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Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1888	Posted - 2016.07.06 09:00:50 - [211] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Quote: There's a fatalistic mentality that's at work too often in this game... the whole 'can't win, don't try' thing. It gives me a powerful sad to be honest. I think you did the monster in the bushes part rather too well... damn it omar! whyduhave to kill highsec pvp! That was a generic "you." COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 16634	Posted - 2016.07.06 09:12:40 - [212] - Quote Omar Alharazaad wrote: Bourbon makes Omar YOLO marauders on WT POS'es with disastrous results. context for those unfamiliar with the incident Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2922	Posted - 2016.07.06 09:18:51 - [213] - Quote +1 for the Cervantes reference. (Yes, I read books!) For some reason I can't stop giggling. Oh well, it's good that a year later at least I can laugh about it. Two hours til the stores start selling booze again. I need to kill some time. Dracvlad, I wasn't disagreeing with you. As stated previously, these things were predicted and predicated. Cause and effect and whatnot. I'm no more happy about the outcome than the bears who are suffering from the blanket decs. I'd much rather be hunting properly, and I wont be compelled to camp pipes or hubs. Likewise I'm not moving to low/null either. So it's purgatory for now, until something changes. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 1821	Posted - 2016.07.06 09:22:24 - [214] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Dracvlad wrote: What I find amusing is that the simplistic narrative that the watch list removal caused the blanket war decs is false.... Maybe you can provide a quote of somebody writing that....oh never mind. Not defending him but even before watchlist removal i have seen permanent trade hub campers having lots of wardecs at the same time and almost never leaving trade hub. For me it means that 'blanket war decs' didn't start 'just because of watchlist removal'. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1888	Posted - 2016.07.06 09:25:09 - [215] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: Dracvlad wrote: What I find amusing is that the simplistic narrative that the watch list removal caused the blanket war decs is false.... Maybe you can provide a quote of somebody writing that....oh never mind. Not defending him but even before watchlist removal i have seen permanent trade hub campers having lots of wardecs at the same time and almost never leaving trade hub. For me it means that 'blanket war decs' didn't start 'just because of watchlist removal'. I don't need or want defending because I don't feel the need to prove anything to people like Teckos, you just say it as you see it which is what you did. COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
Omar Alharazaad Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 2924	Posted - 2016.07.06 09:26:47 - [216] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: Dracvlad wrote: What I find amusing is that the simplistic narrative that the watch list removal caused the blanket war decs is false.... Maybe you can provide a quote of somebody writing that....oh never mind. Not defending him but even before watchlist removal i have seen permanent trade hub campers having lots of wardecs at the same time and almost never leaving trade hub. For me it means that 'blanket war decs' didn't start 'just because of watchlist removal'. It didn't. The change just amplified the happening by pretty much making it the only plausible way for a large entity to generate the content necessary to keep it's members occupied. The hub campers have been around since forever, just now that's pretty much the only realistic route left for larger groups. Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4938	Posted - 2016.07.06 09:41:03 - [217] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: March rabbit wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: Dracvlad wrote: What I find amusing is that the simplistic narrative that the watch list removal caused the blanket war decs is false.... Maybe you can provide a quote of somebody writing that....oh never mind. Not defending him but even before watchlist removal i have seen permanent trade hub campers having lots of wardecs at the same time and almost never leaving trade hub. For me it means that 'blanket war decs' didn't start 'just because of watchlist removal'. I don't need or want defending because I don't feel the need to prove anything to people like Teckos, you just say it as you see it which is what you did. Problem is nobody has said blanket wardecs were caused by watchlist removal, that is just simply a lie. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4938	Posted - 2016.07.06 09:45:04 - [218] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Teckos Pech wrote: Dracvlad wrote: What I find amusing is that the simplistic narrative that the watch list removal caused the blanket war decs is false.... Maybe you can provide a quote of somebody writing that....oh never mind. Not defending him but even before watchlist removal i have seen permanent trade hub campers having lots of wardecs at the same time and almost never leaving trade hub. For me it means that 'blanket war decs' didn't start 'just because of watchlist removal'. Thing is Dracvlad has not shfted the goal posts. Shae said that removing the watchlist lead to more blanket war decs. Now Dracvlad's new narrative was that Shae said it caused blanket war decs which is simply not true. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Valkin Mordirc 2162	Posted - 2016.07.06 10:53:21 - [219] - Quote I don't think anybody was intending to say that Blanket decs only came up after the watchlist changes, blanket decs like Marmite, Archetype and specially Pirate and VMG are obviously still a thing. Only that are becoming more prevalent due to the Watchlist being removed. And that that style of play, of Mass Dec and watch the trade routes is possible thing to do, it's the only convenient way to run a Mercenary Alliance. Hunters are no longer hunters, just roamers for the most part. And that we told you so. `#DeleteTheWeak`
