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Griel
Doom Guard
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:46:00 -
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Word to the wise, don't invest in this corp. I put 50million into this back in August last year and have yet to see one penny returned from my investment. So much so that today I finally asked for my investment back. It was duly returned to me.. but that's not the point.. there have been hardly any communications on this investment, and the ones that have been have been encouraging investors to withdraw.
so don't waste your isk, unless you want to put it in a bank that gives 0% interest 
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Thranduil Saralonde
Takigama Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:47:00 -
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aaaah bad investors spirit here 
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zacuis
Infinite Improbability Inc
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:49:00 -
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frankly im amazed u even got your isk back
and wrong forum btw
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Algey
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:50:00 -
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It'd be nice if we were to get our original investment back even. Everyone I know who invested has got nothing back, however the corp leader does have a shiny carrier now...
Ah well, never invest unless you can afford to lose the isk. 
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kay'e
nihil somn
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:51:00 -
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At least you got the isk back, but yeah it sucks 
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Thranduil Saralonde
Takigama Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Algey
It'd be nice if we were to get our original investment back even. Everyone I know who invested has got nothing back, however the corp leader does have a shiny carrier now...
Ah well, never invest unless you can afford to lose the isk.
all investments in eve are 100% guaranteed didnt you know that
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chrisreeves
Gallente
Asgard Protectorate
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: chrisreeves on 02/03/2007 22:49:20
LOL, you got your isk back then right?
So, they are trustworthy but just unable to give you a return on your investment? Thanks for the heads up. I will make sure to stay as far away from them as possible.  Filthy scum, taking iskies and then returning them with no loss or profit. The least they could have done is kept your isk. 
I would talk to their alliance about this.
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Algey
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Thranduil Saralonde
Originally by: Algey
It'd be nice if we were to get our original investment back even. Everyone I know who invested has got nothing back, however the corp leader does have a shiny carrier now...
Ah well, never invest unless you can afford to lose the isk.
all investments in eve are 100% guaranteed didnt you know that
Do you have any idea of the corp or the investment? Any at all, or is this just random trolling?
The leader of that corp is the new ISSN admiral, and we're kinda miffed about him not paying us back, but buying a carrier instead.
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Thranduil Saralonde
Takigama Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:55:00 -
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no i just believe there is good in all that are
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.02 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: chrisreeves
Edited by: chrisreeves on 02/03/2007 22:49:20
LOL, you got your isk back then right?
So, they are trustworthy but just unable to give you a return on your investment? Thanks for the heads up. I will make sure to stay as far away from them as possible. Filthy scum, taking iskies and then returning them with no loss or profit. The least they could have done is kept your isk.
I would talk to their alliance about this.
yea said the smart that thinks you dont mine with barges in 0.0.....
Paktu pay up you lil scam!
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Packtu'sa
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.02 23:46:00 -
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Yes, you are all quite informed. /sarcasm
I'll start with the easy ones first. I never purchased a carrier; it was given to me by a friend, and the ISK for the skillbooks came out of my personal wallet (which was filled by means of ratting). The carrier has since been in use to assist the corporation, specifically this project. I think that it's fairly evident that my acquiring a carrier has only helped.
Now, Griel, had you read through my messages sent to the investors' mailing list (which I made very clear before you invested that you should join) you would know that your shares had been converted to bonds quite some time ago, and that you would no longer recieve regular dividend payments. Prior to this, monthly dividend payments were sent out along with status updates.
I returned your 50 million ISK to you from my own personal wallet--yes, personal wallet, again not taking ISK from the corporation wallet--because I considered you a friend, and thought that I would buy your shares from you myself. In reality, you were only entitled to 9.2m ISK, because I am in the process of establishing further industrial production and selling material stockpiles.
Yes, surely I'm a scammer, because I've been spending the last few days moonscanning systems where I am moving in and forming reactions, and while I write this one of my EVE clients is open with a hauler about to pick up supplies, while the other is in an interceptor to scout for me. Surely I'm a scammer, because even though I have both paid dividends directly into your wallet and given you plenty of information through the investors' mailing list, you seem to be oblivious to this. My messages have not been 'encouraging investors to withdraw'... I was outlining the proceedures for doing so if they choose to sell their bonds back to the corporation rather than waiting for me to do so once the bond contract was fulfilled.
My previously being the Admiral of the ISS Navy Task Force has nothing to do with this; both Algey and Griel have been as well, it seems like we're all in the club. ;)
If you cannot take the most basic of responsability to keep informed as an investor and realize that investments involve risk, do not invest.
I don't take kindly to slander.
Packtu'sa
Founder/CEO, Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp |
Thranduil Saralonde
Takigama Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.03 00:03:00 -
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if you put like some more effort into informing your investors instead of expecting them to know things and all channels to use to keep informed then some things wont happen
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Packtu'sa
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.03 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Thranduil Saralonde
if you put like some more effort into informing your investors instead of expecting them to know things and all channels to use to keep informed then some things wont happen
I personally opened a conversation window with each and every investor about the mailing list, and insured that they were all subscribed. If they do not have the responsability to check it when it starts flashing, I cannot be blamed.
Packtu'sa
Founder/CEO
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp [NCIC] |
Blood Thorn
Minmatar
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.03.03 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Griel
so don't waste your isk, unless you want to put it in a bank that gives 0% interest
Just out of curiosity (and having no knowledge of the original corp you invested in), exactly how much of a return do you get with that money sitting in your wallet? 
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Packtu'sa
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.03 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Blood Thorn
Originally by: Griel
so don't waste your isk, unless you want to put it in a bank that gives 0% interest
Just out of curiosity (and having no knowledge of the original corp you invested in), exactly how much of a return do you get with that money sitting in your wallet?
Including dividends paid previously, it's about 128%, way ahead of schedule.
Packtu'sa
Founder/CEO
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp [NCIC] |
Lygos
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.03.03 02:37:00 -
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Edited by: Lygos on 03/03/2007 02:42:47
Edited by: Lygos on 03/03/2007 02:41:51
Edited by: Lygos on 03/03/2007 02:35:39
Wasn't expecting to see this on crummy COAD forums. Paktu is an upstanding guy. I don't like writing this because the OP and some of the other people above me are energetic people who are good at motivating and leading others and thus are people I admire.
The fact that he had to uproot the whole operation infrastructure several times as a result of much bigger situations has slightly dampened profit turning over from investments. No doubt, it has put off a number of people involved in the project tangentially as well. Relocation results in needing to reestablish ties, even for a modest enterprise.
Sorry, but real business acumen does not derive from being given a T2 bpo by the Gods and having it sitting safe and prim in Jita. Even for a modest commodity such as what Nabaal deals in, extensive connections are required. You cannot retool instantly, nor even divest all holdings instantly.
When Paktu finds a stable situation in which to operate, I will probably happily reinvest if he is still looking to throw himself back into these operations. A space shuttle missing a launch due to engineering concerns is not an example of faulty science or economic mischief. That popular sentiment is an example of primitive thinking in otherwise very intelligent individuals. Wisdom is only gained through suffering, and knowledge is only acquired through documented error. Paktu has dealt squarely and honestly with me and everyone else that keeps up with its newsletter. Business involves patience and the carefully orchestrated energies of many individuals.
Best of luck and serenity to all who pursue the Business Arts with a sense of industrial virtue.
[edited] One sec mods, getting corp ticker sorted. brb.
[edited] Apparently it takes awhile to update.
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