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Pattern Clarc
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2007.03.04 06:27:00 -
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If theres a reason, i'd like to hear it....
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Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Isis Technologies
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Posted - 2007.03.04 08:47:00 -
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they hate drones. *pout* it makes perfect sense!
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Joe
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Posted - 2007.03.04 09:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Pattern Clarc
If theres a reason, i'd like to hear it....
They're a type of Ammo?
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.03.04 11:08:00 -
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A couple of items were "forgotten" in Invention... namely all T2 ammo/drones, and somehow also magically all T2 barges.
Might be even more T2 items that got forgotten, but I am unaware of what they might be.
Problem is, CCP said "we are aware of the problem" and "it will be fixed"... just not HOW and WHEN.
So the only conclusion can be that this is regarded as a very low-priority "bug".
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infraX
Caldari
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.03.04 12:37:00 -
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Are covert ops cloaks still uninventable aswell? Judging by the market price, given the amount of stock available, i would say they aren't. It seems the price is still being fixed high (it's not supply and demand, look how much supply there is on the market compared to apparent lack of demand) despite more cheaply available prototype cloak II's. Oh I remember that whiney post, 'buhu the components for T2 cloaks are so expensive and that's why we must sell the covops ones at 80mil a piece, waaa waaa'.
Needs to be fixed tbh.
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Bermag
Point-Zero
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.04 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: infraX
Are covert ops cloaks still uninventable aswell? Judging by the market price, given the amount of stock available, i would say they aren't.
You can invent cloaks, but there are two problems. First when you invent cloaks you either get improved cloaks or covert ops cloak so even if you are succewsful there is a 50% chance you get an improved cloak instead.
Secondly and most important, you need full run Prototype cloak BPC for the invemntion job and it take 13 days (10 days in POS) to make one full run copy.
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LukAsh
Amarr
LFC
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.04 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: infraX
Are covert ops cloaks still uninventable aswell? Judging by the market price, given the amount of stock available, i would say they aren't. It seems the price is still being fixed high (it's not supply and demand, look how much supply there is on the market compared to apparent lack of demand) despite more cheaply available prototype cloak II's. Oh I remember that whiney post, 'buhu the components for T2 cloaks are so expensive and that's why we must sell the covops ones at 80mil a piece, waaa waaa'.
Needs to be fixed tbh.
As an owner of T2 Cov Ops Cloak I can say that the price is purely dictated by supply/demand. Even in POS in Rapid Assembly Array you can make 30 cloaks in almost 4 days. An those sell very quickly, if you supply your corp and ally as well there is absolutely no stockpiles on production.
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Le Skunk
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.04 12:57:00 -
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The price of t2 drones stink.
As a heavy user of drones i am disgusted by the ramping of prices - especialy of t2 mediums - and especialy of HammerheadII
Over 2 million isk per unit in some regions.
When i read about invention - i immediatly thought YAY cheep drones.
Unfortunatly for some reason drones were missed off the list. It was not 'forgotten' it was deliberatly left off.
The only posititve point is invention is so bent that even if drones were included it prob wouldnt have made any difference to prices.
SKUNK
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Baleorg
Gallente
Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2007.03.04 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
A couple of items were "forgotten" in Invention... namely all T2 ammo/drones, and somehow also magically all T2 barges.
hmmm i got an invention tab on the covetor bpc though, u sure it wont work? and why
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Jonaaka Kaliin
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.04 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Baleorg
Originally by: Akita T
A couple of items were "forgotten" in Invention... namely all T2 ammo/drones, and somehow also magically all T2 barges.
hmmm i got an invention tab on the covetor bpc though, u sure it wont work? and why
He's talking about Skiffs, Mackinaws, and Hulks
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Baleorg
Gallente
Guys of Sarcasm
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Posted - 2007.03.04 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Baleorg on 04/03/2007 15:22:48
aeh yes,me too
i thought hulk is the result as invention from covetor ... ?
at least this sounce the logical way to me
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.03.04 15:34:00 -
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Yes, Hulk BPCs *should* have been inventable from Covetor BPCs (as you do have the invention tab visible), but for some unknown reason (to us, the general population), something went wrong... if you try to start the invention process with everything you should normally need (right interface, enough datacores, etc), it just doesn't want to start.
Or, at least, that was the case not so long ago, and nobody came out to say it's suddendly possible.
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Nex Angelus
Caldari
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.03.04 16:00:00 -
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I smell a huge conspiracy here...
...With Dev's Gm's, BoB, Jovians, Transformers, Aliens, CIA, Indiana Jones, NSA, Batman, Chuck Norris and Mr. Rogers 
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Jarnau Gurgeh
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Posted - 2007.03.04 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jarnau Gurgeh on 04/03/2007 16:37:30
Edited by: Jarnau Gurgeh on 04/03/2007 16:37:01
Originally by: Pattern Clarc
If theres a reason, i'd like to hear it....
