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QwaarJet Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:07:00 - [151] Quote: I am dissapointed the community doesn't respect our decision no matter if they thing it's wrong What did you expect? It's a ridiculous move, even by your standards, Varban. I believe you didn't take any money for this, I just believe the decision was purely based on stupidity and naivity. You honestly have no idea how big the Tidal Force of reds coming your way will be. It saddens me that an alliance I hold so dear to my heart has done this. The only thing I can see in the future for Chorus Of Dawn is certain death. I hope this whole thing ends before we get to that though. I will, however wish you good luck. Because you'll need it. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:14:00 - [152] Originally by: Varban II Edited by: Varban II on 07/03/2007 14:43:22 As sliver said it, it's been long since we have lived with d2 and iron. Sure we had residence but we hadn't used it. We moved in CR and helped defend CR. Now we want to do something, as allies to -y- we can do so, but we also want to maintain the facts that it was our decision to join the war not on bob's side nor d2's side. We joined it on our side and -y-'s side. We were looking for ways to expand and -y- made a call on us as allies to help them. Our relations with D2 and IRON had decayed due to lack of maintenance from both parties. We were settling in CR and they were busy with their own agendas. I understand people are upset that we joined a war vs the north. But this is how things work you join a war based on your interests and your terms. Our interests and commitments are to -Y- at the moment. Tomorrow they will change, this not a static process, things change. Anwyay I can only hope one good thing of this thread is to take all the smack away from local.I am dissapointed the community doesn't respect our decision no matter if they thing it's wrong. EDIT: Pargraphing Perhaps phrasing your war declaration in a manner that bad mouthed not just D2 but also everyone else in the North.....might be the reason for the negative reaction you received. People might have been a lot more understanding if you'd just said you were sticking by your friends. Unfortunately, this one forum thread is probably going to be the reason your alliance will cease to exist soon. People in eve hold grudges ... very few forgive and even fewer forget. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Erikel Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:23:00 - [153] Holy batman, the amount of useless drivel in this thread makes me wonder if the WOW servers are down.
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.07 16:32:00 - [154] Originally by: Erikel Holy batman, the amount of useless drivel in this thread makes me wonder if the WOW servers are down. Didn't it start with an OP calling others exploiters of residents, arrogant and other not-so-nice words, and after that going "lol, just a game". If he wanted to post an RP statement, he could have gone to the Summit part of the forums. Instead, we have CoD people talking about "respect to old friends", yet at the same time the northern alliances are called exploiters of residents, arrogant etc. No wonder they are upset, regardless that it is "just a game".
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.07 16:57:00 - [155] Why would you?... I mean.. err .. nevermind. Im not the one to complain about more targets. I just feel bad for all the people who spoke up for you. P.S. Respect to those who left CoD before they made this "decision".
MrLobster Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:03:00 - [156] With all this talk of BoB's wallet leading us to fight D2, I want my piece of the pie!! 0.o You do realise were all gonna die anyway.... ______ Catch the Pigeon!
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:11:00 - [157] BoB are the ultimate meta-gamers, they are now playing the mind meta-game.
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:54:00 - [158] Originally by: MrLobster With all this talk of BoB's wallet leading us to fight D2, I want my piece of the pie!! 0.o You do realise were all gonna die anyway.... Yes, Molle let us know that a couple weeks ago. Thanks for the reminder, though. :) Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer Proud member of the Customer Service Coalition.