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1888	Posted - 2016.07.06 11:38:23 - [220] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: I don't think anybody was intending to say that Blanket decs only came up after the watchlist changes, blanket decs like Marmite, Archetype and specially Pirate and VMG are obviously still a thing. Only that are becoming more prevalent due to the Watchlist being removed. And that that style of play, of Mass Dec and watch the trade routes is possible thing to do, it's the only convenient way to run a Mercenary Alliance. Hunters are no longer hunters, just roamers for the most part. And that we told you so. I would agree it was not the intent for Shae to say that, it was the use of "direct response" that made it ambiguous making it possible to interpret it as being that, that was obviously meant to say the surge after the watch list removal, which could be just as much as a "We told you so" in terms of result which is an attempt to get CCP to change their policy. Not that I would blame you for that of course. The really relevant question is why did war dec entities move to the blanket war dec approach before the watch list change? (Note I am aware of the way that the Orphanage worked and how they got kills, they did run fleets and were quite good at it but not to the level of BAW, Marnite were a copy of the Orphange imo) Certainly it was one way to develop greater numbers, better killboards and easy content, however it made them lazy and inefficient in terms of more challenging fights. A good example was that Marmite were actually more competent then people gave them credit for. Was this as a result of a loss of content as people did not bother fighting them any more? Did that have any impact in that change. Observation: Since the Imperium got kicked out of null there is a notable increase in hisec population, I was wondering if all these Imperium players have just setup their indy in hisec again, for example in my back water I have a Razor guy with a number of characters in small corps. The thing is that I do not expect you to get much content from them. I am going to start analysing the killboards of certain WDE's to try to work out the actual value of hisec targets as against blapping 0.0 fools. Should be interesting, my feeling is that 0.0 alliances make up the majority of the ISK value and numbers of kills. Was wondering what value WDE's get from actual hisec entities apart from tears, the money is obviously in 0.0 alliances, is it really worth war decking all those small one man corps with 0 kills as a result even if you get the odd kill out of stupid people? That the move towards bigger entities was to be able to win the fun content of fights against other WDE's, for bragging rights and looking like they could get the job done in terms of those elusive real contracts. COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 577	Posted - 2016.07.06 12:00:38 - [221] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: I would agree it was not the intent for Shae to say that, it was the use of "direct response" that made it ambiguous Don't give me so much credit. It was just your inability to read a whole sentence.
Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7599	Posted - 2016.07.06 12:19:05 - [222] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Should be interesting, my feeling is that 0.0 alliances make up the majority of the ISK value and numbers of kills. It's a good thing we don't do statistical analysis by gut feeling then, huh, otherwise we'd all be as hopelessly wrong as you. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1888	Posted - 2016.07.06 12:22:02 - [223] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Dracvlad wrote: I would agree it was not the intent for Shae to say that, it was the use of "direct response" that made it ambiguous Don't give me so much credit. It was just your inability to read a whole sentence. I am not giving you any credit, I think you were being disingenuous, and I would refer people to your simplistic +1 -1 nerf buff post in another thread for the level of your stupidity and simplistic thinking. This post gives me another opportunity to suggest that the HTFU players are correct in that you cannot look at war decs on their own, they should be analysed along with ganking, suspect baiting and other such PvP related content. Certainly the affect of those has also had a hand in developing hisec into the current sad state it is now in. Carebears have always existed in Eve and there was in fact a lot more whiney carebears in the past then there is now, in fact there are very few indeed and those that are denoted as whiney carebears are often nothing of the sort. It is evident also that the majority of people that I meet in AG for example totally accept that war decs and ganking is part of the Eve experience in hisec. COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7599	Posted - 2016.07.06 12:24:55 - [224] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Dracvlad wrote: I would agree it was not the intent for Shae to say that, it was the use of "direct response" that made it ambiguous Don't give me so much credit. It was just your inability to read a whole sentence. I am not giving you any credit, I think you were being disingenuous This is called 'projection'. It's also called 'irony'. The last time I saw projection and irony in one sentence, it was from... nvm, you don't wanna know. You are being disingenuous by trying to pretend that Shae said something Shae never ever ever said, nor implied, asserted, claimed, etc etc. It was your reading comprehension/ignorance/both and yours ALONE that was to blame here. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1888	Posted - 2016.07.06 12:29:05 - [225] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Should be interesting, my feeling is that 0.0 alliances make up the majority of the ISK value and numbers of kills. It's a good thing we don't do statistical analysis by gut feeling then, huh, otherwise we'd all be as hopelessly wrong as you. Sadly that just details the amount produced and destroyed in the regions, it does not detail who it belonged to and who did it which is what I was after, please try to keep up. To remind you I wanted to see how much of the WDE's kills in terms of ISK and number came from 0.0 and lowsec alliances. If you can find that sort of data I would be most interested. WDE = War Dec Entity and as war decs are to enable combat in hisec I felt that was pretty obvious, furthermore the WDE's hardly ever operate outside of hisec, though some do, for example Vendetta specialise in killing JF's and I would count them as being part of their effort as they were coming to hisec.. COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
Doc J Barefist Pikey's House Renovation's 18	Posted - 2016.07.06 14:47:36 - [226] - Quote Blanket war decs are not the result of the removal of watchlist. Many of the merc corps were already blanket deccing. Only now seeing who of your targets is online is not possible without the intervention of the locator. This is why i think as an attacker special information should be fed to us, at the same time information should be fed to the defender. not expeciting information consisting of war and peace but something like a small snipped every 5 minutes- Attacker corp-XYZ 1 online - system Defender War target entering system (# jumps from you) or something
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1888	Posted - 2016.07.06 15:01:35 - [227] - Quote Doc J wrote: Blanket war decs are not the result of the removal of watchlist. Many of the merc corps were already blanket deccing. Only now seeing who of your targets is online is not possible without the intervention of the locator. This is why i think as an attacker special information should be fed to us, at the same time information should be fed to the defender. not expeciting information consisting of war and peace but something like a small snipped every 5 minutes- Attacker corp-XYZ 1 online - system Defender War target entering system (# jumps from you) or something It looks like CCP are going to do something with Observatory Structures if you look atthe reply given by CCP, so you might get your wish. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6550204#post6550204 COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
Lord Razpataz Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 379	Posted - 2016.07.06 15:36:10 - [228] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Doc J wrote: Blanket war decs are not the result of the removal of watchlist. Many of the merc corps were already blanket deccing. Only now seeing who of your targets is online is not possible without the intervention of the locator. This is why i think as an attacker special information should be fed to us, at the same time information should be fed to the defender. not expeciting information consisting of war and peace but something like a small snipped every 5 minutes- Attacker corp-XYZ 1 online - system Defender War target entering system (# jumps from you) or something It looks like CCP are going to do something with Observatory Structures if you look atthe reply given by CCP, so you might get your wish. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6550204#post6550204 Here.. we are not getting a dev post about watchlist topic, apparently I'm free to link/spam CCP Lebowski your ideas.. I still think a dev post about the issues with removal of watchlist and ask the community how to fix it would be a better solution.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1888	Posted - 2016.07.06 15:41:47 - [229] - Quote Lord Razpataz wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Doc J wrote: Blanket war decs are not the result of the removal of watchlist. Many of the merc corps were already blanket deccing. Only now seeing who of your targets is online is not possible without the intervention of the locator. This is why i think as an attacker special information should be fed to us, at the same time information should be fed to the defender. not expeciting information consisting of war and peace but something like a small snipped every 5 minutes- Attacker corp-XYZ 1 online - system Defender War target entering system (# jumps from you) or something It looks like CCP are going to do something with Observatory Structures if you look atthe reply given by CCP, so you might get your wish. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6550204#post6550204 Here.. we are not getting a dev post about watchlist topic, apparently I'm free to link/spam CCP Lebowski your ideas.. I still think a dev post about the issues with removal of watchlist and ask the community how to fix it would be a better solution. Yes, but they have direct contact with you which is actually rather good. I do think they will go the route of OS, but that could be wishful thinking on my part. Good luck. COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
Lord Razpataz Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 379	Posted - 2016.07.06 16:17:21 - [230] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Yes, but they have direct contact with you which is actually rather good. I do think they will go the route of OS, but that could be wishful thinking on my part. Good luck. Well... who said anything about me linking him your idea? I just feel its wrong in the same reasons this watchlist change was implemented in the first place, ccp listen only to a select few.. I'll have to go trough the different threads and find some links for him then and try not to be biased.
