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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.03.08 12:36:00 -
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We all know people at CCP can be a bit odd, but now SoniClover has completely stepped over the line and is calmly entering insanity. He has his own bible, and apparently an fetish for amazons. Although I have to agree with the last part, amazons are... interesting.
SoniClover writes about the EVE Bible, what it will mean for the development of EVE, the impact the CCP/White-Wolf merger will have and of course, amazons. Head over to the Dev Blog section and hear SoniClover Preaching to the Choir!
I, for one, welcome our new high priest SoniClover.
Wrangler
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Dei
Amarr
Khanid Aerospace Group
Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.03.08 12:38:00 -
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Edited by: Dei on 08/03/2007 12:37:38
Edited by: Dei on 08/03/2007 12:37:17
So say we all!
P.S. Sounds good, although what's wrong in leaving stuff out and publishing the book earlier, and when new things come along, make some new books. 
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Umbriele
Gallente
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.08 12:39:00 -
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eh ?
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News
Minmatar
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.03.08 12:40:00 -
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Is this bible written on the back of the bartabs that have accumulated on the desks of accounting over the years?
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Capt Harlock
Band of Builders Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.08 12:44:00 -
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/me scratches head. That is the most cryptic dev blog i've ever read. Clover you need to get a buddy, to help you channel your creative genious into some semblence of communication that we understand. "I have a mouse with a green tail". It's tail may or may not be green. The car however is mating with a monkey".
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Garia666
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.08 12:44:00 -
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ok.. no idea what he is using .. but send me some..
->My Vids<- CCP= More skilz more moneh! |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.08 12:50:00 -
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Yes? No? Maybe? Veldspar!
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Pellaeon DuGalle
Caldari
Deep Black Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.08 12:59:00 -
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Ok...as far as I can tell, Clover just said "We're gonna make a really really really cool Lore-book and no, you can't have a look".
Ebil 
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Ezra
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Garia666
ok.. no idea what he is using .. but send me some..
Given all his raving about Amazons - probably Viagra or Cialis.
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Vyger
Rebel 1
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:21:00 -
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ooo....kay
now tell me you have another 'bible' that details how everything in the game works, or is supposed to work, and when you are going to release this to the masses 
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Vyger
ooo....kay
now tell me you have another 'bible' that details how everything in the game works, or is supposed to work, and when you are going to release this to the masses
We are working on a player guide, something more updated and maybe more detailed than the current one, but no ETA unfortunately. It will come when it's done. 
We also have an Evelopedia planned, no ETA there either, though it's something I personally really want so I troll people every chance I get for it to come faster. 
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Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:32:00 -
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Oh man that sounds cool i hope they do release it, would love to have al the information to troll though away from my computer
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EscapeArtist
Caldari
Xenotech Federation and Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: EscapeArtist on 08/03/2007 13:37:50
So, you have a loose collection of random scribbles and notes made as you awake at 3am in a cold sweat (why is it always the ideas that comes to you at night, always turn out to be a little less than overwhelming come the next day).
Am I to take this blog as more of the, oooooh thereÆs a monster on the horizon, look out for it when it gets into the city?
I like the sound of more EVE media, I am an avid reader of the Chronicles, and enjoy sites like Warp drive active, so EVE books, comics, and dare I even say Movies (CGI of course) would go down a storm. 
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Kreul Intentions
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:41:00 -
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I so totally understood that!
/me walks away mumbling and twitching.
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Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:56:00 -
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For the love of the Adama, just add a wiki to website that can be used from the IGB. While you're at it, include the Item Database as well. The users will write that Bible for you.
As if the EVE universe makes any sense!
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Winters Chill
Amarr
Scavenger Technologies
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:57:00 -
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Trivia:-
The idea of a "bible" in the gaming industry was first conceived by the pen and paper rpg designers, at scotlands only rpg company, Nightfall (no longer "trading") back 1992, notably by games designer and artist David Allsop.
Nightfall was sold to wizards of the coast and the idea of a "bible" filtered through the rest of the industry. The orginal "Writers Bible" was for a game called "SLA Industries" a nightmarish game of horror set in a dystopia otherworld, where all is not what it seems.