DTee The Huns	Posted - 2007.03.07 18:01:00 - [159] Edited by: DTee on 07/03/2007 18:02:06 Looks like its a bad time to be a supoerpower. I am quite impressed by the complete domination of 1 single conflict on the whole of eve. This will certainly go down in history and will change the face of EVE forever. Also, It seems like the odds are piling up on the BoB side. If one entity big enough makes a move on D2 homeland. I am certain it will divert their attention, giving BoB space to move forces elsewhere. Not that BoB is being strained at the moment (their killboard). On another (funnier) note: Pets are for life, not just for christmas. Disclaimer: These are my personal views, they do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 18:15:00 - [160] Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 07/03/2007 18:21:16 Originally by: Varban II Edited by: Varban II on 07/03/2007 14:43:22 As sliver said it, it's been long since we have lived with d2 and iron. Sure we had residence but we hadn't used it. We moved in CR and helped defend CR. Now we want to do something, as allies to -y- we can do so, but we also want to maintain the facts that it was our decision to join the war not on bob's side nor d2's side. We joined it on our side and -y-'s side. We were looking for ways to expand and -y- made a call on us as allies to help them. Our relations with D2 and IRON had decayed due to lack of maintenance from both parties. We were settling in CR and they were busy with their own agendas. I understand people are upset that we joined a war vs the north. But this is how things work you join a war based on your interests and your terms. Our interests and commitments are to -Y- at the moment. Tomorrow they will change, this not a static process, things change. Anwyay I can only hope one good thing of this thread is to take all the smack away from local.I am dissapointed the community doesn't respect our decision no matter if they thing it's wrong. EDIT: Pargraphing I have highlighted the important part of this post and trust that everyone will heed these words accordingly. No one does anything, whether it be alliance, corporation or member, that does not, in the end, lead to some benefit for the person or entity. If this were not the case, folks would simply not participate. You should also realize that "self-interest" is not always about isk or territory. It may be as simple as having "fun". Sadly, the rational thinkers have been relegated to the background in the current conflict between BoB and allies and the Coalition. This phenomena, which is all to glaring in the Eve Community, leads to the following admission by Coalition membership: Originally by: Maltere Originally by: Cervantes DeMuerte Originally by: Maltere . . . You all claim to be ridding EvE of BoB because they are making this game terrible yet the majority of the ridiculous and immature statements are coming form the northern groups. Sweet Irony the majority of ridiculous and immature statements are only coming from the north because bob arent allowed on the forums to post them themselves Translation: We are justified in making ridiculous and immature statements because BoB would if they were allowed to post. Does the make sense to any rational thinking human being? Since when does one perceived wrong make a separate wrong right? Since when did modeling bad behavior become the "right" thing to do? I think that BoB not posting speaks volumes about their actual maturity level. The current postings by a majority of Coalition members on these various war topics likewise speaks volumes about the Coalition's actual maturity level. Just maybe it is this attitude that is currently causing allies to turn on each other in the North? Mayhaps D2 and friends were successful in suppressing this kind of attitude until they got to the point where they thought they had the upper hand in this conflict? Possibly their forum postings helped fuel the flames that now seem to be swirling around them? Sadly, what we have seen in this thread, the YouWhat thread, and several others over the past few weeks, is a Coalition (with some exceptions, as there always are) being driven by an entity, D2, that portrays itself (apparently including the referenced back door deals of promising occpied friendly blue space to others) as "ridiculous and immature", and blatantly admits it. In the end we all reap what we sow. This is true in real life and in gaming. D2 and friends are now, apparently, reaping their rewards. Respect to Varban II for telling it like it is. GL and HF to everyone, but please, keep the "ridiculous and immature" posting out of it. Edit: I hate it when notepad screws with the fonts.
Terapie Mucho Dolor The Insomniacs	Posted - 2007.03.07 18:19:00 - [161] Can`t say it was unexpected.If you wanted to keep it a secret you are lousy at hiding it. See you in space,we will do our best so that you pay for your betrail! Now let`s do the cha-cha!
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 18:36:00 - [162] Originally by: DTee It seems like D2 has pets, thats not what htey call them. They also let them have claims on the map, but they are treated just like pets. So what the real difference? The difference DTee, is that in the south we get called pets, but we're treated just like people. Go figure. Blog
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:11:00 - [163] Originally by: Terapie Can`t say it was unexpected.If you wanted to keep it a secret you are lousy at hiding it. See you in space,we will do our best so that you pay for your betrail! Now let`s do the cha-cha! There are no secrets in EVE. even if the rank & file dont know something is happening their leaders will. Given how impossibly easy it is to leak infomation in this game the moment more then 1 person knows about something its as good as public
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:34:00 - [164] Originally by: Avernus Originally by: DTee It seems like D2 has pets, thats not what htey call them. They also let them have claims on the map, but they are treated just like pets. So what the real difference? The difference DTee, is that in the south we get called pets, but we're treated just like people. Go figure. Slaves are people
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:40:00 - [165] Originally by: Spang This is my opinion but, perhaps these alliances that have turned on D2 because of the total veto D2 seems to have in the north. while I lived up there it seemed every little bloody decision had to go through D2. These alliances might want to get out of the shadow of D2 and perhaps claim some space of their own in the future. Rather then be stuck with whatever ****ty space D2 has seen fit to "let them live in". I left the north because of D2's elitist attitude, maybe some others feel the same way. Not the opinion of my corp or alliance, but my OWN. I can't tell for sure about the other alliances, but D2 has never told IRON what to do. If something needs to get done, our leaders talk to eachother, find out what the best course of action is, and we just do it. Besides, ever tried ordering IRON around? I think NFC tried a few months ago, and everyone knows what happend to them.
