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Cmdr Tarlton ScrapYard Wolves Laika. 0	Posted - 2011.12.20 02:42:00 - [1] - Quote I have tried very hard to find current information about level 5 missions. I've been running level 4s for a few years now and of course level 5s are next? Or are level 5s so over run by pirates and griefers that they flat out can't be done? Are they so amazingly profitable that it's a giant secret? If anyone has any experience running level 5 missions I'd love to hear your experience. How many of you did it take? Can you solo any of them with an alt RR? What ship class is viable? What's the minimum number of pilots needed if 2 won't cut it? Is the loot and salvage any better than level 4s? I did find that CCP gives more LP for level 5s so wow, I fount one bit of solid information. I can solo all level 4s and laugh at the Angel Bonus room. What's the next challenge? I don't mean pvp either since I want to make more money. A lot more money that level 4s give. Anyone that can guide me to some good and recent information will be appreciated.
Klymer Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2011.12.20 03:03:00 - [2] - Quote Incursions would probably be a better option than 5's if your in it for the ISK. You still might have to deal with some shenanigans, but at least they are in hisec.
Barbie D0ll Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2011.12.20 04:53:00 - [3] - Quote they can be soloed with a select few ships, rattlesnake, navy scorp, loki, tengu, all pasive tanked. they can be done with an RR alt, and all gateless missions can be done with a carrier or super carrier. there are webbing and neuting towers that will attack you from 150+ KM out. however, you will not be able to tank both the mission and the pirates that will come to kill you. I have attempted to run lvl 5s but have always been run off by the pirates in system. be aware that pirates will also use a +5.00 sec status alt to scan you down or observe you. as far as I know, all lvl 5 agents are camped by pirates or people operating on NBSI (not blue shoot it). and if you attempt to get blue to them or join them, its very likely you will be scammed, your stuff stolen, your ship blown up, and your corpse decorating their hanger. ( and this policy of screwing people over is becoming more and more commonplace) if you aren't killed getting there, you will be killed in mission or on your way back to safety.
Loraine Gess Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists 8	Posted - 2011.12.20 07:57:00 - [4] - Quote Barbie D0ll wrote: they can be soloed with a select few ships, rattlesnake, navy scorp, loki, tengu, all pasive tanked. they can be done with an RR alt, and all gateless missions can be done with a carrier or super carrier. there are webbing and neuting towers that will attack you from 150+ KM out. however, you will not be able to tank both the mission and the pirates that will come to kill you. I have attempted to run lvl 5s but have always been run off by the pirates in system. be aware that pirates will also use a +5.00 sec status alt to scan you down or observe you. as far as I know, all lvl 5 agents are camped by pirates or people operating on NBSI (not blue shoot it). and if you attempt to get blue to them or join them, its very likely you will be scammed, your stuff stolen, your ship blown up, and your corpse decorating their hanger. ( and this policy of screwing people over is becoming more and more commonplace) if you aren't killed getting there, you will be killed in mission or on your way back to safety. Yes... because it's impossible for their -10 alt to scan you down and observe you.
Barbie D0ll Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2011.12.20 08:18:00 - [5] - Quote Loraine Gess wrote: Yes... because it's impossible for their -10 alt to scan you down and kill you. fyp anyone trying to solo in a sig bloated nighthawk can get scanned down in the 30 seconds by a max skill prober with full implants, if not in 30 seconds, they can scan you down while you are still scrammed by elite frigates.