Halloween Jack is a real cool cat
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Arderich
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
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Posted - 2007.03.08 14:20:00 -
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You may laugh at me but some time ago I have seen a documentation/portrait about JK Rowling, the author of Harry Potter. I am not a Harry Potter fan, I might be a little bit too old for this, but some statements caught my attention.
JK Rowling said the fantasy world of Harry Potter is fully painted out to the smallest detail inside her head. She said only a small margin of this makes it into her books but everything around it still 'exists' inside her head. This makes her stories believable. It is a world where everything fits. I think it's the same with Tolkien and other succesful authors. The love for the small details makes such fantasy worlds believable.
In countless discussions with other roleplayers over the past years it became clear that many of us do have their very own vision about the details of the eve background that are not yet described in your PF. Many of our different visions are (sometimes surpringly) very close to each other while others are not.
Such a bible could help a lot and is badly needed but I wonder how you can work out even the smallest details (I say that's impossible) in a team and find a common demoninator. I wonder how your team can manage to handle the different visions of your team members. Will your whole team discuss every detail of every product before publishing or is there one boss with a 'master vision'?
Inconsistent PF often was a problem for us roleplayers. I can speak only for me, I love your backgroundstory but I gave up hope that you will ever reach the quality (lack of inaccuracies) of others. There were countless promises to remove such inaccuracies over the past four years. I will start to believe you when you start to correct old mistakes such as the statement "A new minor-family took the place of KhanidÆs family in the royal court and the current Emperor, Heideran VII, is the first emperor from that minor family" from the Amarr succession chronicle.
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Sharcy
Sonnema
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Posted - 2007.03.08 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: Bartholomeus Crane
For the love of the Adama, just add a wiki to website that can be used from the IGB. While you're at it, include the Item Database as well. The users will write that Bible for you.
SO /signed...
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RossP Zoyka
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Posted - 2007.03.08 14:41:00 -
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Dude's 1 sick SOB
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Notnearly OnEnough
Minmatar
JumpDrive Inc
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Posted - 2007.03.08 15:20:00 -
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Is there an official eve-online CCP wiki? It would be a great source of player research for any data needed for
A) player guides
B) Lore and the "bible according to eve players"
Cheers, I am a huge fan of PAPER guides and books on a game, i'd much rather read it and hold it instead of thru a screen.
It would be great if it was laced with short player stories and accounts too.
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Malena
Perpetual Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.08 16:01:00 -
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So you are telling us that a book that we all want to read may or may not exist, and we may or may not ever get to read it?
Ya know, I can think of plenty of other "teasers"
This just seems to be something rather like "Hey! You! Over there by the coffee machine! Go write a blog!"
"Yessir Mr. Hellmar sir!
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Hektor Ramirez
Outer Ring Tourist Information Center
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Posted - 2007.03.08 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Malena
This just seems to be something rather like "Hey! You! Over there by the coffee machine! Go write a blog!"
"Yessir Mr. Hellmar sir!
"And act like they do at 3AM, so they can relate!"
"Hurrr chicks and beer, got it boss!"
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.03.08 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Notnearly OnEnough
Is there an official eve-online CCP wiki? It would be a great source of player research for any data needed for
A) player guides
B) Lore and the "bible according to eve players"
Cheers, I am a huge fan of PAPER guides and books on a game, i'd much rather read it and hold it instead of thru a screen.
It would be great if it was laced with short player stories and accounts too.
That's what the Evelopiedia project I mentioned above is about.
Originally by: Arderich
You may laugh at me but some time ago I have seen a documentation/portrait about JK Rowling, the author of Harry Potter. I am not a Harry Potter fan, I might be a little bit too old for this, but some statements caught my attention.
JK Rowling said the fantasy world of Harry Potter is fully painted out to the smallest detail inside her head. She said only a small margin of this makes it into her books but everything around it still 'exists' inside her head. This makes her stories believable. It is a world where everything fits. I think it's the same with Tolkien and other succesful authors. The love for the small details makes such fantasy worlds believable.
I believe most of the better writes does that, the only thing that annoyes me is when they have a glorious past but their books are about the current bad times and how to set things right, I want to read about that glorious past as well.
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Nylian
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.08 16:24:00 -
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I've been printing off every decent game guide I've found on the forums so far, in an attempt to make my own little "game guide" I have now resorted to a small filing cabinet for all my eve-needs.
