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Saria Mysdrial Amarr AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.03.03 04:47:00 - [31] I'd especially like them to scale. So, if the frigates are, say, hotwheels-sized, the Titans would.... Not fit in my house. Damn. Sad, but true.
Doppleganger Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.03 05:27:00 - [32] Building a plastic model would be easy enough but time consuming. As my job is an industrial model builder I can comment that building any of the models could be done easy. I just dont think anyone would want to pay for the man hrs to make the parts not counting a fully assembled model. While someone made reference to SLA in an earlier post, the cost of this type of model building while it has dropped alot it would still be out of the price range that most ppl would want to pay. The only lower cost alternatives are FDM which is still awful spendy for the casual consumer and the lowest cost would be Plastic injection molding or Reaction Injection Molding. For either of those 2 methods though there needs to be a big enough buying market to offset the cost of building molds and running them. Not the 1st time this subject has been brought up in the 4 yrs i have been playing eve. I'm sure if they have found a big enough market to offset costs at low enough prices to sell them they would have done it by now. Hell if I thought there was a big enough buying market to make it cost effective I would have contacted CCP about a contract to make models for them. If Eve's subscription lvl goes over 4 mil subs maybe. If CCP will let me Im up for building any eve ship models for ppl if they dont mind paying around 3 figures (US$)for said model (and no thats not counting decimal points and not painted)
magnus amadeus Amarr Obliteration Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.03 05:40:00 - [33] All minmatar ships would need to come with tetanus shots incase of infection from the rust Amarr ships could come with a bible and whip Gallente ships with a ****o and syringe Caldari ships would come with a gun :) _________________________________________________ Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you down with experience.
Tolarus Aonyma Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.03 05:45:00 - [34] Edited by: Tolarus on 03/03/2007 05:42:18 Im too old and busy to try to build them myself. Now some nice injection molded ships that looked as good as the ones in those CGI wallpapers would be perfect, but they would have to be bath tub friendly. meh even if we had to build them ourselves I would most likely end up buying some
Ty'lin Krennath Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.03.03 09:13:00 - [35] TBH, modern small scale 3D CAD/CAM machines would make it possible to build the full range of ships even for a limited market with minimal expense providing the EVE models can be converted in a usable 3d format.
Elrinarie Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.03 09:18:00 - [36] god someone make me a nice shiny metallic myrmidon model out of pewter :p Creator of another Mining Calculator
Frederick Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.03 09:32:00 - [37] My understanding is that CCP did look into the possibilities of producing ships. They even went so far as to manufacture three prototype Brutix models, one of which served as first prize in the first EVE-Fests' PvP tourney. There should be some screenies around somewhere but I have no idea where. Regardless, the final conclusion was that the development and production costs would outweigh estimated sales. Maybe they'll revisit the idea if we get a bigger subscriber base or if their plans to branch to other markets succeed.
The Squirrell Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.03 10:38:00 - [38] Perhaps they should announce their willingness to look into it again and ask the community for ideas, we've got at least one actual model maker in this thread, I'm sure a few more useful people would come out of the woodwork and make it viable. Or, hell, even announce they are willing to give people a non-exclusive licence to produce them subject to terms and conditions and providing they can submit a scheme to CCP that can be seen to have a chance of working.
Smiffa Gallente Perpetual Dawn Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.03.03 10:56:00 - [39] Originally by: The Squirrell Perhaps they should announce their willingness to look into it again and ask the community for ideas, we've got at least one actual model maker in this thread, I'm sure a few more useful people would come out of the woodwork and make it viable. Or, hell, even announce they are willing to give people a non-exclusive licence to produce them subject to terms and conditions and providing they can submit a scheme to CCP that can be seen to have a chance of working. I'd be more than willing! Time's a bit tight at the moment, but a decent project and some deadlines is never unwelcome
The Squirrell Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.03 11:34:00 - [40] My personal opinion is that with the spread of low-cost rapid prototyping machines CCP could easily pull it off, or a relatively rich EVE player. Google Solidimension, they make a plastic model creating machine that is small enough and fast enough for the kind of market we're looking at, hell, it even accepts 3ds format 3d models. The main problem with these machines is people don't have the expertise to make the models, but CCP already has those. After that it's a simple matter of hitting the 'create' button. That company makes a desktop machine and kit for $30,000, beyond most of us, but I'm sure CCP could afford to invest in that. Or a bank of them when demand goes up. Hell, if I ever save the money, I plan on buying one and feeding it my 3ds format models. That said, community based initiatives aren't to be sniffed at either, Smiffa has awesome paper models, I guess it's a matter of who has what technology/machines or access to them, and what modelling format people think is best.

Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.03.04 01:02:00 - [41] I've actually done some work in the scale model industry, and deal with a number of folks pretty regularly, so let me put in a few bits of info here for you guys to chew on and consider. First is that these are some really hot looking ships that are better than most subjects that Sci-Fi modellers are used to seeing. If they did get produced, they would be rated with the Machinen Kreiger/SF3D in regards to how non-EVE folks would respond. The Sci-Fi modelling world could really use something with intellectual property this nice to revigorate it. But I also doubt it would ever happen. My guess, if we see anything at all, it will probably be small 2-4" long pre-painted ships with pretty soft details. Very similar to the "Micro Machines" that were done of Star-Wars subjects. These can probably be done fairly cheaply in plastic, but will be pretty gimmicky, bloated looking, and dissapointing. But the price will be low enough that it will be affordable to most potential customers and CCP wouldn't be risking much real-world iskies to produce them. Most likely you will never see a plastic injection model kits of Eve ships, or at least not GOOD ones. Complex plastic molds like those in quality styrene models are just really expensive. The molds themselves will cost well over a hundred thousand dollars PER SHIP if they are done to a good modern standard. Then there would be the materials and labor costs to do a good sized run of the plastic, which would cost about as much as the molds themselves. I just don't see enough demand to sell 50,000 kits at $35 each to make them profitable. (Which, also, is why the previously mentioned SF3D stuff has put 2 companies out of business making it.) Rapid Prototyping just isn't viable for production of much of anything right now. There are a few very talented folks using it to create initial masters, which are then duplicated via traditional methods. But making and selling things purely by rapid prototyping machines.... the cost will be excrutiating and the materials produced wouldn't be durable enough. There are only two ways you're going to see any decent sized kits produced that are viable finanically. One is the existing paper kits, which I really keep meaning to look into as they look very nicely done. And don't knock card models, I've seen some amazing stuff done in cardstock. I just haven't had the time to do one yet myself. Card modelling is mostly a European hobby, it's never taken off here in the US or in Asia that I know of. The other possibility would be a cast resin/white metal kit. The startup costs for producing a kit, after a good master is built, would only be a couple hundred dollars. But the production is slower and materials more expensive, so expect $75-150 kits if you want them in larger sizes. And resin is also more time consuming to build the kits, which would reduce the potential customer base. I've thought about doing some scratch built kits to master for resin production, but I wouldn't consider it without CCP's blessing, and I probably couldn't afford the licensing fee's. Looking at the various races, Caldari would be easiet for me to build, as I'm used to doing flat angular shapes. The Rounded and organic looks of the Gallente and Amarr would also be fairly easy, but may come out looking a bit off if I get the curves wrong. Minmatar... gives me nightmares thinking about them. More than half Minmatar ships are just too complex and frail, some I don't think could be put into production as kits in any form. The Breacher, Reaper and Tempest you can rule out totally. The Typhoon, Slasher, Scythe, Probe, Cyclone would all be very difficult kits to do without serious compromise.
Kaia Kua Macabre Votum Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.04 01:53:00 - [42] If CCP was going to make some models i would like them all scaled, and made from the metal that they would represent in game, i.e. Mini looks copper like, Gallante looks Aluminum etc. I think making them a limited time models, so you can only by a certain model within a certain time frame (few months) before they release the next few models. pre-ordering would give ccp a very good idea which models would be worthwhile to make more of. and if people want to buy more after the sale dates are closed ccp know they are onto a winner ship. but i think its important that any models would be scaled together, i wouldn't want a Taranis the same size as a Archon Originally by: CCP Wrangler ... we are not making things easier simply because people complain, though constructive criticism does have an effect, simply saying "I don't like this" doesn't.
