The positive security status generally denotes trust, but that can be deceptive. People can be pirate even with 5.0 sec status,

they just grind it back up as quick as possible/simply coincidentally by ratting.

Consider it "bay boy" credits, that are paid for by shooting what Concord wants dead,

much like with war dec's Concord turn a blind eye

and penalize those who do their objectives less than those who do nothing for them.

Ignore the like farmer

Calling someone as prolific and helpful as Ralph a 'like farmer' is incredibly disingenuous (not to mention insulting), and completely undermines the swill you peddle.

Beyond that, why should players be penalised for pvp again?

I personally wish your sec status effected concord response time if you where attacked. Zero being default, the closer to 5 you are the quicker they respond ( based off the security of the system) and the closer you are to -5 (or the magic number that makes you a criminal) the slower they respond. That would be kind of cool.

Thanks everyone for summing that up.

It's a shame that they don't do more with these systems in-game but I suppose there are a lot of other things that compensate for the slight irregularity systems they no longer have interest in!

I personally wish your sec status effected concord response time if you where attacked. Zero being default, the closer to 5 you are the quicker they respond ( based off the security of the system) and the closer you are to -5 (or the magic number that makes you a criminal) the slower they respond. That would be kind of cool.

but again, why penalize the pvp oriented players?

To you.

On the contrary, I think you've undermined your swill to everyone here.

the likes have gone to your heads

I think if you honestly believe this then there is a fundamental disconnect going on in your reasoning somewhere.

My point was that Ralph's contributions - feel free to look back through his posting history - have a consistency of being honest, straightforward, and helpful (if sometimes amusingly irreverent). Just take a look back through a random selection of NCQ&A threads, to get a taste.


I'm speaking to you from the position of being able to see the tangible results of his posts, not from the position of defending a fellow 'like farmer'. There is nothing to suggest in his first post that self-aggrandisement was in play.


I found the post you're referring to.


This is what you're so upset about. Given that your OP in that thread was fairly meandering and full of anecdotes, is it unreasonable to assume that some people would value succinctness over verbosity? I'm not saying it was badly written (it's not), but your response to him was way over the top - especially as what you posted was basically a rant.

By shutting him down automatically in this thread, based on what he posted in that thread (with no regard to this thread's post's content), you really are no better than the 'the forum warrior brotherhood' you despise.

Ill give you that, i was expecting a lock for a rant and miss judged, my fault for skim reading.
I still think its a silly point to stick on though, sort of like arguing that the at ships are imballanced.

Thanks for what you said here, perhaps I misjudged you too. I don't rant, I am very careful with what I post and take time to think about it.

Well sec status is a usable commodity in a sense. The only reason try to keep my sec status high is so i can go into lowsec and shoot people if i want. The higher your sec status the more "points" you have to spend on pointless missile barages on mission runners in lowsec before you have to worry about the cops when you fly back to "civilized" society.

I havnt done any pvp in awhile and im probably at care bear status right now. Ive always hated letting a juicy target go because i realized my sec status couldnt take the hit and had to go home.

Otherwise its useless. And the local police npcs are the only thing it effects. They should make it matter againm i was grinding standings with an alt so i could anchor pos's for people and was just about there the same time they removed the limitation. I was a little pissed. Same goes with scc. It will just get more pointless before it makes a difference.

Calling someone as prolific and helpful as Ralph a 'like farmer' is incredibly disingenuous (not to mention insulting), and completely undermines the swill you peddle.

OP - no benefits (either now or in the foreseeable future, I'm afraid), but I believe that at one point it was possible to get 5.5 positive sec status through a COSMOS mission, IIRC...a true badge for the real carebear!

The sec status gains above 5.0 were still implemented last time I checked and there are two missions you can do ONCE in your eve career, like the COSMOS agents, that will reward you with that above 5.0 standings. Afaik you dont get anything other than the epeen badge of ultimate carebearism though. And if you lose that sec you will never get it back.

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It just seems to me like we should be getting a significant bounty increase or enhanced drop rate, something that impacts mission runners in a way that keeps them in hisec forever.

To you.

Ive known quite a few people that did this as an isk service over the years. Back when one guy did it I think he got almost 200mil at that time, it was more before hand of course for brand new POS anchoring corps. Make corp with a cool name, wait 7 days for standings to kick in and hand over to an alt for isk with 0 standings and boom you could go anchor your POSs.