:)
This would be awesome :D
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Sun Win
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.03.08 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
I believe most of the better writes does that, the only thing that annoyes me is when they have a glorious past but their books are about the current bad times and how to set things right, I want to read about that glorious past as well.
Unfortunately, it turns out that the best stories happen during the bad times.
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Sun Win
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.03.08 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Sun Win on 08/03/2007 16:35:52
D UBLE P ST
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Kasak Black
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.08 16:53:00 -
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I dunno what this chap is on, but it sounds better than the stuff I use.
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Vidar Kentoran
Minmatar
Provenance.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:14:00 -
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Um, good for you?
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kasak Black
I dunno what this chap is on, but it sounds better than the stuff I use.
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Grismar
Gallente
Vertigo Corp
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.08 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Grismar on 08/03/2007 19:12:57
Edited by: Grismar on 08/03/2007 19:10:20
I've always wondered to what extent EVE was following some "master plan", set down in scripture a long time ago (before the beginning of time actually, also known as 'beta').
It would be interesting to not just read an up to date, good-to-publish-because-all-secrets-blacked-out version. I would buy, read and probably re-read a book about the development of EVE both as a game (mechanics, engine, logic) and a setting. I guess it would be less about EVE and more about making EVE, a sort of 'making of'.
There's lots of details in EVE that seem to have been made up as we went along. And a lot of stuff got changed in the game mechanics because the original ideas didn't work as well as expected, or because players thought of ways of using them that worked too well. Mines and bookmarks. 'Nuff said. And those new bloodlines really don't just -happen- to cater to the Asian market either.
Not that I'm opposed to such change. On the contrary, I think it's fascinating and if anyone at CCP feels like documenting it, even if in retrospect, I think that would be a damn good read for both EVE-fans and MMO designers.
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Kernel Sander
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Posted - 2007.03.08 19:26:00 -
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If the EVE Bible specifically states that "if it looks good it is good" then how com planetary ring textures poke through the planet textures? That doesn't look good at all and it's been this way for months. Why have the light effects from suns have been poking through asteroids since before Revelations? Aesthetic reasons?
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Ab Tallen
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.08 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We are working on a player guide, something more updated and maybe more detailed than the current one, but no ETA unfortunately. It will come when it's done.
This seems to be the right place to throw in a quote I recently rediscovered, and although it's not about EVE, it very well could:
Quote:
In summary - nethack is documened very well. What you need to know you can
either directly read, or discover within at most two years of frequent
playing. All you need is brains.
Jerzy Michal Pawlak in <[email protected]>, 3 May 1993
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Jaggeh
Gallente
Furious Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.08 19:33:00 -
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Taking into account that WW will be working on the EVE IP will player actions/organisations in the online game be reflected onto the tabletop version?
(ie im reading the eve:rpg rulebook and theres a small bit of factola about the great war of new eden)
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Evelgrivion
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.08 20:13:00 -
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Is it bad that, other than SoniClover's apparent moments of insanity, that the blog made absolute and total sense to me?
If any of you have played the game Halo (as more than just a plain ol' FPS or deathmatch game), you probably noticed that there is a great deal more depth to the game universe than you see from the first or second games - hence its further extension into the realm of printed media. If we're talking about a book that explains a Universe where the routes of the empires is going to go, and whats going to happen with the Jove, and where the ancient, now dead empires went, it cant come soon enough
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.08 20:15:00 -
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OH MY GOOD A BUNCH OF CREATIVE HAVE A BIBLE AND NOONE SAID TO ME !!oneone
Respects about making it public :)
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Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp
Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.03.08 20:22:00 -
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Many thanks to WW for pointing out this ummm... minor oversight in advanced universe creation.
....let there be light.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.08 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Vyger
ooo....kay
now tell me you have another 'bible' that details how everything in the game works, or is supposed to work, and when you are going to release this to the masses
We are working on a player guide, something more updated and maybe more detailed than the current one, but no ETA unfortunately. It will come when it's done.
We also have an Evelopedia planned, no ETA there either, though it's something I personally really want so I troll people every chance I get for it to come faster.
Maybe the paper format WW introduce will make people get interest in the background. You know, for me, Eve is a game described with a foreign language. I won't bother to read novels on electronic format. If I can found the book in my local tabletop dealer, I'll buy it, like what I did for Vampire 1st ed.
