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Asimov Andies Gallente Red Blade Industries	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:19:00 - [1] What classifies a farmer, and what can we do to get rid of them? My description as of now is Farmer: Anyone who mines, rats, runs missions, in a newb corp flying anything bigger than a t1 tier 1 cruiser. Is that wrong of me to think that? -=#=- Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Targoviste Originally by: High Sierra note to self - don't ever provide ANYONE with quoteable material EVER AGAIN.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.02 22:57:00 - [2] Originally by: Asimov Andies What classifies a farmer, and what can we do to get rid of them? My description as of now is Farmer: Anyone who mines, rats, runs missions, in a newb corp flying anything bigger than a t1 tier 1 cruiser. Is that wrong of me to think that? You're overlapping farmer and loser. Add in that this is all they do with their play time and you have a farmer. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:01:00 - [3] Ability to go without sleep and be active 23/7 !! And you cant get rid of them. You can petition the most obvious cases of farming in the game and CCP will flip you the bird. ( Hi Loes system)
Asimov Andies Gallente Red Blade Industries	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:02:00 - [4] darn, I hate always seeing stripped belts. -=#=- Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Targoviste Originally by: High Sierra note to self - don't ever provide ANYONE with quoteable material EVER AGAIN.
Marlenus Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:06:00 - [5] I fear this may be a troll thread. But just in case it isn't: "Farmer" is a well-understood term in MMORPGs that goes back to long before Eve. It's typically defined as a "player" who does something repeatedly ("farms") for an in-game reward in order to sell it for real money. Sometimes you'll hear the useage without a real-money-transfer connotation, as in "I'm going to go to East Karana and farm lions for pelts to get my tailoring up." In EVE, "farmer" almost always means "somebody who's mining or running missions / complexes in order to sell the ISK for cash." We also have the non-RMT useage: "Soandso Corp likes to farm that complex for the implant drops." By definition, you can never know for sure if someone is a farmer, the most you can do is have a suspicion. ------------------ Ironfleet.com Proposal: Automated Ore Return Vehicles
Snake Doctor Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:13:00 - [6] I think you may be slightly out of line with that---- A farmer isn't someone in a noob corp... Maybe they don't want to be wardecced? A farmer is a person that, in concert with others or alone, runs ops or macros 23 hours a day 7 days a week with the sole purpose of making isk to sell as cash. Has nothign to do with corp, ship type, etc.
Asimov Andies Gallente Red Blade Industries	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:20:00 - [7] well I think it is just wrong then to allow people in noob corps to be able to use something like a covetor or hulk. That means if they are striping a system, there is no way short of suicide missions for my corp to keep them from doing so. We are tired of moving systems do to these guys, so I was just asking if there is any way to stop this. It is a broken mechanic of the game in my opinion and that needs to stop. -=#=- Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Targoviste Originally by: High Sierra note to self - don't ever provide ANYONE with quoteable material EVER AGAIN.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Asimov Andies well I think it is just wrong then to allow people in noob corps to be able to use something like a covetor or hulk. That means if they are striping a system, there is no way short of suicide missions for my corp to keep them from doing so. We are tired of moving systems do to these guys, so I was just asking if there is any way to stop this. It is a broken mechanic of the game in my opinion and that needs to stop. /signed -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Asimov Andies Gallente Red Blade Industries	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:28:00 - [9] Originally by: Crumplecorn /signed It is good to know someone agrees with me. -=#=- Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Targoviste Originally by: High Sierra note to self - don't ever provide ANYONE with quoteable material EVER AGAIN.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Asimov Andies Originally by: Crumplecorn /signed It is good to know someone agrees with me. Yeah, but we're both going to be flamed into oblivion for it if this thread doesn't stay below the radar. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Asimov Andies Gallente Red Blade Industries	Posted - 2007.03.02 23:31:00 - [11] flame away, but we know that they really have hulk newbie corp mining alts. -=#=- Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Targoviste Originally by: High Sierra note to self - don't ever provide ANYONE with quoteable material EVER AGAIN.
Snake Doctor Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Asimov Andies flame away, but we know that they really have hulk newbie corp mining alts. if it's such a problem for you, why dont you try to recruit them? i am for personal war decs, but that's just me...
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Snake Doctor i am for personal war decs, but that's just me... Hey, I'll /sign that too, could be cool. Of course, could also be used as a cheap way to stalk and grief an individual in the game in such a way that their friends cannot easily help them. -------------------- Verone for President of EVE
Audri Fisher Caldari The Keep THE R0CK	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Asimov Andies What classifies a farmer, and what can we do to get rid of them? My description as of now is Farmer: Anyone who mines, rats, runs missions, in a newb corp flying anything bigger than a t1 tier 1 cruiser. Is that wrong of me to think that? Anyone who runs kill missions in an osprey needs to be shot tbh.
