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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2016.06.23 15:11:10 -
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Senicided wrote:The Tackler was yellow when he warped in. i did not shoot at him.
his friends turned yellow when they attacked me.
they had not visted me earlier.
ive been back playing for a grand total of like 3 days now so i have no idea how anyone would have killrights.
im not accusing them of cheating im just a noob thats trying to understand how to prevent this from happening again. i thought i was safe, i did what i remember doing when i played years ago (survive long enough for concord to save me).
I'm not accusing anyone of cheating I'm not really even upset I'm simply trying to understand what/how it happened.
So after reading all the reply's I'm going to chalk this one up as i got @#$%$@. and were done.
Thanks again everyone lots of good info and advice i appreciate it.
A common tactic is for a suspect flagged (yellow) player to warp in - he then jettison's some junk, possibly names it the same thing as your character or your ship. He will then *target* you (yellow flashing box) and warp scramble *his own container*. For some reason this generates a public announcement that tells you he has warp scrambled whatever he named his container - which as I say he probably renamed to match your name/ship. However, he *did not* aggress *you* at this time - he only targeted you.
His friends then warped in and started remote repairing him - thus generating suspect flags for themselves and turning yellow. They may also have warp scrambled his container to generate more messages to make you *think* you were being attacked.
As soon as you shot one of them, they turned blue/green - indicating that you had activated a "limited engagement" with them - giving them permission to legally shoot you. The more you shot, the more who were allowed to shoot you.
It is hard to be 100% sure since you didn't know what to look for and memories are fallible - but this is my best guess as to what happened to you. Does it sound close to the sequence of events?
You will know if you are ever actually being suicide ganked because the player will turn *solid RED* as soon as they aggress you in any way.
Similarly had you been at war they would blink red. |
Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.06.23 15:31:51 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Wow, that's pretty tricky, would probably even fool me for a few seconds. The things they do in HS....
High sec, low-sec, null-sec, or even WH space - it always pays know learn all of the dirty tricks for any area of space you operate in. Even if you don't exploit them yourself, you need to know how to defend against them.
@ Tipa - Have Fun and Good Luck lol  |
Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.06.23 18:43:41 -
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Senicided wrote:thats some super complicated trolling going on there.. lol i like it.
but no i dont loot i just kill all the rats loot the one thing i need to to complete the mission.
The event went down in this order.
1.) I had the first room of the mission cleared and was heading to the acel gate. the guy warped in and closed distance really fast and warpscram/web me before i could react and warp out (i was a bit slow but i honestly didnt think he was gonna gank me) he was already yellow. and i remember thinking to myself... "does web/scram count as hostile action??? or does he have to shoot me?"
2.) more rats spawned (i assume because i got closer to the gate and triggered them)
his friends jumped in about the same time. (i know what your thinking i was not killed by the rats it was like 3-4 of them and the tengu doesnt give a %#%# about that kinda damage even while not moving)
3.) They started shooting me at this point i have no idea what color the tags were i wasn't paying attention to anything but my HP)
4.) when my shields got really low (at least 30 seconds) and it was clear i gonna die i shot back at the cruiser sized attacker. (yea im not good at IDing ships yet)
i died (again at least 45 sec) and got podded (instantly which left me in shock at how fast they targeted my pod)
the whole time i was basically just thinking "concord will be here any second just stay alive" but they just never came.
Anyway when i get the ticket back ill make sure to report back.
Yeah it wouldn't be shooting *your* loot, he would just drop something he was carrying. It is quite evil sometimes.
As for the rest here:
1) Yes, web/scram is definitely hostile action - and unless he got legal permission to engage you he should have turned solid red as he began a gank attempt - however I don't truly think this was ever a suicide gank.
2) It would really help if you could either post your loss-mails on zkillboard or even just eve-mail them to me so I can see what ships were actually involved/etc lol - kind of flying blind here with so little info to go on.
Whether you are willing to share the killmails or not though - let us know once you find out what happened, because I'm definitely curious myself, and I'm sure others are too here. |
Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.06.23 22:03:09 -
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Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:
2) It would really help if you could either post your loss-mails on zkillboard or even just eve-mail them to me so I can see what ships were actually involved/etc lol - kind of flying blind here with so little info to go on.
The attacking ships were a worm with 2 small neuts and a salvager, and a shield repping kirin. Both characters have lost them before. EvE players sticking with what works, the losses are probably indicative of their usual fare. It looks like the "point a container" theory will win out here, though that doesn't really explain where the killmail went. We have the pod, so one of them is api-verified. Why don't we also have the ship? I'm not a pro-circuit player, so I don't know the ins and outs of the system.
Well those 2 for sure but from his description it sounds like more than 2 were involved in this one - and they have been known to use up to 5-6 people sometimes.
The tengu final blows were presumably obtained by somebody in the fleet who doesn't have their API on the killboard - which sucks honestly.
The tengu killmails would be very helpful because not only would they show all of the ships involved, they would also tell us exactly how much damage each of them dealt, and allow us to compare it with the damage dealt by rats/etc.
Sadly in moments of confusion and excitement humans tend to lose track of a lot of details and provide fairly innacurate eyewitness accounts of events like this....so although I'm sure the OP is not intentionally lying or anything we also can't take everything he is saying as 100% true. The killmail would provide some actual hard facts to go on - even if it doesn't tell the whole story. |
Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.06.23 23:51:27 -
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Hottentott wrote:Forgot to mention that you had your raven stolen a few days prior, during which you shot one of them while they were not aggressed. This gave them a killright on you, which led to loss #2, your tengu. There is a way you can avoid this...go to secure.eveonline.com, log in, game time drop down, cancel subscription. Or you could just drink bleach.
Yep, that would do it.. |
Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.06.24 15:34:27 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:Removed a post for trolling.
Well his post was pretty bad, and I did quote him I suppose...
For those who are curious but missed it, here is a summary of what happened *without* the trolling:
In his first encounter with the mission ninja's, the OP apparently *gave* them his (intact) Raven Navy Issue...Paid them a ransom of some sort.....*AND* gave them kill rights. We never actually got any details, and I for one would still like the OP to elaborate, but I suspect he will be too embarassed.
Thus this 2nd encounter where he lost his tengu was simple kill-right activation. No mystery there. |
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