I don't need "more" info, I just need to discover things. you know... Eve for me is player shooting AI in space or each other. The only background I see is how Alliance X loose the war vs Alliance Y, I never took the time to search more info on a computer.
For background things I need to take my time, turn the pages, feel the paper, etc.
I'm not sure it will sells well but WW have the habit of it (Tabletop edition is an hard market, I was close to some irl corp that sold in France, almost been publish, was about to... then the compagny sold :( ).
If you sell 1000 books in France you can consider that it's a great succes (Tau Ceti is 1100 lpayer, maybe we hold 1/3 of the french players but you know the digits more than I do :) ).
I don't like Amazon. I need to touch the book before buying, like all the things I've bough for tabletop. BUT the problem is in France tabletop is not popular as in US. say, there is 1 shop for 100000 inhabitants, it's pretty rare... And i'm not sure Tabletop fans are eve fans so... Amazon :(
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:56:00 -
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Great news, glad to see CCP is addressing the really important issues.
Will there be a chapter on cheating?
you know, like "How to spawn BPOs in 10 easy steps" or "How to recruit Devs and GMs in your alliance" ... that sort of things ...
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Xenofur
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:46:00 -
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ok, i might shoot myself in the foot now, but whatever...
does this blog mean that now, 3 years after launch, you finally decided to create an actual game design document? 
makes on wonder exactly how you ... well, did stuff at all, before. 
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SoulBlythe
KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: SoulBlythe on 08/03/2007 22:52:06
na this isn't a design document...
I would consider this more along the lines of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Sourcebook, the Eldrich Might Sourcebooks, and similar products. It may even be a close sister to the Compendiums for the Tolken books, the Dark Tower Series, and such book series.
It would definately be a great book for the Eve Roleplayers and even the general public so long as it provides both a player guide and lorebook.
I know I would drop the cash to buy a hardback copy of this. (maybe 2 or 3 if I can get one signed by the CCP staff )
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niroshido
Caldari
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.08 23:37:00 -
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will u be praying regurally to this bible ye created and is there any public bible kissing allowed?
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dagdda
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Posted - 2007.03.09 02:37:00 -
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Edited by: dagdda on 09/03/2007 02:34:54
Edited by: dagdda on 09/03/2007 02:34:39
never mind
So say we all
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Stahlregen
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.03.09 03:41:00 -
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Yeah, It's called Fluff and nerds go crazy for it.
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Jack'O Blades
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.09 04:27:00 -
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I am really sure he said something very interesting and promising but... I am not sure that I am really that sure???
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Maverick McDougel
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.09 07:17:00 -
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are you related to Prydeless?
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Sheriff Badden
Amarr
Legion Federation
Amen Anera
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Posted - 2007.03.09 08:20:00 -
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So what does this mean? That you'll be releasing some sort of large book with game mechanics, backstory and illustrations, like Warhammer 40k ?
How terribly retro, it's gonna be obsolete as soon as it's printed.
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niroshido
Caldari
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.09 08:46:00 -
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no silly there releasing a bible, so they can organise there religion better 
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Lipix
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.09 09:50:00 -
[48]
If I somehow end up in court, I will ask for the Eve Bible.
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s4mp3r0r
ZiTek
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.09 10:47:00 -
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most worthless blog ever, congrats.
Quote:
I wish i could tell you more but I was sworn to absolute secrecy!
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Don Temujin
Mothers of EVE
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:29:00 -
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OK... who asked the underage marketing intern for advice on how to regain trust from the community ?
...and acted on his advice of:
"We need to bond, show them we're just like them, k3wl d00dz who can't type nor make any sense, but instead feel the vibe."
CCP, represent.
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smallgreenblur
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2007.03.09 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Don Temujin
CCP, represent.
repent?
sgb
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Tedric
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.09 13:25:00 -
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Now you have announced the existence of the +1000% damage implant of Titan slaying... i suggest you take a careful look at everyone who passes outside/inside your office, as one of them may just have the TII body covert ops cloak to slip by and run off a copy onto a USB key....
I can see LOTS of people interested in it, including me.
This is, as they say, 'to die for'...
tedric
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Esurnir
Amarr
Bears Inc
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.09 14:35:00 -
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Is this new guy imported from whitewolf ? Or is he a new recruit from ccp ?
