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Tulden	Posted - 2007.03.04 00:48:00 - [1] Confused on what I should train, I just need to kill battleships as fast as possible in my battleship. I already have cruise to 4 but the training time to 5 is just as much for me to train torps from 3-5. Guided missile prec is 2 as is missile projection, everthing else is 4. The reason for this is I need a money maker while I train for a command ship. thx
SitRep Caldari Warspite Developments	Posted - 2007.03.04 02:22:00 - [2] training from torps lvl 4 to lvl 5 wont be any less than training the cruises to 5.
Big Al Ki Shoda	Posted - 2007.03.04 02:45:00 - [3] Originally by: SitRep training from torps lvl 4 to lvl 5 wont be any less than training the cruises to 5. Actually torps are rank 4 and cruise rank 5, hence the reason for the post. For only killing BS torps are superior however cruise make you a lot more well rounded should you need to kill smaller ships without relying on drones. Cruise are also a lot easier to fit.
Tulden	Posted - 2007.03.04 02:46:00 - [4] Actually it is, torps 4-5 is 21 days compared cruiser 4-5 26 days
Big Al Ki Shoda	Posted - 2007.03.04 03:38:00 - [5] Originally by: Tulden Actually it is, torps 4-5 is 21 days compared cruiser 4-5 26 days Except he was asking about cruise missiles vs torpedoes.
Tulden	Posted - 2007.03.04 04:05:00 - [6] sorry cruiser = cruise I mis spelled
Barbicane Minmatar The Gun Club Zzz	Posted - 2007.03.04 09:00:00 - [7] Originally by: Tulden ...I just need to kill battleships as fast as possible in my battleship... Sounds like you should be using torps here. If you add a target painter II to your setup, you'll kill cruisers and frigs just as well as with cruise missiles. (though the painter takes a mid slot from your tank and requires some skills of its own) Torps 5 have the added advantage of getting you one step closer to captital-size missile launchers (used by Dreads). Torps 5 have the disadvantage that Siege launchers, especially T2, have much higher fitting requirements than cruise counterparts. Your choice
IamBen Caldari M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.04 11:26:00 - [8] Cruise missles are alot more versatile. Go for cruise.
Mjeh Mjeh's Venture Company	Posted - 2007.03.04 11:38:00 - [9] Originally by: IamBen Cruise missles are alot more versatile. Go for cruise. /signed this is purely from a mission runner's point of view, so if you're going to use your ship for something else than running missions, disregard what I am about to say; the only way a torp build is viable is if you've got exceptional drone skills, atleast one target painter or you bring anti ceptor/cruiser-support. I'm absolutely not saying that you can't do missions with torps, because you can. only it takes longer :) as was said, target painters + torps = win, but then you'll lose a valuable mid slot and have to use faction mods to compensate for it. also, torps are a lot harder to fit
Barbicane Minmatar The Gun Club Zzz	Posted - 2007.03.04 13:12:00 - [10] I just want to add that I do all lvl4 missions in a t2 torp raven, without a target painter lately since I often prefer a strong tank and I'm too lazy to switch loadouts. T2 light drones take care of all frigs/intys in a jiffy. Sure, cruisers take a bit longer than with cruise missiles, but battleships go down faster. It's not as big a difference as you might think after listening to the anti-torp lobby To summarize: Torps are great vs battleships, ok vs cruisers (good if painted), bad vs frigs (ok if painted) Cruise are good vs battleships, good vs cruisers, ok vs frigs T2 light drones are worthless vs battleships, bad vs cruisers, great vs frigs So if you are fighting mainly battleships, use torps. If you're fightning mainly cruisers, use cruise. If there is a chance you might run into annoying frigs, bring some t2 light drones. If you can spare a mid-slot, fit a painter for improved efficency.
SonOTassadar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.03.04 19:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Barbicane To summarize: Torps are great vs battleships, ok vs cruisers (good if painted), bad vs frigs (ok if painted) Cruise are good vs battleships, good vs cruisers, ok vs frigs T2 light drones are worthless vs battleships, bad vs cruisers, great vs frigs I use T1 light drones vs. cruisers/Battlecruisers and they can solo them. It takes a while, but they will eventually kill them. T1 lights are also good for cruise missile Ravens to offset shield/armor repair of NPC battleships. I think you overestimate torpedoes and underestimate the usefulness of drones. ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standard Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.04 21:28:00 - [12] Cruise Missiles Reasons? a few, less fitting reqs, Better damage vs smaller ships T2 tops were it with the nerf bat, so bigger explosions and smaller damage means even less damage on moving targets. Better range, better velocity you can use them on StealthBombers, where as the torps are BS or bigger. they benifit from the guided missile precision skills, where as torps dont. I think the top range damage is better (on paper) with torps, than with Cruise- but for missions, cruise Defo, If its Player BS. double webber tripple paint and t2 anti ship torps and your gonna bust a BS pretty bad. Even worse if you can MWD at the same speed as the Anti-Ship torps and warp in @40K dropping 3 volleys while racing towards the target screaming WEEEEEEEEE in local - just b4 3 stacked volleys hit him. But cruise. unless you like the effects for the torps and want to PVP with a trippel paint, speed gimped uber nano/faction setup. imo anyways Sorted Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
DiuxDium Loot	Posted - 2007.03.05 02:11:00 - [13] Rage torps are awesome. I love them. I don't care about their use. <3 Rage Torps.
Arakasai Caldari Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 22:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Barbicane Torps are great vs battleships, ok vs cruisers (good if painted), bad vs frigs (ok if painted) Cruise are good vs battleships, good vs cruisers, ok vs frigs T2 light drones are worthless vs battleships, bad vs cruisers, great vs frigs So if you are fighting mainly battleships, use torps. If you're fightning mainly cruisers, use cruise. If there is a chance you might run into annoying frigs, bring some t2 light drones. If you can spare a mid-slot, fit a painter for improved efficency. I use T2 Cruise Missile Launchers and T2 light drones (they fly the quickest). I fly a Caldari Navy Raven for running missions with 7 - T2 Cruise Missile Launchers. My 5 T2 light drones allow me to kill Battleships ~50% quicker than not using them. So I am going to have to disagree with this statement.

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