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Dazs Haagen Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.07.13 00:43:13 - [1] - Quote What is the absolute best miner ship in the game used for mining right now?
Mephiztopheleze Laphroaig Inc. 787	Posted - 2016.07.13 00:50:25 - [2] - Quote The Venture. Fit with T2 Gas Harvesters in a high class Wormhole or 0.0 Gas site....... (i'm actually serious about this). Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 16828	Posted - 2016.07.13 00:52:41 - [3] - Quote Deoends what you are after There are three type of mining barge The one that mines the most The one that mines the fastest The one that dosent get ganked Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1523	Posted - 2016.07.13 01:22:54 - [4] - Quote Eve is a game about trade-offs and hard decisions. Pretty much everything in Eve has a situation where it is ideal and other situations where it is at an extreme disadvantage. So as the saying goes the best ship in Eve is friendship and that is true pretty much across the board. Now if you were to give some idea of how you planned on using the ship we could offer more specific advice.
Memphis Baas 1703	Posted - 2016.07.13 01:24:28 - [5] - Quote Depends on your definition of "best." Are you looking for maximum yield, maximum defenses against pirates, the ability to go into dangerous areas with cov-ops cloak, best (cheapest) price? As mentioned in the posts above, there are several mining ships, and each is intended for a different style of play. It's actually a recurring theme within EVE; all the ships have a purpose, which is why you see people still flying the most basic of frigates even though they're veterans and the game's been out for 10 years.
Sonya Corvinus Static-Noise Upholders 341	Posted - 2016.07.13 13:56:32 - [6] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: The Venture. Fit with T2 Gas Harvesters in a high class Wormhole or 0.0 Gas site....... (i'm actually serious about this). I'd second this. You can get 1 million ISK/cycle of your gas harvesters for a ship that costs maybe 9 million to replace.
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 432	Posted - 2016.07.13 14:33:42 - [7] - Quote Yup, 'best' needs to be defined before anyone can give you decent advice. Ships are purpose built to need. There is no all around 'best' ship for anything. There are ship builds that can handle everything mediocre-like, and you get that performance. There is only a 'best' when you define what you are trying to do. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Dirty Forum Alt Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 178	Posted - 2016.07.13 14:38:51 - [8] - Quote Ah the universal answer to every single question any new player has ever asked or will ever ask in EVE: "It depends..."
Memphis Baas 1707	Posted - 2016.07.13 15:46:57 - [9] - Quote Fine. "Hulk" is the answer. Go for it. Or "Venture", per Mephistopheleze.
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 983	Posted - 2016.07.13 19:20:53 - [10] - Quote I dunno. There has to be something to be said for the Veldnaught. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Dirty Forum Alt Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 180	Posted - 2016.07.13 19:22:03 - [11] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: I dunno. There has to be something to be said for the Veldnaught. Well it is certainly the most valuable mining ship in high sec... I suppose that could make it the best?
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 984	Posted - 2016.07.13 20:11:13 - [12] - Quote OP. The problem here is that EVE is not a progression game, it is an options game. It is like being asked to choose the best and the options are "shovel" "apple" "car" "raft" So the eve players are like, "What are you trying to do?" If you are hungry the apple is probably best, if you're going for resale value, a car is probably best... Mining boats are not about simply more. Some are better for mining certian things. Some have better defenses. Some are better at mining undetected or getting through gate camps safely. Are you mining solo or in a group. If in a group what role do you wish to play, one guy basically buffs the other miners with links and other options... My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 12556	Posted - 2016.07.13 21:11:49 - [13] - Quote Anything that mines the hulls of other ships is, IMO (and this is only my O), vastly preferable to any asteroid-violating craft. Give it a try, you may like it :) Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26318	Posted - 2016.07.13 21:17:11 - [14] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Anything that mines the hulls of other ships is, IMO (and this is only my O), vastly preferable to any asteroid-violating craft. Give it a try, you may like it :) Salvagers, a Minmatar warriors worst nightmare. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 12556	Posted - 2016.07.13 21:21:04 - [15] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Anything that mines the hulls of other ships is, IMO (and this is only my O), vastly preferable to any asteroid-violating craft. Give it a try, you may like it :) Salvagers, a Minmatar warriors worst nightmare. Q: How do you find a Minmatar ship in a junkyard? A: You don't; you just throw your arms up, shake your head, and walk away. Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 435	Posted - 2016.07.13 23:10:25 - [16] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Q: How do you find a Minmatar ship in a junkyard? A: You don't; you just throw your arms up, shake your head, and walk away. You need to change your Q: to "How do tell a starship junkyard and a Minimitar Fleet base apart?" Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26318	Posted - 2016.07.13 23:53:44 - [17] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Q: How do you find a Minmatar ship in a junkyard? A: You don't; you just throw your arms up, shake your head, and walk away. You need to change your Q: to "How do tell a starship junkyard and a Minimitar Fleet base apart?" Magnets, there's less rust in the junkyard. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1527	Posted - 2016.07.14 00:45:38 - [18] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: vastly preferable to any asteroid-violating craft. Listen! What happened between me and that veldspar asteroid was 100% consentual and I swear to Bob that I thought she was old enough.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 16845	Posted - 2016.07.14 01:19:13 - [19] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Q: How do you find a Minmatar ship in a junkyard? A: You don't; you just throw your arms up, shake your head, and walk away. You need to change your Q: to "How do tell a starship junkyard and a Minimitar Fleet base apart?" you shout "for the empire!" and wait for the artillery fire. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Cherri Minoa IronPig Sev3rance 178	Posted - 2016.07.14 08:41:29 - [20] - Quote As everyone says, there is no "right" answer except the one that's right for you. However, I'll give you an answer which may be right or wrong and you can decide. This what I fly when I want to do some mining, and if you train up for this (or a T1 fit equivalent) I don't think you'll go far wrong: [Procurer] [High] 1 x Strip Miner / Ice Harvester [Mid] Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Medium Shield Extender II [Low] Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II [Rigs] Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I [Drones] Hornet EC-300 x5 Acolyte II x5 The good stuff about that ship... - it has a massive battlecrusier size tank ( I get 67,764hp with my skills ) - it is relatively cheap, so it is not usually worth the effort of a ganker to kill it, and it is not a massive loss if it does die - it will tank virtually any rats - the combat drones will kill rats, the ECM drones give you a chance to escape hostile pilots The negative... - it doesn't have the highest yield ... but if you factor in the replacement cost of squishy high yield ships that is not so important But, the best advice ever is ... test all the stuff and find what works for you. "If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson
Sabriz Adoudel Move along there is nothing here 5866	Posted - 2016.07.14 09:29:17 - [21] - Quote As my signature will attest to, I'm part of a group that goes around hunting mining ships in highsec and blowing them up. I also sell mining ships, to ensure that targets have access to replacement equipment at a price that I find acceptable (to me). From our perspective in the New Order, we will prioritize killing a Hulk over everything else. Mackinaws are a close second. Then Retrievers, Covetors, Prospects, Endurances and Skiffs are about equal (a Skiff is a preferred target over the other four but it's much harder to kill, we usually need 7 to 15 pilots to hit one and if we have that critical mass we'd usually rather hit Orcas and/or Freighters). Procurers and Ventures are the ones we bother least with. Now you have no reason to trust me, but people who aren't gankers will probably chime in and verify this information is accurate. As a side note, a low skilled new player absolutely CAN blow up mining ships for fun and profit - a humble Atron with very cheap fittings can kill a Venture, Prospect or Endurance before the space police turn up. You'll have to deal with the wrath of the law (including a 15 minute 'ban' from highsec) but there can be ISK made doing this. I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
Kitty Bear Harbingers of Chaos Inc Brute Force Solutions 1552	Posted - 2016.07.14 12:59:55 - [22] - Quote As mentioned already "it depends". Generally Mining Frigate -> Specialised Frigate Mining Barge -> Exhumer How do you tell which is best? Each ship has a Role Bonus If you are doing that specific thing, then it is the best choice for that task. e.g. Your joining some space-friends to join in on a mining-op take a Covetor or Hulk Your solo mining, being ganked could be an issue take a Procurer or Skiff Your solo mining, being ganked might be unlikely take a somethingorother or Mackinaw Mining ships are not built for combat, you can fill every rig-slot, low-slot & mid-slot with tanking modules and if someone comes along to poke it with a stick --- you're still going to be sat in a wet paper bag.
Memphis Baas 1712	Posted - 2016.07.14 13:16:10 - [23] - Quote And just to re-iterate, you can get killed "for the glory", which actually means if they use a ship that costs them 600k to kill your 80 million mining barge, even if the Concord police comes and punishes them by destroying their ship, it still looks good on the killboards that they use to track PVP rankings and see who's best. Plus, your 80 million mining barge may drop some of those expensive mining lasers in the wreck it leaves behind, and even a single 3 million ISK mining laser can refund their 600k ship 5 times over. So, high-sec is not safe, and "best" depends.