Nir The Doldrums	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:15:00 - [15] Edited by: Nir on 03/03/2007 00:14:07 Well I guess in EVE the word "farmer" gets mixed up with ISK Reseller. Most of those mining barge teams you see everywhere now a days are not macro's. Some are sweatshop workers from third world countries, others are more privately run home based operations. Some of the ISK generated goes towards 0.0 alliances but I bet most of it disappears into the RMT world. In my experience CCP can do absolutely nothing about farmers themselves, I don't think sweatshop type game play is against the EULA since there is an actual person driving the mining barge or Drake/Raven. I guess all they can do is 'flag' the ISK generated by these people as potential RMT and see where it ends up. The only real way to solve this is to put limits on what ships you can fly in NPC corporations, just like they did with skillbooks. Of course this will infringe on some real players play styles but thats a small price to pay in my opinion.
Jesters Knight Eclipse Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:23:00 - [16] Edited by: Jesters Knight on 03/03/2007 00:19:47 Originally by: Snake Doctor Originally by: Asimov Andies flame away, but we know that they really have hulk newbie corp mining alts. if it's such a problem for you, why dont you try to recruit them? i am for personal war decs, but that's just me... cant recruit someoen who is a macroer in a newb corp to avoid gettign war-deced. they say no, as that would defeat there pourpose in life. yea, im all about the personal war decs. it would make things easyer to kill that one guy that really ***ed you off without worrying about making the rest of the corp mad. Ingame website to help management (+)+(^) = ^+
Asimov Andies Gallente Red Blade Industries	Posted - 2007.03.03 00:46:00 - [17] All I wish to really see is for them to say "You can't fly anything larger than a T1 cruiser if you are in a newbie corp" or "You can now target individuals for War Decs." That would make me very happy, as I could target the farmers in my system. They are good for free ore though. Pop in with my iteron V that can hold a jetcan and empty it as I warp away. But that is besides the point, I want a way to be able to stop this from happening. -=#=- Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Targoviste Originally by: High Sierra note to self - don't ever provide ANYONE with quoteable material EVER AGAIN.
KMPD	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Nir Edited by: Nir on 03/03/2007 00:14:07 The only real way to solve this is to put limits on what ships you can fly in NPC corporations, just like they did with skillbooks. Of course this will infringe on some real players play styles but thats a small price to pay in my opinion. That are no skills that cannot be trained in NPC corps, there are skills that cannot be trained on trail accounts however. The big problem with limiting that ships you can fly in a NPC corp is what happens if you are away from a station that sells ships and you get kicked form your corp you are trapped. If you stopped the farmers mining in barges they will just go back to battleships, stop battleships they will use cruisers or they will create a new corp evey time they receive a war dec so they will still be untouchable. All this does is hurt real players. I hate the isk farmers as much as the next miner. However I have been in the situration with my main were the corp was disbanded while he was in a station with only his barge and no other ships for sale with in 2 jumps, if you had your way I would have been unable to leave the station, effectively stopping me playing the game. I have managed to stop them stripping my home system for know by letting them do the mining for me, then all I have to do was the hauling after applying to the correct permit. Rememeber the true isk farmers have quoters to reach per hour if they don't make it they get into trouble, so if they cannot make there isk in one system they relocate. CCP have stated several times they will not nerf the NPC corps as they are there for a reason, some people do not want to have to deal with war decs etc.
syphurous Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.03 01:43:00 - [19] Edited by: syphurous on 03/03/2007 01:39:37 While I'm aware you just wanted to make a stir, and post flame bait because your bored and have nothing to gate gank... Originally by: Asimov Andies stuff. First a macrorer must be using macros else by definition they aren't a macro. Farmers run the same thing over and over for profit, but not normal missions, high profit missions or DEDs or strip belts in high sec where they cant get ganked. All efforts are for external profit. Else its just grinding, a part of every MMO to further ones path through the game. If you dont like it, then MMO's aren't for you. If you have a problem with the belts not having any ore, move to low sec / no sec, else your just as bad as these people you decide you dont like. Your doing the same thing, just obviously your too slow to do it and your getting beaten. PS: I dont play the way you want me to, I play the way I want to. Originally by: Snake Doctor if it's such a problem for you, why dont you try to recruit them? Best comment ever :) ______________________________
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Asimov Andies well I think it is just wrong then to allow people in noob corps to be able to use something like a covetor or hulk. That means if they are striping a system, there is no way short of suicide missions for my corp to keep them from doing so. We are tired of moving systems do to these guys, so I was just asking if there is any way to stop this. It is a broken mechanic of the game in my opinion and that needs to stop. The only thing broken are your delusions of "fairness." You could always get the F out of high sec, to someplace where Concord won't interfere with you attacking whomever you darn well please. But that would take some balls. It's much easier to cry and moan you can't have a one-sided fight with someone in an NPC corp while in high security space.