Garbad theWeak 52	Posted - 2011.12.20 15:44:00 - [6] - Quote > I have tried very hard to find current information about level 5 missions. l5 missions are surrounded with misinformation, some deliberate, a lot because people are morons and/or obsolete. > Or are level 5s so over run by pirates and griefers that they flat out can't be done? Low sec pirates are comically ineffective. Its trivially easy to bypass them using basic tricks like instawarps, cloak, near unprobable fits, and basic scouting. Also, if you want to try l5s without risk, visit cale greys. Although the agent is based in 0.4FW space, he often sends you missions next door to high sec (there are several other l5s that do this as well). In this way you can learn to manage the missions and tank before dealing with the pvp aspect. > What ship class is viable? Ignore all the haters, run t3. The other junk is worthless except for high sec l5s. The method I used was: Cloaky, Passive Tanked Tengu <-- served as scout and tank, only did like 200 dps High DPS Tengu <-- 750 dps, minor tank for emergencies, made both ships unprobable The tank scouted both ships between gates, then warped into missions to aggro them. DPS tengu warped in and blew everything apart. Missions average about 3-15 minutes to complete. Of course this is for Kin/Therm damage type, but similar combinations work well for other missions. Another common method is DPS/buffer tengu + logi, but this has less DPS I find. Then there are the people in solo rattlesnakes and the like, but that is extremely slow and not viable outside of high sec. > Is the loot and salvage any better than level 4s? No, its just more of it. I typically didn't waste my time salvaging, I just blitzed the l5s. > What's the next challenge? Honestly, I'd suggest incursions or wormholes. Considering the hassle, l5s are only slightly more valuable than l4s. I made about 250 mil an hour between two accounts, counting setup time and hauling. The fits I used were fairly expensive, a bil or so each. The pvp and missions themselves are pretty easy to deal with, but require specialized fits and setup time. Also, the profit is paid in massive amounts of low value LP, meaning you need to do a lot of hauling, market research, and time spent dumping the LP. All the while competing against other bears. And look at the prices of large value items that are easy to sell -- ISK/LP of 600 or lower is the norm, and you don't have access to any good BPs. TL;DR - Run l4s for Ducia Foundry in high sec.
Emperor Salazar Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 286	Posted - 2011.12.20 15:56:00 - [7] - Quote You don't need to hit the enter key after every sentence, just FYI. Also, a better next step is 0.0 lvl 4s and 0.0 Cosmos.
Flurk Hellbron Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 16	Posted - 2011.12.21 00:22:00 - [8] - Quote Klymer wrote: Incursions would probably be a better option than 5's if your in it for the ISK. You still might have to deal with some shenanigans, but at least they are ALSO in hisec. Fixed that for you.
Fango Mango University of Caille Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2011.12.21 00:53:00 - [9] - Quote Cmdr Tarlton wrote: I have tried very hard to find current information about level 5 missions. I've been running level 4s for a few years now and of course level 5s are next? Or are level 5s so over run by pirates and griefers that they flat out can't be done? Some are some aren't. Use the tools available and do your own research. If the constellation had 10 jumps and zero kills in the last 24 hours it is probably safe. If the constellation had 10K jumps and 200 kills in the last 24 hours it probably is crawling with pirates Quote: Are they so amazingly profitable that it's a giant secret? The ISK payment is about 2-3x greater than L4s. They offer all kinds of LP(maybe 10x Level 4s), getting rid of that LP is difficult. There are probably easier ways to make as much ISK. Quote: If anyone has any experience running level 5 missions I'd love to hear your experience. How many of you did it take? Can you solo any of them with an alt RR? What ship class is viable? What's the minimum number of pilots needed if 2 won't cut it? My Experience . . . They are "fun" the first you times the same way that other EVE missions are fun if they are new. Then they are "fun" as you try and figure out the optimal fit to run them as fast and cheap as possible. You will get scanned down by pirates, they will wait for hours and hours and hours to get a kill. Set your D-Scan to max distance and check for probes every 10 seconds or so. If it takes you more than 15 seconds to warp off assume that they have your mission spot, and that they are waiting at the entrance in cloaked recon/t3 for you to come back. Feel free to tease the pirates as much as possible. As far as ship go . . . Missions without spawns can very easily be run with this basic set up. 1 battleship OR Assault ship as the main tank. 1 battleship with remote Rep as the healer. 2 dominix work very well for the role and can be fit for less than 150 Mil (its much less annoying to lose 150 Million worth of ships in a mission/gate than a 2 Billion worth of ships) For the right price, I'd be happy to walk you through running L5s or Null Sec L4s safely. I provide the ships and the training, you provide the ISK and a pod(no implants please, you will get podded at some point). Send me an offer in game if you're interested. Quote: Is the loot and salvage any better than level 4s? I did find that CCP gives more LP for level 5s so wow, I fount one bit of solid information. Most of the missions are Anti-faction so you might roll some nice tags, depending on the mission, but as other people have said its usually recommended to blitz and not worry about killing or salvaging anything you don't need to. Some missions drop faction loot but those are rare. Quote: I can solo all level 4s and laugh at the Angel Bonus room. What's the next challenge? I don't mean pvp either since I want to make more money. A lot more money that level 4s give. Anyone that can guide me to some good and recent information will be appreciated. NPC 0.0 Level 4s. They have nice rewards (well 50% better than high sec), plus you get the fun and excitement of Null Sec. If all you care about is the most ISK for the least work, sit in Jita/Dodixie/Amarr and trade. Or if you want to be in a ship, AFK high sec anti-faction missions for the tags . .. -FM
Jojo Jackson Dead Red Eye 25	Posted - 2011.12.24 12:53:00 - [10] - Quote Barbie D0ll wrote: and if you attempt to get blue to them or join them, its very likely you will be scammed, your stuff stolen, your ship blown up, and your corpse decorating their hanger. ( and this policy of screwing people over is becoming more and more commonplace) if you aren't killed getting there, you will be killed in mission or on your way back to safety. And after it they start to whine at the forum "buhahaha low is so emtpy. rise reward buhahahaah". Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!

Gary Bell Polaris Rising White Noise. 0	Posted - 2011.12.24 15:15:00 - [11] - Quote 1-There is no lvl fives in high sec at all.. Period 2-The tengu can run some lvl fives but you will be in almost every sinlge mission capped out as soon as you land on grid so ships with high base resists and passive recharge are the only way to tank it. the rattle can tank some missions but for most you will need to be atype fit with t2 rigs which deff isnt to cheap. 3- The loot and salvage from lvl fives aside from drone poop is complete crap, the best concept to them is to blitz them fast and quick for lp rewards. 4- Carrier is a good option to run them, but you will need to know the locals or you will die quickly... some missions have five and ten elite frigs that will scram you and you wont be able to kill them fast enough. 5-Carrier is not the end all, and you can very very easily die to lvl fives, by this i mean the fast that the fortress will cap out a carrier in about 3 mins.... it will take you alot longer to kill the nuet towers and get out, so the last thing you want is some guy in a tengu adding to your death. 6-Everyone of these missions use some form of ewar... the worst being gallente which will damp you so those lil frigs with you scrammed take 7 mins or so to lock.. so you really need to know the locals, and mimitar will take your barely scannable t3 and make it the size of a dread in seige so the very best advice is either join the locals or dont try... they can be very very profitable because you can make a mil lp a day with little effort but if you arent in a secure power block you will prob die in a fire..