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.03.04 02:57:00 - [43] Edited by: Siege on 04/03/2007 02:55:27 Edited by: Siege on 04/03/2007 02:54:46 Originally by: Kaia Kua If CCP was going to make some models i would like them all scaled, and made from the metal that they would represent in game, i.e. Mini looks copper like, Gallante looks Aluminum etc. I think making them a limited time models, so you can only by a certain model within a certain time frame (few months) before they release the next few models. pre-ordering would give ccp a very good idea which models would be worthwhile to make more of. and if people want to buy more after the sale dates are closed ccp know they are onto a winner ship. but i think its important that any models would be scaled together, i wouldn't want a Taranis the same size as a Archon However, I hope you do realize that if you scale them together and cover all the ship classes.... some will be the size of a raisin and others the size of a watermelon. That's a LOT of pewter.
Chereadenine Zakalwe VENOM72 Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 03:26:00 - [44] would love to have that scale poc sat on my desk,would happily "show my geekiness with pride" if i could! Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
KewelGuy The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 07:36:00 - [45] I would really like a model of the Ishtar
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.04 08:50:00 - [46] A bronze cast Cyclone would be pretty sweet .. or a stabber :)
Soy Grande STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.04 10:15:00 - [47] Originally by: Siege I've actually done some work in the scale model industry, and deal with a number of folks pretty regularly, so let me put in a few bits of info here for you guys to chew on and consider. First is that these are some really hot looking ships that are better than most subjects that Sci-Fi modellers are used to seeing. If they did get produced, they would be rated with the Machinen Kreiger/SF3D in regards to how non-EVE folks would respond. The Sci-Fi modelling world could really use something with intellectual property this nice to revigorate it. But I also doubt it would ever happen. My guess, if we see anything at all, it will probably be small 2-4" long pre-painted ships with pretty soft details. Very similar to the "Micro Machines" that were done of Star-Wars subjects. These can probably be done fairly cheaply in plastic, but will be pretty gimmicky, bloated looking, and dissapointing. But the price will be low enough that it will be affordable to most potential customers and CCP wouldn't be risking much real-world iskies to produce them. Most likely you will never see a plastic injection model kits of Eve ships, or at least not GOOD ones. Complex plastic molds like those in quality styrene models are just really expensive. The molds themselves will cost well over a hundred thousand dollars PER SHIP if they are done to a good modern standard. Then there would be the materials and labor costs to do a good sized run of the plastic, which would cost about as much as the molds themselves. I just don't see enough demand to sell 50,000 kits at $35 each to make them profitable. (Which, also, is why the previously mentioned SF3D stuff has put 2 companies out of business making it.) Rapid Prototyping just isn't viable for production of much of anything right now. There are a few very talented folks using it to create initial masters, which are then duplicated via traditional methods. But making and selling things purely by rapid prototyping machines.... the cost will be excrutiating and the materials produced wouldn't be durable enough. There are only two ways you're going to see any decent sized kits produced that are viable finanically. One is the existing paper kits, which I really keep meaning to look into as they look very nicely done. And don't knock card models, I've seen some amazing stuff done in cardstock. I just haven't had the time to do one yet myself. Card modelling is mostly a European hobby, it's never taken off here in the US or in Asia that I know of. The other possibility would be a cast resin/white metal kit. The startup costs for producing a kit, after a good master is built, would only be a couple hundred dollars. But the production is slower and materials more expensive, so expect $75-150 kits if you want them in larger sizes. And resin is also more time consuming to build the kits, which would reduce the potential customer base. I've thought about doing some scratch built kits to master for resin production, but I wouldn't consider it without CCP's blessing, and I probably couldn't afford the licensing fee's. Looking at the various races, Caldari would be easiet for me to build, as I'm used to doing flat angular shapes. The Rounded and organic looks of the Gallente and Amarr would also be fairly easy, but may come out looking a bit off if I get the curves wrong. Minmatar... gives me nightmares thinking about them. More than half Minmatar ships are just too complex and frail, some I don't think could be put into production as kits in any form. The Breacher, Reaper and Tempest you can rule out totally. The Typhoon, Slasher, Scythe, Probe, Cyclone would all be very difficult kits to do without serious compromise. 75-150 dollars I would be willing to shell out, or a limited time deal where you can only buy one for a few months is a good idea too "The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving on." -Ulysses S. Grant
Derelyk Win Tech	Posted - 2007.03.04 11:15:00 - [48] monsters in motion would probably do this. they make small run models of just about everything horror & sci fi. examples.. Bladerunners pistol another view of bladerunners m2019 Wave disrupter monsters in motion has alot of cheesy stuff, but also some amazing models too. ...