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Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.03.07 20:23:00 - [167] LOL this makes no sense at all 1. Dude says his alliance is war deccing D2 because they are treated as slaves 2. d2s friends flame him for lying 3. he claims he was just RPing and didnt mean it 4. FIX jumps in to defend his stance even tho he has no stance 5. dude then claims he's just supporting -Y- 6. Other random BoB suppoerters say D2 are oppressive 7. Dude then says he never even been in D2 space and that he's been hanging out in CR 8. FIX again jumps in and starts smacking about D2 oppressive regime in teh north 9. End result: OP looks like a fool and FIX look like idiots. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 20:35:00 - [168] Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 07/03/2007 20:32:16 Originally by: Darken Two LOL this makes no sense at all 1. Dude says his alliance is war deccing D2 because they are treated as slaves 2. d2s friends flame him for lying 3. he claims he was just RPing and didnt mean it 4. FIX jumps in to defend his stance even tho he has no stance 5. dude then claims he's just supporting -Y- 6. Other random BoB suppoerters say D2 are oppressive 7. Dude then says he never even been in D2 space and that he's been hanging out in CR 8. FIX again jumps in and starts smacking about D2 oppressive regime in teh north 9. End result: OP looks like a fool and FIX look like idiots. Amazing how you twist a statement about telling the truth about self-interest into this. Shame really.
Erikel Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.07 20:39:00 - [169] Originally by: Darken Two LOL this makes no sense at all 1. Dude says his alliance is war deccing D2 because they are treated as slaves 2. d2s friends flame him for lying 3. he claims he was just RPing and didnt mean it 4. FIX jumps in to defend his stance even tho he has no stance 5. dude then claims he's just supporting -Y- 6. Other random BoB suppoerters say D2 are oppressive 7. Dude then says he never even been in D2 space and that he's been hanging out in CR 8. FIX again jumps in and starts smacking about D2 oppressive regime in teh north 9. End result: OP looks like a fool and FIX look like idiots. 10. You show up and give us proof you can't read.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 20:52:00 - [170] Originally by: Erikel Originally by: Darken Two LOL this makes no sense at all 1. Dude says his alliance is war deccing D2 because they are treated as slaves 2. d2s friends flame him for lying 3. he claims he was just RPing and didnt mean it 4. FIX jumps in to defend his stance even tho he has no stance 5. dude then claims he's just supporting -Y- 6. Other random BoB suppoerters say D2 are oppressive 7. Dude then says he never even been in D2 space and that he's been hanging out in CR 8. FIX again jumps in and starts smacking about D2 oppressive regime in teh north 9. End result: OP looks like a fool and FIX look like idiots. 10. You show up and give us proof you can't read. Ok, show me where you get the proof in this thread about FIX defending CoD or FIX saying D2 has an oppressive regime? Apparently you cannot read, sir.
Zaltor Kabalen Amarr O.R.C. Outrage Compliant	Posted - 2007.03.07 21:00:00 - [171] Originally by: Liinn When these plannes were beening talked about we left Chorus of Dawn. Our corp have been a Fade resident corp since before d2, since before our PA times... This corp is as old as our Fade residensy... This is nothing we can accept. D2 (and former G) have been good friends to us. We moved to the new regions but some members stayed back in fade. They wanted a place to PvP . While we like the time we stayed in Chorus we can not accept this. Some of our members will go to Fade to get some pvp training. Chours is therfore now set to Negative to easy show who to kill. I hope we all can talk after the fights and have fun. After all... Its a game . Good luck to both sides.... but most to our... /Liinn CEO HRAT ORC felt the same way. D2 has always been nice to us for the most part.. We never hear anything about them. We're pretty much out of a home now and are moving different assets to empire and other areas of space now.. Talk about a diplomatic nightmare.