[x] invention did never had a consistent concept
[x] invention could not be completed until Revelation
[x] invention is buggy
[x] BoD is not using drones
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infraX
Caldari
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.03.05 07:46:00 -
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Edited by: infraX on 05/03/2007 07:43:24
Originally by: LukAsh
Originally by: infraX
Are covert ops cloaks still uninventable aswell? Judging by the market price, given the amount of stock available, i would say they aren't. It seems the price is still being fixed high (it's not supply and demand, look how much supply there is on the market compared to apparent lack of demand) despite more cheaply available prototype cloak II's. Oh I remember that whiney post, 'buhu the components for T2 cloaks are so expensive and that's why we must sell the covops ones at 80mil a piece, waaa waaa'.
Needs to be fixed tbh.
As an owner of T2 Cov Ops Cloak I can say that the price is purely dictated by supply/demand. Even in POS in Rapid Assembly Array you can make 30 cloaks in almost 4 days. An those sell very quickly, if you supply your corp and ally as well there is absolutely no stockpiles on production.
That's *******s. Explain why there are literally hundreds of these things available n the market. Could it be that people think they are well overpriced and are simply not buying them? Ofcourse YOU might be able to sell the small amount you can produce. There are lots of people who think they NEED these modules and that the price is fair but come on...if you can't see a problem then there is definitely something wrong. I remember when these things cost a couple of mil....jebus.
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Gealbhan
Caldari
The Big Sky Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.05 07:53:00 -
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Isk sink?
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2007.03.05 07:54:00 -
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I got 5 Hammerhead II's last nite from a friendly Raven who was foolish enought to engage Absolution  .. so free drones makes me happy! 
"Sadly this is the only game I've ever played that encourages and rewards people for being jerks and penalizes people that don't" -Forum Alt |
infraX
Caldari
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.03.05 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gealbhan
Isk sink?
Please learn the definition of the term.
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Martosh Toma
Gallente
Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2007.03.05 09:57:00 -
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because they are something between ammo and a module is my best guess.
Would they be introduced for invention as it is now availeble for modules, then nobody will invent any, except maybe hammer-2 but I still think production of those trough invention to be unlikely
so most likely a new level is being prepared for drone and ammo production (much like the seperation of ships and modules). I am looking forward to the day that will come.
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2007.03.05 10:22:00 -
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its an evil plan thats about to unfold
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.05 10:22:00 -
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No t2 drones for Invention.....why?
Because Invention is weaksauce?
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Martosh Toma
Gallente
Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2007.03.05 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Soporo
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No t2 drones for Invention.....why?
Because Invention is weaksauce?
Could you perhaps clarify your inflamotary comment? what is wrong with invention in your opinion?
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2007.03.05 10:34:00 -
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weaksauce is good with weakburgers
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Ryan Scouse'UK
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Posted - 2007.03.05 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
The price of t2 drones stink.
As a heavy user of drones i am disgusted by the ramping of prices - especialy of t2 mediums - and especialy of HammerheadII
Over 2 million isk per unit in some regions.
When i read about invention - i immediatly thought YAY cheep drones.
Unfortunatly for some reason drones were missed off the list. It was not 'forgotten' it was deliberatly left off.
The only posititve point is invention is so bent that even if drones were included it prob wouldnt have made any difference to prices.
SKUNK
You do realise that hammerhead II's sky rocket as I belive a person I knew spend nearly 900mil buyin up all the hammerhead IIs in the Gal hubs in empire.. & re pricen them another +1mil of what they were.. & so it went on & on.. people uppin the price on -
nice he made double the isk he spent.. but now hammerhead II are like nearly 3mil each ha
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Gealbhan
Caldari
The Big Sky Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.05 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: infraX
Originally by: Gealbhan
Isk sink?
Please learn the definition of the term.
Please explain the definition of the term instead of barking a command.
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Martosh Toma
Gallente
Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2007.03.05 12:31:00 -
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isk sink = something that removes isk from the game, not just from your wallet into someone elses.
generaly known isk sinks are:
Buying insurance (the payment you get on ship destruction is an isk fountain)
Market fee's (tax and broker cost, not the product price itself)
Buying stuff from npc's (selling is another isk fountain) (includes trade goods, skillbooks, t1 bpo's etc)
Alliance and corp creation fee's
Office, factory and laboratory rents
Not realy related to the discussion on t2 drone prices, nor on the unavaleble options for t2 drone invention
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Maric
Science Experts
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Posted - 2007.03.05 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Bermag
First when you invent cloaks you either get improved cloaks or covert ops cloak so even if you are succewsful there is a 50% chance you get an improved cloak instead.
If You ask me, it is more like 75% chance for improved.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Joe
Originally by: Pattern Clarc
If theres a reason, i'd like to hear it....
They're a type of Ammo?
Nope. They're a type of module.
Well, no actually. They're neither- they're drones, something somewhere in between the two. 2 million a pop for medium drones is absurd. That means just to fit t2 "ammo" on my Vexor, it'll cost me 14 million isk; AND THEY'RE DISPOSABLE. 14 million isk, and even if I win I'm likely to have lost most of them.
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