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.03.09 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Esurnir
Is this new guy imported from whitewolf ? Or is he a new recruit from ccp ?
He isn't new, SoniClover has worked at CCP for many years.
Wrangler
Assistant Community Manager
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Karash Amerius
Amarr
O.E.C
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Posted - 2007.03.09 18:31:00 -
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How about you guys update the player guide...with all the new stuff, new players really dont have a place to turn to.
I would like an in-depth corporation management and security role guide as well (an overhaul as well, but thats another issue).
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Jas Dor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.09 20:14:00 -
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You mean you didn't have a compiled book of setting/system information and such before now?
Names, Dates, Times, Engagements, Losses, Op-Tempo or STFU! |
Axle skye
Caldari
Ruby Sunrise
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Posted - 2007.03.09 20:21:00 -
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"Klaatu verada nikto!"
Now gimmie da good book!
I love source material. I am an old school battletech technical readout junkie.
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Armin Novastorm
Gallente
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2007.03.10 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ab Tallen
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We are working on a player guide, something more updated and maybe more detailed than the current one, but no ETA unfortunately. It will come when it's done.
This seems to be the right place to throw in a quote I recently rediscovered, and although it's not about EVE, it very well could:
Quote:
In summary - nethack is documened very well. What you need to know you can either directly read, or discover within at most two years of frequent
playing. All you need is brains.
Jerzy Michal Pawlak in <[email protected]>, 3 May 1993
QFT
I for one am sick of reading well put together but completely out of date guides written by players. I know they mean well and I thank them for it. What is sad is that the company who owns the game thinks any sort of instructions is so unimportant that it has been religated to the land of "soon" most likely never to return. Promise all you want, but reality is not made of wishes.
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Forum Alt
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.03.10 08:16:00 -
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Edited by: Forum Alt on 10/03/2007 08:13:39
I didn't understand that blog. I read through this thread also and I'm still not sure what he's talking about. An Eve guide? A new manual? Just some silly collection of stuff to read that really has no impact on the game?
I'm sorry but this blog does not deliver.
Specifics are your friend.
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Teinyhr
Minmatar
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2007.03.10 09:38:00 -
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Sounds a lot like "The Halo Bible" to me. In essence, it contains everything ever happened and what will happen in the Halo -universe (if you haven't been living under a very large rock the last 7 years, you know what I'm talking about).
I can't recall though, I've heard rumours that it'll be released once every last bit of money is squeezed out of the Halo -franchise - most arrogant rumors say it'll be released after Halo 3 and the movie has come out.
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Hmmm? Oh right right. I really goddamn hope that CCP's Eve -bible will be released in the distant future. If not, I'll come and bite your toes off. You have ten years of mercy time, starting now.
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Originally by: Smagd
Besides, specialization is for insects.
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Erotic Irony
RONA Deepspace
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.10 12:15:00 -
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RP fluff is to mmorpgs what reality television shows are to television media: they are low cost, extremely high yield media that have the pretense of content but no substance. This "EVE bible" has been talked about to death in a dozen dev-blogs before this except you called it an art book then and the subject has been broached on the forums who knows how many times. Meanwhile, our fanart and player submitted screenshot and video section are unbelievably out of date and dysfunctional. Priorities CCP, priorities.
Consider this:
i. I could care less about the weekly chronicles, their saving grace is moody image, the writing isn't engaging. Who cares about the origin of pods if I don't know how many AUs are in a light-year or the turret/missile damage formula?
ii. I don't follow events and given how disparate and poorly documented and poorly written the "player news" is don't ever plan to either. [I was in Criliere earlier and saw the ring structure and the two stations seperated embarassingly close to one another. It was spectacular for all the wrong reasons.] P.S. Hire English majors to do your writing if you want to be relevant.
iii. You billed Eon as a means to offer players exclusive Eve content--in reality it was just content dredged from the forums and what else? More RP! I wanted ship concepts and all I got were cliched stories and inane interviews.
Warcraft has an immense compendium of roleplay garbage, several dozen (hundred?!) pages by the looks of things, explaining ancient lore and irrelevant tripe. I can't imagine any sensible person reading all that, much less buying game related novellas (LOL!)--I thought Eve was largely about the triumph of substance over such things. Eve is at its best when played not watched, not talked about and certainly not roleplayed.
