the Minmatar get the most massive interceptors of all the races - by 20% or more! High mass limits MWD-boosted top speed. It's really a "light assault frigate." except claw is still the fastest ceptor, even at MWD speeds. IIRC the crusader is actually the fastest ceptor with an mwd on. This guy speaks truth :) I was pretty annoyed when I found that out tbh, its completely against Minmatar tbh...'oh BTW, the fastest ships in the games..intys..yea you know...Minmatar dont get the fastest one tbh'. It also makes no sense about the mass thing....look at the claw/stilleto ffs, its made from Fiat Pandas and Vauxhall Novas, just a tad pimped like a chavved up Peugeot 206. Compare that to the Crusaders toughish armor and solid look, compare it to the taranis and crow.....Claw/Stiletto look like they should have the smallest mass tbh. BTW I think the targeting range being small is because the scan resolution is so high. BUZZZZ - wrong ladies Since the inertia change, the claw is the fastest ceptor, and no combination of speed mods to get the FASTEST possible sader setup will be faster than a claw with the same setup. BTW the stiletto turns me on for tackling, but unless you've flown a jaeger bomb against an assault frigate, dont diss the claw's power :) P.S I think the tracking bonus is useless as far as inty bonus goes, since you can't use arties to get the benfit. I'd rather have 5% falloff to really punish slower blaster ceptors at 8-9 k/m personally...


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