Asimov Andies Gallente Red Blade Industries	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:19:00 - [21] I just have a problem when they can do it without being wardeed. if they were in a player corp, I wouldn't care, but as it is, they are effectivley invulnerable. -=#=- Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Targoviste Originally by: High Sierra note to self - don't ever provide ANYONE with quoteable material EVER AGAIN.
Asimov Andies Gallente Red Blade Industries	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Blue Pixie The only thing broken are your delusions of "fairness." You could always get the F out of high sec, to someplace where Concord won't interfere with you attacking whomever you darn well please. But that would take some balls. It's much easier to cry and moan you can't have a one-sided fight with someone in an NPC corp while in high security space. Another broken aspect is players abilities to automatically assume what other players are or are not doing. I mine in low sec quite often. The hemorphite is something I need to mine for my manufacturing so i can get decent amounts of zydrine. I mine in systems from 1.0 -0.0 If you don't believe me ask CHON corp, I annoyed them for 2 weeks out in ORE space with my retriever. The main purpose that i want to keep the belts from being stripped is for the newbies that my corp takes in. they are not ready to mine in low sec. If you would stop and gather information, maybe you would not jump to false conclusions, so please think or STFU -=#=- Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Targoviste Originally by: High Sierra note to self - don't ever provide ANYONE with quoteable material EVER AGAIN.
Pholocix Digital Horizons Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Asimov Andies The main purpose that i want to keep the belts from being stripped is for the newbies that my corp takes in. they are not ready to mine in low sec. So how many systems are you trying to protect for your "newbies"? I hope its over 20 of them, otherwise you are coddling them a bit too much. Moving around alot would be good virtual life experience for them. Besides, finding hi-sec systems with an actual amount of ore in them is something even us veteran industrialists have to deal with. If you found yourself in a fair fight your intel sucks.
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:51:00 - [24] They're not invulnerable, you just don't want to suffer any consequences. If you're so hell bent on blasting someone in high sec, man up, grow a pair and take the security hit. Oh, what's that? You don't want Concord to blow your stuff up? Well golly, players who join NPC corps don't want you to blow their stuff up (and sacrifice numerous privileges for the sake of it). Get over it, or GTFO of Empire.
Asimov Andies Gallente Red Blade Industries	Posted - 2007.03.03 02:59:00 - [25] Originally by: Blue Pixie They're not invulnerable, you just don't want to suffer any consequences. If you're so hell bent on blasting someone in high sec, man up, grow a pair and take the security hit. Oh, what's that? You don't want Concord to blow your stuff up? Well golly, players who join NPC corps don't want you to blow their stuff up (and sacrifice numerous privileges for the sake of it). Get over it, or GTFO of Empire. Again, ask before you speak, I have blown them up. After blowing 2 up with this character, I decided an alt would be better so I am not destroying main. So I created an alt and attack them when I can, unfortunatley, I work and usually am at work when they invade my home system, so it is hard to catch them. And Blue pixie, your ignorance is showing. Might want to cover it with your mask of stupidity. -=#=- Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] -Targoviste Originally by: High Sierra note to self - don't ever provide ANYONE with quoteable material EVER AGAIN.
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.03.03 03:14:00 - [26] Invade your home system? Are you now claiming sovereignty in high sec? Originally by: Asimov Andies Again, ask before you speak, I have blown them up. After blowing 2 up with this character, I decided an alt would be better so I am not destroying main. So I created an alt and attack them when I can, unfortunatley, I work and usually am at work when they invade my home system, so it is hard to catch them. And Blue pixie, your ignorance is showing. Might want to cover it with your mask of stupidity. Might want to take your own advice, chuckles. So you don't have a problem mining in low sec, and you don't have a problem suicide ganking in high sec... instead, now your complaint is that you can't hunt & destroy people while you're logged off and at work? Are you freaking kidding me?
Snake Doctor Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.04 17:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Blue Pixie Invade your home system? Are you now claiming sovereignty in high sec? Wins this thread.
Joebarchuck	Posted - 2007.03.04 18:01:00 - [28] This thread is ridiculous as Eve players should play the way they desire as long as they respect EULA. You are you to say the way you play is better than running missions, etc... Personally, I have been running mission objectives for the past month or so to get some nice navy issue BPC. I currently have 400,000 LP with my agent and it should be my right to do so. This is how I play for now. Once I get it, I will go back to some pvp. Leave people alone...
T'Laar Bok Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.03.04 19:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Asimov Andies Farmer: Anyone who mines, rats, runs missions, in a newb corp flying anything bigger than a t1 tier 1 cruiser. Please post your requirements so I can play the game how you want me too.
Jadelith	Posted - 2007.03.04 19:16:00 - [30] Anyone who manufactures rats mines researches does missions etcetc in Red Blade Industries corp using any non-civilian mod.

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