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 419	Posted - 2016.07.06 16:38:43 - [231] - Quote Doc J wrote: Blanket war decs are not the result of the removal of watchlist. No, but the rapid increase in them certainly was. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1888	Posted - 2016.07.06 16:39:08 - [232] - Quote Lord Razpataz wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Yes, but they have direct contact with you which is actually rather good. I do think they will go the route of OS, but that could be wishful thinking on my part. Good luck. Well... who said anything about me linking him your idea? I just feel its wrong in the same reasons this watchlist change was implemented in the first place, ccp listen only to a select few.. I'll have to go trough the different threads and find some links for him then and try not to be biased. I am sure you will do fine, some others on this thread maybe not... COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
Dirty Forum Alt Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 134	Posted - 2016.07.06 16:49:06 - [233] - Quote I think the only fair and unbiased solution is that when I declare war on a corp/alliance part of the wardec mechanic should be that I get a new tab on my corp interface that shows me a full list of targets, their online status or when they last logged in, their exact current location, and their current active ship (basically what the ceo/directors see for their corp members, but for war targets). This list should also be live-updated, not delayed. I think that would eliminate all complaints from the mercenary community.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 8250	Posted - 2016.07.06 17:27:36 - [234] - Quote Dirty Forum Alt wrote: I think the only fair and unbiased solution is that when I declare war on a corp/alliance part of the wardec mechanic should be that I get a new tab on my corp interface that shows me a full list of targets, their online status or when they last logged in, their exact current location, and their current active ship (basically what the ceo/directors see for their corp members, but for war targets). This list should also be live-updated, not delayed. I think that would eliminate all complaints from the mercenary community. The above is about as likely to happen as Doc's three-way with Jennifer Lawrence and Emma Stone. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4938	Posted - 2016.07.06 17:28:14 - [235] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Valkin Mordirc wrote: I don't think anybody was intending to say that Blanket decs only came up after the watchlist changes, blanket decs like Marmite, Archetype and specially Pirate and VMG are obviously still a thing. Only that are becoming more prevalent due to the Watchlist being removed. And that that style of play, of Mass Dec and watch the trade routes is possible thing to do, it's the only convenient way to run a Mercenary Alliance. Hunters are no longer hunters, just roamers for the most part. And that we told you so. I would agree it was not the intent for Shae to say that, it was the use of "direct response" that made it ambiguous making it possible to interpret it as being that, that was obviously meant to say the surge after the watch list removal, which could be just as much as a "We told you so" in terms of result which is an attempt to get CCP to change their policy. Only if one is being deliberately obtuse would one interpret it that way. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4938	Posted - 2016.07.06 17:30:36 - [236] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Dracvlad wrote: I would agree it was not the intent for Shae to say that, it was the use of "direct response" that made it ambiguous Don't give me so much credit. It was just your inability to read a whole sentence. I am not giving you any credit, I think you were being disingenuous This is called 'projection'. It's also called 'irony'. The last time I saw projection and irony in one sentence, it was from... nvm, you don't wanna know. You are being disingenuous by trying to pretend that Shae said something Shae never ever ever said, nor implied, asserted, claimed, etc etc. It was your reading comprehension/ignorance/both and yours ALONE that was to blame here. Really? I just call it lying. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 4938	Posted - 2016.07.06 17:31:45 - [237] - Quote Doc J wrote: Blanket war decs are not the result of the removal of watchlist. Many of the merc corps were already blanket deccing. Nobody has made the argument you are trying to shoot down, at least not Shae. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 1888	Posted - 2016.07.06 17:34:37 - [238] - Quote Duplicate COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
Aaron Stain Syndicate 399	Posted - 2016.07.06 20:57:59 - [239] - Quote LMAO....Dracvlad calling me ignorant? I'll illustrate exactly how ignorant Drac is. Drac showed me a video of 2 men arguing, I remember commenting on what the black guy said to the white guy, then Dracvlad goes off on one "Aaron!!, that's not a black man it's an indian man" i reply telling Drac that being a blackman myself I think I should be able to identify one. You guessed it, Drac didn't agree and continued thinking it was an indian man, No matter what I said or reasoned he simply wouldn't have it, he even tried changing the convo up. I go off comms in disbelief, at this point I sought assistance from the mrs and asked her to watch the video, "yeah, thats a black guy" I burst out laughing, then so does the mrs when I explain that dracvlad thought it was an indian man. Your perception stinks of ignorance Drac, and I have no idea why these good folk are even bothering to reply to your non-sense, Jenn has dealt with you properly and I fully understand why. Someone like you is poisonous to any venture anyone is doing within Eve, Some people actually take you seriously which is a problem. Be boring Drac, spend the rest of your experience in Hi sec and on these forums moaning about game design, that's all you got. LOL, you actually think you're in any position to comment on my fleet commanding? FYI, I had only just started fleet commanding when I did the 1st Hub Zero, I was still learning, but of course that wasn't good enough for you was it, you need perfection in a fleet commander from the very beginning. You never understood that Hub Zero is like a colonization attempt, any true scifi fan knows that colonization always has lots of problems and never goes smoothly. Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony The Wraithguard. 374	Posted - 2016.07.06 22:44:06 - [240] - Quote ?????? Posted in the wrong thread or did a chunk of it get moderated out? You want to war dec indians? Smoke weed everyday yea?

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