Abavus Durden Caldari Pukin' Dogs	Posted - 2007.03.04 13:52:00 - [49] Just because I didn't see anyone else mention it... there was an article in EON #1 about model ships. They had pics of an unpainted Brutix that looked like SLA or FDM. CCP later said it was too darned expensive to make 'em and so they never hit the CCP Store shelves. I thought that the existing models were given away at the first Fanfest but could be wrong. It's now been a couple of years, so hopefully someone at CCP is watching the technology closely. In particular, new SLA resins have popped up recently that are a LOT better and much less fragile. --
Doomed Predator The Phoenix Rising Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.04 14:13:00 - [50] Would love to have a Phoenix or Drake or maybe a Rokh.

Erim Solfara Amarr Tarlos INC	Posted - 2007.03.04 15:56:00 - [51] A plastic the same as that which all aeroplane models, plastic warhammer models and suchlike are made out of. Something that's easily remodellable, paintable in any colour you like. and CHEAP... Metal casts would cost too much. New ship class
Ben Booley Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.04 16:59:00 - [52] Erim, the molds to make that kind of plastic model were discussed above, with each one being in the $100k range. White metal / resin is just as easy to paint, but the molds cost quite a bit less.
DDaisy VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.04 17:15:00 - [53] Originally by: Garrack Absolutely would love a Raven, Drake, Apoc, Hawk, Kestral... all kinds of stuff. Just get a shinguard and paint it silver with a few matchsticks and stuff on it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "In the wake of DDaisy's Megathron"
Inquis Eisenhorn Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 18:04:00 - [54] GAMES WORKSHOP! A ships a fool to fight a station
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.03.04 19:15:00 - [55] Argh, I wish I was in my new house already and had my BIG workbench put together again. I think after I move and get my workshop back and running, I'll have to see what I can do. I wonder if CCP would be able to send me some 5-view drawings or something.
Ominus Decre The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.04 20:35:00 - [56] Originally by: Doppleganger If CCP will let me Im up for building any eve ship models for ppl if they dont mind paying around 3 figures (US$)for said model (and no thats not counting decimal points and not painted) That's a fair estimate. Pending dimensions a pourable model can easily be priced around 90-150 USD. Painting and additional "bells and whistles" (fiber optices) would obviously rake up the cost. Perversion:
Ominus Decre The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.04 20:35:00 - [57] Originally by: Doppleganger If CCP will let me Im up for building any eve ship models for ppl if they dont mind paying around 3 figures (US$)for said model (and no thats not counting decimal points and not painted) That's a fair estimate. Pending dimensions a pourable model can easily be priced around 90-150 USD. Painting and additional "bells and whistles" (fiber optices) would obviously rake up the cost. Perversion:
Soy Grande STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.05 01:57:00 - [58] Originally by: Ominus Decre Originally by: Doppleganger If CCP will let me Im up for building any eve ship models for ppl if they dont mind paying around 3 figures (US$)for said model (and no thats not counting decimal points and not painted) That's a fair estimate. Pending dimensions a pourable model can easily be priced around 90-150 USD. Painting and additional "bells and whistles" (fiber optices) would obviously rake up the cost. Id be willing to pay that too, anyone else on here willing to shell out about a hundred for one? "The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike him as hard as you can, and keep moving on." -Ulysses S. Grant
Crydawner	Posted - 2007.03.05 02:05:00 - [59] for amarr you can buy a sex toy and paint it gold, for minmatar you can put some rusty metal on the desk, for gallente an onion with lots of tiny onions around it and caldari a block of metal with a red stripe painted round it. seriously, i think some of the ships look ace, i'd love a model Hawk on my desk :D
Kaalen Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.03.05 02:08:00 - [60] I would buy a high quality model, but for that amount of money I'm not sure I'd ever be able to decide which ship I'd want!



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