King Rothgar Autocannons Anonymous 76	Posted - 2011.12.24 18:58:00 - [12] - Quote Cmdr Tarlton wrote: I have tried very hard to find current information about level 5 missions. I've been running level 4s for a few years now and of course level 5s are next? Or are level 5s so over run by pirates and griefers that they flat out can't be done? Are they so amazingly profitable that it's a giant secret? If anyone has any experience running level 5 missions I'd love to hear your experience. How many of you did it take? Can you solo any of them with an alt RR? What ship class is viable? What's the minimum number of pilots needed if 2 won't cut it? Is the loot and salvage any better than level 4s? I did find that CCP gives more LP for level 5s so wow, I fount one bit of solid information. I can solo all level 4s and laugh at the Angel Bonus room. What's the next challenge? I don't mean pvp either since I want to make more money. A lot more money that level 4s give. Anyone that can guide me to some good and recent information will be appreciated. I've run lvl5's for the past 2 years as my main source of income and ran them for about a year prior to that as a supplemental source. So I'll try to answer your questions as best I can. 1) Are lvl5's overrun with pirates? Yes and no. Most of the lvl5 runners are the pirates. Obviously they have no trouble with the local pirate alliance. Anyone else however is going to have a bad day. 2) Are they amazingly profitable and it's a giant secret? They can be pretty lucrative but it requires substantial effort. The reason is the loot/isk is no better than a typical lvl4. The real pay comes from the ~100k LP per mission. It's never been a secret really, the problem is the previous point keeps 99.9% of players away from them. Obviously since LP values are player determined, they wouldn't be lucrative at all if this was not the case. It can be a tricky balancing act on the part of players. Level 5's are frequently not the best source of income for high SP players in low/null sec, it depends on how saturated the LP market is. So most lvl5 runners also do exploration sites (low, null and w-space) when the faction goodies aren't selling. 3) Can they be solo'd? How many people does it take? What kinds of ships are needed? Yes, one and carrier for the short version. A solo carrier can run any ungated lvl5 (about half the mission pool) with ease and complete safety (assuming friendly locals). The gated ones are trickier, generally you'll want something along the lines of a full passive rattlesnake to tank the room + some dps. So a reasonable number is two and you can easily dual client it. Alternatively you can use an active tanker (golem/vargur) with a ship cap transferring to it. I've had good success with that. The augoror is perfect for such a function with a cloak on it to avoid taking aggro from new spawns. Do be aware that in either subcapital case, you will be spending around 2-3B isk on the tank ship since they must be able to survive 3k+ dps sustained and that really is the absolute minimum you can get away with. 4) Are they the next thing up from high sec lvl4's? No, they are not. As said, you have to be on good terms with the local low sec alliance. You must know how to pvp, you must know how probing out ships works and on top of that, you have to be able to survive the mission itself. They are radically different from lvl1-4 missions in their design as well. I dare say that incursions are actually the next step from high sec lvl4's as they are in effect, group missions. Level 5's are basically solo/duo missions that require expensive ships to run and thorough pvp knowledge to avoid getting massacred by guys like me. I'm not trying to discourage you although I'm sure that's what it looks like. But I think you have the wrong idea on them. I view lvl5's as a resource available to low sec residents. It's sort of like moon goo out in null sec or their anomalies in upgraded systems. It's not enough to just go 30 jumps from wherever you currently live and try to run them. That won't work. You must actually live there and control that swath of territory. They are a contested resource and if you aren't prepared to fight off guys like me then you will not keep it. Once you control a swath of territory so that you can focus on the mission rather than worrying about the locals, it gets pretty simple. The rats are just as dumb as they are in lvl4's and the missions are 100% predictable. You know exactly what you'll face every time, what the objective is and whether or not it's worth killing everything or just blitzing for the LP. Eve survival has a fairly up to date guide on all the missions, even the newest one (mass drivers). So no worries there. Not that you'll need any such guides if you fit your ships properly. The missions aren't exactly complicated, just more annoying than your typical lvl4.