CCP, RP is absolutely irrelevant in the face of EVE's realities. What we need fundamentally is more and better CCP driven documentation--when I can't find a list of COSMOS items ingame, or see the Machariel among other ships' stats in game and find the official item db out of date, we have a serious problem on our hands.
Wow can get away with its RP because the game info is all there on the site and accessible--that CCP plans to have a wiki so players can submit more documentation is mind boggling. We've been doing it since day one, the tracking guide and the capital jump planner, among other apps being good examples of CCP intransigence.
After documentation, CCP needs a revamped bug report and petition system to identify problems with the game and better handle the request in a reasonable and substantive way.
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Reiisha
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.10 12:52:00 -
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I seriously hope you are not forgetting all the rich stories and characters experienced and made by players. If you're going to make a bible about EVE's setting it would be a crime to omit everything the community has done in the past 6-7 years.
EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
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Reiisha
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.10 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Reiisha on 10/03/2007 12:53:08
Originally by: Erotic Irony
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I hope you don't expect fiction writers to write your bug fixing code? Because that's what you are saying here...
There's people who code, there's people who do graphics, and now there's people who write the prime fiction and there's people who make the new WIS stuff. They're all different groups of people doing different things, and unless you want to stick unqualified personel on bugfixing i don't know what you're saying here.
edit: Some people like RP aswell. There's entire alliances in the game that do this, there's more than enough people who will start RPfng with the new features. EVE is an MMORPG, not an MMOG. If you want a game without any background to play your character to i'd suggest tetris.
EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.10 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Vyger
ooo....kay
now tell me you have another 'bible' that details how everything in the game works, or is supposed to work, and when you are going to release this to the masses
We are working on a player guide, something more updated and maybe more detailed than the current one, but no ETA unfortunately. It will come when it's done.
We also have an Evelopedia planned, no ETA there either, though it's something I personally really want so I troll people every chance I get for it to come faster.
.....thankyou for this clarification.
Seriously i thought he was just trying to fill the dev blog quota for this month...
I imagine its semi impossible to guide people through eve... hell you cant even teach it.. you have to show people and then let them learn most of it... still, good work, look forward to the glossyness
Originally by: Dr Cupid
Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
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Armin Novastorm
Gallente
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2007.03.10 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
Edited by: Reiisha on 10/03/2007 12:53:08
I hope you don't expect fiction writers to write your bug fixing code? Because that's what you are saying here...
There's people who code, there's people who do graphics, and now there's people who write the prime fiction and there's people who make the new WIS stuff. They're all different groups of people doing different things, and unless you want to stick unqualified personel on bugfixing i don't know what you're saying here.
edit: Some people like RP aswell. There's entire alliances in the game that do this, there's more than enough people who will start RPfng with the new features. EVE is an MMORPG, not an MMOG. If you want a game without any background to play your character to i'd suggest tetris.
Do YOU think the those people writing the stories volunteered to do it out of the goodness of their hearts? Do you think that others at CCP won't be givin a chance to add thier own input into the history of the world?
The fact is that CCP had to pay those people to write the stories. They didn't hire more CS representatives, they didnt hire more testers, they didnt hire more coders, they didnt hire some people to hunt full time for macroers, they didn't hire someone to write a guide for the game, they didnt hire someone to improve the website. They spent their money trying to improve the fiction behind the game.
Once they do that I can say with almost complete certainty that some of the fiction will pave the way for new features or areas which will then have to be coded by programmers who now WON'T be fixing our bugs. Unless that happens to be to completely seperate departments in which case add to the list above that they also didn't higher coders for new features.
That is the point that Erotic Irony and others are trying to point out. You can be reasonably sure that no department in CCP works in a vaccuum. You can also be sure that CCP does not have unlimited funds.
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Forum Alt
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.03.10 19:32:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Armin Novastorm
Originally by: Reiisha
Edited by: Reiisha on 10/03/2007 12:53:08
I hope you don't expect fiction writers to write your bug fixing code? Because that's what you are saying here...
There's people who code, there's people who do graphics, and now there's people who write the prime fiction and there's people who make the new WIS stuff. They're all different groups of people doing different things, and unless you want to stick unqualified personel on bugfixing i don't know what you're saying here.
edit: Some people like RP aswell. There's entire alliances in the game that do this, there's more than enough people who will start RPfng with the new features. EVE is an MMORPG, not an MMOG. If you want a game without any background to play your character to i'd suggest tetris.