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.03.07 21:00:00 - [172] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Erikel Originally by: Darken Two LOL this makes no sense at all 1. Dude says his alliance is war deccing D2 because they are treated as slaves 2. d2s friends flame him for lying 3. he claims he was just RPing and didnt mean it 4. FIX jumps in to defend his stance even tho he has no stance 5. dude then claims he's just supporting -Y- 6. Other random BoB suppoerters say D2 are oppressive 7. Dude then says he never even been in D2 space and that he's been hanging out in CR 8. FIX again jumps in and starts smacking about D2 oppressive regime in teh north 9. End result: OP looks like a fool and FIX look like idiots. 10. You show up and give us proof you can't read. Ok, show me where you get the proof in this thread about FIX defending CoD or FIX saying D2 has an oppressive regime? Apparently you cannot read, sir. Oh no Mr. Semantics is here and he's attacking me with WORDS.....the horror. My post is simple enough to understand. The guy makes a post flaming D2 for no reason, then finds out that he old friends flame the crap outta him for that....quickly backtracks and claims he was joking...further flamage from all sides including FIX and various BoB pets who have prolly not even seen the north let alone know whats going on... and finally as his final justification for the war, dude says he hasn't even been in a D2 controlled territory in a long long time.... thereby negating all the anti-D2 crap spewed by the various BoB supporters...making him look like a fool and you like idiots for supporting a cause he never had in the first place. Clear enough now......or do I have to make an audio book or something? Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Zaltor Kabalen Amarr O.R.C. Outrage Compliant	Posted - 2007.03.07 21:06:00 - [173] kicks on the trolling motor and goes phishin' Thread slowly.. getting.. more.. retarded.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 21:33:00 - [174] Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Originally by: Erikel Originally by: Darken Two LOL this makes no sense at all 1. Dude says his alliance is war deccing D2 because they are treated as slaves 2. d2s friends flame him for lying 3. he claims he was just RPing and didnt mean it 4. FIX jumps in to defend his stance even tho he has no stance 5. dude then claims he's just supporting -Y- 6. Other random BoB suppoerters say D2 are oppressive 7. Dude then says he never even been in D2 space and that he's been hanging out in CR 8. FIX again jumps in and starts smacking about D2 oppressive regime in teh north 9. End result: OP looks like a fool and FIX look like idiots. 10. You show up and give us proof you can't read. Ok, show me where you get the proof in this thread about FIX defending CoD or FIX saying D2 has an oppressive regime? Apparently you cannot read, sir. Oh no Mr. Semantics is here and he's attacking me with WORDS.....the horror. My post is simple enough to understand. The guy makes a post flaming D2 for no reason, then finds out that he old friends flame the crap outta him for that....quickly backtracks and claims he was joking...further flamage from all sides including FIX and various BoB pets who have prolly not even seen the north let alone know whats going on... and finally as his final justification for the war, dude says he hasn't even been in a D2 controlled territory in a long long time.... thereby negating all the anti-D2 crap spewed by the various BoB supporters...making him look like a fool and you like idiots for supporting a cause he never had in the first place. Clear enough now......or do I have to make an audio book or something? Where is the FIX flamage in this thread? And once you answer that one, please go back to your original numbers 4 and 8 and show me what I asked you for, FIX jumping in to defend CoD and FIX again jumping in and smack talking about D2 being an oppressive regime? I humbly await your replies.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.03.07 21:49:00 - [175] perhaps they just realized that the northern alliances aren't making any progress after 2+ weeks as they claimed they would. The cheers of "OMG BoB/Xelas/FiX/etc IS DEAD!" aren't being shouted anymore. D2 has pulled back in fountain, the offensive in Querious is in retreat and lost all important holdings, and in delve it's just a bunch of raiders not attempting any sov claims. Perhaps it wouldn't of been a bad idea for all those enthusiastic northern zealots to stop and think "wait, this is going to be hard" before shouting as victors in a war that had just started. Of course then it wouldn't be so entertaining and gratifying to see them sulk back into their holes in the north after the fact. Look, there are holes in your bandwagon. Welcome aboard CoD.
defektiv Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.03.07 22:02:00 - [176] Originally by: Troubadour perhaps they just realized that the northern alliances aren't making any progress after 2+ weeks as they claimed they would. The cheers of "OMG BoB/Xelas/FiX/etc IS DEAD!" aren't being shouted anymore. D2 has pulled back in fountain, the offensive in Querious is in retreat and lost all important holdings, and in delve it's just a bunch of raiders not attempting any sov claims. Perhaps it wouldn't of been a bad idea for all those enthusiastic northern zealots to stop and think "wait, this is going to be hard" before shouting as victors in a war that had just started. Of course then it wouldn't be so entertaining and gratifying to see them sulk back into their holes in the north after the fact. Look, there are holes in your bandwagon. Welcome aboard CoD. reminds me of another premature prediction.. Linkage ----- ..I think it's time, for a little bit of change.