Widemouth Deepthroat Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 7	Posted - 2011.12.24 19:23:00 - [13] - Quote I ran lvl5s around Taisy "solo" for the past year or so without any blues. Raked in 4-5mil LP per month @ ~400K LP per hour. I moved elsewhere recently but if I was still there I could keep on doing it. You need: 1 active tanked tengu fit with 3xccc rig, gist c-type xl booster, cprs in the lows, cap regen matrix sub, afterburner and I use gist x-type hardeners but I think even t2 works fine. 1-2 dps ships....stealth bomber or tengus are perfect for hot area, I used 2x torp CNR when area was quiet Multiple agents and characters with standings so you can cherry pick the best missions When I use cnrs I will fit improved cloak + mwd on them to move around, covert cloak on the tengu. When use sbs then I don't fit cloak on tengu and just scout with the bombers (have pounces 1km off all the gates). Also tengu you can swap some cpr for eccm or ballistic control for some mission. I use hg talons for tengus + CNRs. Bomber clone has halos so I can swap between different bomber depending on what npc I'm fighting. The tengu can tank all but the heaviest neuting from missions like The Fortress which you turn down. Local knowledge is also very helpful. I live around Taisy pvping so I know all the locals and who to watch out for and who is not really a threat. The way I would do them is every morning before work and when I get home I'd go around the 3 agents nearby see what missions I could get. Once I had 9-12 good missions ready I'd go pick them all up and spend an evening clearing them all. I'll leave to you to find the good missions. Basically you want mission that can be finished in 10-20mins without annoying things like timed spawn on neut towers. Here is a couple to get you started: Propaganda War : Warp in, destroy structure. Sansha on the Horizon: Ignore all the initial spawns. Destroy outpost and the ships that spawn when it hits ~50% shield. Bad mission: Deadly Serious..easy mission but it takes too long to be worth it and danger for getting probed since you spend so long in it Convoy Attack..also very easy but even with 2 x torp CNR with rage torps to kill the freighter it takes a long time I also do a few mission with carrier, tbh it is even less than 1/3 of all mission are non-gated and some of them aren't really blitzable.
King Rothgar Autocannons Anonymous 76	Posted - 2011.12.24 22:00:00 - [14] - Quote You can definitely do it in an area with no blues, but you had better know who the dangerous guys are and who you can basically ignore as said. It certainly helps if they are hesitant to attack you as well. I've run them in systems full of hostiles who knew I was running them, but they just wouldn't do anything about it because they were too afraid of me to attack. Some of those fears were legitimate, others were not. It's amazing what you can bluff your way through in this game.
Keat0n The Pakk Syndicate Capax Infinitus 2	Posted - 2011.12.26 00:56:00 - [15] - Quote I've seen L5s soloed with an Ishtar, if you fit your ship right, it can be done.
ollobrains 5th Front enterprises Mayhem. 0	Posted - 2011.12.26 06:10:00 - [16] - Quote ISK per hour the best income source is high sec incursions hands down everywhere else is just short by comparision
Bibosikus Elite United Hard Moose Moose Alliance 4	Posted - 2011.12.26 11:32:00 - [17] - Quote Keat0n wrote: I've seen L5s soloed with an Ishtar, if you fit your ship right, it can be done. That would probably be the passive shield tanked Ishtar, and only running against Serps/Guristas.. I reckon :) The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux.
Gary Bell Polaris Rising White Noise. 0	Posted - 2011.12.26 12:18:00 - [18] - Quote I would like to point out that the guy in the tengu with the Xl booster is and IDIOT and if you lisen to him you will die. The fortress can cap out and kill a carrier, and yes i have seen it from people who dident know how to run it and tried to blitz it and the 8k dps with no cap killed them. I have also seen people warp in supers then have to warp in a carrier to save the super because it was capped out and hung on something and couldent warp, so please by all means believe that idiot, there are some missions with no nuets but very few and they still do a ton of dps and no you wont be able to tank them cap stable for very long.
Widemouth Deepthroat Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 7	Posted - 2011.12.26 16:24:00 - [19] - Quote If you actually read my post you will see I said I turn down The Fotress since it has too much neuting, the only other missions I can remember turning down for too much neuting is Smash the Gallente Stockyard and Destroy the Gal/Min Outpost. All the rest of the missions I get in Caldari space have either 3-4 x Neut tower III. I can permarun the booster, ab and resist mods under 3xneut tower. 4x neut tower I have to pulse the booster. People said the same when I used to run lvl5s in unprobeable tengu + mach + nightmare. Oh it is impossible! He is lair cheat hacker *** idiot! Try it on sisi if you don't believe, or just take the word of baddies who nearly lose super cap trying to run lvl5 :D


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