Do YOU think the those people writing the stories volunteered to do it out of the goodness of their hearts? Do you think that others at CCP won't be givin a chance to add thier own input into the history of the world?
The fact is that CCP had to pay those people to write the stories. They didn't hire more CS representatives, they didnt hire more testers, they didnt hire more coders, they didnt hire some people to hunt full time for macroers, they didn't hire someone to write a guide for the game, they didnt hire someone to improve the website. They spent their money trying to improve the fiction behind the game.
Once they do that I can say with almost complete certainty that some of the fiction will pave the way for new features or areas which will then have to be coded by programmers who now WON'T be fixing our bugs. Unless that happens to be to completely seperate departments in which case add to the list above that they also didn't higher coders for new features.
That is the point that Erotic Irony and others are trying to point out. You can be reasonably sure that no department in CCP works in a vaccuum. You can also be sure that CCP does not have unlimited funds.
QFT!
Quoted for emphasis!
/signed!
The problem here is not the fiction or the fact that someone is writing it or even being paid to write it. The problem is that money is being spent on things like this when it should be pointed at fixing the game. "It's not my job to fix things." Then why the hell are you here? "It's my job to make more things that need fixing."
/me sighs and shakes her head...
If the game wasn't still full of bugs that have been here for years (see the Known Issues page which ITSELF IS BUGGED!), slapped together content that appears to be an afterthought (why put acceleration gates in dozens of missions and then leave out the bloody gate model itself?), and node deaths every time people try to participate in Eve's so called PvP "vision" people wouldn't care what CCP spends their money on. However, this is not the case and to see them throw money at silly things like this when the bugs get ignored is disheartening to say the least.
It's CCP's money. They can spend it on whatever they like. That doesn't make it smart though.
My advice: CCP, forget all this fluff and glitter! Fix the bloody bugs first then come back later and have at this kind of stuff all you want when the game is out of beta!
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Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
- Thanks Hutch.
You should put a comma (,) after Thanks, otherwise it looks like you are thanking yourself.
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Adderon San
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Posted - 2007.03.12 11:43:00 -
[68]
considering how long it takes the eve-online item database to get updated with additions to the game, I hope your putting as much thought in to keeping whatever it is you're doing up to date, as you are to making it in the first place :)
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Aindrias
Amarr
Fomus-Amarr Industrial
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2007.03.12 19:17:00 -
[69]
You're supposed to do the Dev Blogs before the Company Party at the bar.. not after.
Drunk........................
Aindrias
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.13 10:41:00 -
[70]
This guy must be insane or stoned or drunk or all of the above at once. The most crazy and non-informative dev-blog ever.
But I liked it...
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Alt
Edited by: Forum Alt on 10/03/2007 08:13:39
I didn't understand that blog. I read through this thread also and I'm still not sure what he's talking about. An Eve guide? A new manual? Just some silly collection of stuff to read that really has no impact on the game?
I'm sorry but this blog does not deliver.
Specifics are your friend.
They merged with WW - the people who have no idea what Jove are, how people got to the EvE galaxy etc. They want to make them to publish books, paper games, comics about EvE world. It's good to keep it consistent with game world and with each other. To make it work they need some sort of an encyclopaedia. They need to create a compendium of knowledge about EvE world.
It will not define how large Charon cargo bay is or how good blasters track. It will cover all races, bloodlines, history events, major people - all important and less important stuff from EvE world.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.14 14:47:00 -
[72]
Except for the first Amazon, the rest of this blog was a waste of time? I mean WTF did he say? Bible...Amazon....cant read...not publish...
Why?
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box.
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Tharim
Villains
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Posted - 2007.03.15 08:11:00 -
[73]
I think this would be a good idea. Seems like the devs could use it sometimes.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.17 02:21:00 -
[74]
I understood every word of that, honest
So basically "We're making something really really cool, and you guys can't see it!". Evil blog
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War Bear
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.17 03:20:00 -
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i know we're not supposed to put images in but this just seemed too apropos.
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Sabahl
Minmatar
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.18 00:40:00 -
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Never, ever let SoniClover write a blog again.
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