Most people dont care if they go full on pirate but a lot of people dont do the faction missions running L4s for exactly this reason so as not to lock themselves out of space and content. In the end its the same with sec status locking you out of areas. Yes some get a bit too uptight about it and now with dedicated alts its not nearly as bad as it was before. It was ironically the same thing with clone grades stopping certain alts from partaking in different activities. In the end it is about choices but Id love to see some changes there, yet again its not high priority for the "base" game which is all about pew pew and moar pew pew and epeen waving.

But its a nice way to spend all that isk, stuff and standings you get every now and again by shooting someone in the face here and there. And frankly I wish more people would do it. I know people sure wish I would undock more and pew pew.... or maybe just be their friend.... or something.... Too late for that tbh.

Ralph KG doesn't farm likes. His good mind, pithy/appropriate words, and good insight get him those likes.

But mostly LAGL

i will hurt you if i can find you.

i will hurt you if i can find you.

Although I've always felt that loosing sec status in lowsec (other then podding) is kind of stupid because theres not any authorities out there to see it happen.

Most people have answered the questions posed already but Ill add my two cents.

Way back in the day you could go up to +10 standing as well as -10. But it was so easy to go into null and rat for a single day or two to get the standings back from -10 that CCP changed it to +5 and made rats count less to standings. Like others alluded to you could get positive standings for factions only so you could be +10 with all factions and have had the +10 standings with concord as well with all the enviable results. Reprocessing in stations was perfect at 6.66 corp standing status, POSs before the changes needed 8.0 standings to anchor in a 0.8 system, 7.0 for 0.7, etc and of course agents needed the required faction standings. These were all tied into concord standings as one and the same but again CCP took those and divided the two. Btw if you have low Concord standings avoid the Concord systems as they will do the same if you are KOS as if you committed a criminal act anywhere.

The sec status gains above 5.0 were still implemented last time I checked and there are two missions you can do ONCE in your eve career, like the COSMOS agents, that will reward you with that above 5.0 standings. Afaik you dont get anything other than the epeen badge of ultimate carebearism though. And if you lose that sec you will never get it back.

CCP has removed sec status and standings and their importance over the years and there is little to no reason to care anymore other than a slightly different playstyle. I like W33bl3's idea quite frankly to make it be a thing again. But the crying from the ganker crowd will put a sock in that fast. I also think that low sec needs to have way less of a standings hit for ships but not pods, but again I think this will fall on deaf ears.

I used to consider my sec status as a commodity that if not used was worthless. So I would go about until I was close to 5.0 and then go gank. You could get in about 6 or so ganks before you got near 0.0 again and then go on with your life. This changed when crimewatch came into effect as now you could sell your killrights. Before that knowing your target wouldnt ever come find you was most beneficial in selecting gank targets. But now they can sell your killright so its not as beneficial a commodity in the same way. But now of course theres so much isk having your own dedicated -10 gank alt is more a thing.... or having 2, 5 or 10 like some people out there do.

I would love to see it BE a commodity much like tags for sec. Have those with high sec extract and sell tags to those with low sec for isk as well. Or at least something. ANYTHING is better than what it is now. I used to matter and Id love to see stuff matter again. But I think like real life its just imaginary.

There is NO beneficial reason to have a higher sec status and it is a shame on CCPs part. But with so many of the player base crying about "REAL" issues that need fixing Im sure something like sec status and standings are likely on the **** pile of the totem pole over there far off to the left, no no way on back there over those mountain ranges, nope dont stop... clear across that ocean... yeaaah riiight about there.
So no I dont believe CCP will change it anytime soon besides making it easier for the masses like the anchoring POSs issue in high sec to cave to the nullbears thatd have to run missions!! OMG!! in high sec?!?! to get THAT much standings to put up a POS like the rest of the player base did so you can put up those compression arrays everywhere. But dedicated toons for ganking or whatever are just as common as dedicated mission runners, incursion runners or anom running. Ultimately people see work and effort and scream. To think in a game billed as deep and long term is too much most often. Hand it to me on a silver platter or let me just shoot them like fish in a barrel is more "fun" but sinks to the least common denominator factor.



Wow... yeah...that went way too long and kinda rantish at the end. LOL So Ill stop there now..... for now. no, no Ill never let you all off that easy.

I personally wish your sec status effected concord response time if you where attacked. Zero being default, the closer to 5 you are the quicker they respond ( based off the security of the system) and the closer you are to -5 (or the magic number that makes you a criminal) the slower they respond. That would be kind of cool.