LordSlay Them Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.07 22:58:00 - [177] Originally by: Troubadour perhaps they just realized that the northern alliances aren't making any progress after 2+ weeks as they claimed they would. The cheers of "OMG BoB/Xelas/FiX/etc IS DEAD!" aren't being shouted anymore. D2 has pulled back in fountain, the offensive in Querious is in retreat and lost all important holdings, and in delve it's just a bunch of raiders not attempting any sov claims. Perhaps it wouldn't of been a bad idea for all those enthusiastic northern zealots to stop and think "wait, this is going to be hard" before shouting as victors in a war that had just started. Of course then it wouldn't be so entertaining and gratifying to see them sulk back into their holes in the north after the fact. Look, there are holes in your bandwagon. Welcome aboard CoD. kekeke thats funny, i mean correct me if im wrong but... LV died, and lost a titan doing it. FIX got snapped in half these past two months from stupid decissions and crap leadership as well as lack of support from BoB. Sounds like a few accomplishments to me... Now then, D2 have "retreated" from Bobbit land for reasons which a few know, many dont. HINT: think on a strategic lvl, not one thats like "omg, D2 pulled out their scarded of teh bohb.." Quereious division has not come to a halt. FIX has...but not the coalition. Just because we dont POS spam for 3 days does not mean we have given up... Think people. Dont smack...think. Now we have this crap going on up north we have to deal with, now we got a 5 front war...sheesh. Good thing is CoD are panzies, and are always trying to gank in EC-. Never seen em anywhere else besides EC- or a belt. But like i said in a post before, no matter what happens to bob, these guys and youtubewhat? will be crushed. To Youtubewhat leadership: think before you act dude and dudets...cause your about to have the smack down laid on ya... It's great being Amarr isn't it.
defektiv Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:39:00 - [178] Originally by: LordSlay Them kekeke thats funny, i mean correct me if im wrong but... LV died, and lost a titan doing it. FIX got snapped in half these past two months from stupid decissions and crap leadership as well as lack of support from BoB. Sounds like a few accomplishments to me... Now then, D2 have "retreated" from Bobbit land for reasons which a few know, many dont. HINT: think on a strategic lvl, not one thats like "omg, D2 pulled out their scarded of teh bohb.." Quereious division has not come to a halt. FIX has...but not the coalition. Just because we dont POS spam for 3 days does not mean we have given up... Think people. Dont smack...think. Now we have this crap going on up north we have to deal with, now we got a 5 front war...sheesh. Good thing is CoD are panzies, and are always trying to gank in EC-. Never seen em anywhere else besides EC- or a belt. But like i said in a post before, no matter what happens to bob, these guys and youtubewhat? will be crushed. To Youtubewhat leadership: think before you act dude and dudets...cause your about to have the smack down laid on ya... your statements are flawed both by your own logic and from contradicting statements from the very people you are speculating against. on onme hand you tell people to think before speaking about the state of D2, yet you open the post speculating about the condition of opposing alliances, in fact contradicting the very things they repeatedly post. your intentions are then highlighted by the occasional poke at the competition. wether d2s moves were strategic or forced upon them are a matter of debate, i'm sure.. i won't pretend to know much about it. the double standard you are so willing to illustrate here doesnt give much credit to any points you are attempting to make, tho. ----- ..I think it's time, for a little bit of change.
s4mp3r0r ZiTek Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.03.08 00:03:00 - [179] another alliance sides with the devsploiters, good move. Quote: I wish i could tell you more but I was sworn to absolute secrecy!
Varban II Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.08 00:05:00 - [180] I'd like this thread to be closed. It has sidetracked and overachieved its purpose. To all those who posted here, on behalf of Chorus of Dawn thanks for taking part in the CORUS experiment. We will publish our results as soon as we are done analysing. Have a lovely day. Regards, Kind V2 Everyone has the right to be stupid. Some people just abuse that privilege!

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