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 436	Posted - 2016.07.14 15:39:22 - [24] - Quote I'm smelling a lot of bovine fecal matter going on here. Don't worry about suicide gankers. They are very rare and if you can fit and fly a mining ship reasonably, they are mostly harmless. Your ship will have paid for itself long before you have someone of their stripes show up and even if you are patently unlucky, there are HiSec mining corps that actively hunt suicide gankers as well as full anti-ganking patrols. Join a corp. These guys have made a lot of enemies in HiSec so it's actually becoming a little safer to mine, at least from my observations. I used to see CODE ships on occasion when I flew around, now I rarely see them. Your best defense is to learn how to fly combat ships and know that if a ganker actually succeeds against your mining ship, you can tag them and either use their own tactics against them to set traps or just avoid them. Do not let the whack jobs in EVE dictate your playstyle. Just be aware they exist, learn their tactics and fly smart... and always get even. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Kaivarian Coste Beyond Imports and Exports 70	Posted - 2016.07.14 16:09:48 - [25] - Quote If you're after the ISKies, the Venture or Prospect. Low/null/WH gas is excellent ISK. I believe the best gas can earn you 90m/hr. But you'll need semi-decent scanning skills to find gas sites. You can also ninja mine mercoxit in WH ore sites, which make about 20-30m/hr, IIRC. The Endurance comes second. I haven't mined ice out in null, but in low sec, you can make about 25-30m/hr mining glare crust.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1536	Posted - 2016.07.14 17:03:42 - [26] - Quote Kaivarian Coste wrote: If you're after the ISKies, the Venture or Prospect. Low/null/WH gas is excellent ISK. I believe the best gas can earn you 90m/hr. But you'll need semi-decent scanning skills to find gas sites. You can also ninja mine mercoxit in WH ore sites, which make about 20-30m/hr, IIRC. The Endurance comes second. I haven't mined ice out in null, but in low sec, you can make about 25-30m/hr mining glare crust. I know that you asked about minning ships and also that this is a game and therefore isk/hour is not everything. However since you are a very new player I figured that I'd add some perspective. Null sec anomalies get a decently skill pilot easily 20 million bounty ticks and it can get upwards of 36 million if you are really trying to max it out. Bounty ticks are the payouts that concord makes and those only happen every 20 minutes so you multiply those numbers by 3 to get isk per hour. That of course only accounts for bounties and loot drops / salvage are not figured in. Belt ratting and pretty easily get you 6-8 million ticks which is 18-24 million per hour. Although typically when belt ratting you are more looking for faction drops than bounty ticks, which again are in addition to the bounty payouts. Of course while minning in a fully upgraded null sec system you can get faction spawns to drop in on you as well it will just be far less often than when you are warping belt to belt looking for them.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 16855	Posted - 2016.07.14 18:58:18 - [27] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: there are HiSec mining corps that actively hunt suicide gankers as well as full anti-ganking patrols. while true, they are (as a rule) hilariously bad at it. there have only been a handful of dedicated groups that were not wildly inept and im pretty sure none of them do it anymore. id say its a concern but far from a pressing one, just use a procurer and largely get ignored. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 436	Posted - 2016.07.14 19:55:54 - [28] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: while true, they are (as a rule) hilariously bad at it. there have only been a handful of dedicated groups that were not wildly inept and im pretty sure none of them do it anymore. id say its a concern but far from a pressing one, just use a procurer and largely get ignored. It's become something of a moot point with the bumping time maximum. Suicide ganking took some time to evolve, I'm sure the counter gank process will take time too. I wasn't saying anyone was good at PvP in HiSec either. Suicide ganking by definition is against defenseless targets so it's not like those pilots are any good at fighting either. I suspect it's like watching a bunch of drunks duke it out. Even Retrievers are fairly safe, and almost perfectly safe if you know what you are doing. That's why I'm in the camp it's more about how skilled the player and toon are rather than ship choice. I'd only fly a Covetor or Hulk in fleet operations. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 12565	Posted - 2016.07.14 20:20:37 - [29] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: It's become something of a moot point with the bumping time maximum. Suicide ganking took some time to evolve, I'm sure the counter gank process will take time too. Even a cursory glance at CODE.'s KB tells us that SG is still very much alive and well, bumping time notwithstanding (which is more of a concern when ganking freighters than ganking miners, though of course still relevant). Anti-ganking - IMO - won't and indeed can't evolve, as the necessary tools simply don't really exist, unless CCP drops them in the game somehow. You never know, though... However, I feel that, for the OP, it's good SOP to live and act in New Eden as if there is a persistent threat lurking. These skills are valuable and are never wasted time - awareness of one's environment, always being at the keyboard, aligned or orbiting, checking local, etc. etc. Regardless of whether the actual threat is real or not, it will always pay dividends to be aware, awake, and ready for trouble! Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Sonya Corvinus Static-Noise Upholders 346	Posted - 2016.07.14 20:54:22 - [30] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: It's become something of a moot point with the bumping time maximum. Suicide ganking took some time to evolve, I'm sure the counter gank process will take time too. Counter ganking will never really take off because there is no reward for doing it successfully. Helping a freighter/miner get away doesn't add to a killboard, doesn't give ISK, hell, you can't even prove you successfully did it if you aren't recording the video. People as a rule don't do anything if they get no reward from it other than a warm fuzzy feeling of doing something good

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