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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:44:00 -
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Emotiv Systems today unveiled a brain/computer interface system with a helmet and software applications at the Game Developers Conference in San Francisco. The Project Epoc system can move objects based on a gamer's thoughts, reflect facial expressions, and respond to the excitement or calm the gamer mentally exerts, the company said.
Sensors in the helmet pick up on electric signals in the brain. The system software analyzes the signals emitted by the brain and then wirelessly relays what it detects to a receiver. The receiver is plugged into the USB port of a game console or PC, according to Randy Breen, Emotiv's chief product officer.
Linky. Ok, it's not a pod yet, but a helmet. However the ability to control virtual environments with your brain is a step in the direction :-)
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
Gilbert Drillerson
DarkStar 1
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:46:00 -
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/me waves to Virt while agreeing....
/Gil
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:47:00 -
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We're getting closer, closer, closer!
We better have these by 2027 or I'll be disappointed. 
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:57:00 -
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2027? I'd say CCP should team up on this one :-) Imagine the marketing prospect of a game which embodies an entire universe and which is controlled through the same futuristic means as the characters in game.
:-)
Now, once CCP gets on this, all we need is some people to get together and build the actual ships and gates ....
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:58:00 -
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It's only a matter of time then before someone starts the whinge thread about the new EVE metagame, reversing polarity on players' helmet sensors to change behavior instead of reading it.
Not to mention the sad social consequences of admitting publicly to wearing a helmet as part of your daily non-sports-related routine. :)
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2007.03.08 13:58:00 -
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Oh great, can you imagine the tech support nightmare that will cause? Especially for Mac users?
user> It doesn't work
support guy> is it plugged in?
user> I think so
support guy> did you follow the instructions and properly put it on your head?
user> why would I do that, isn't it supposed to know what I am thinking?
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2007.03.08 14:01:00 -
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 Originally by: Winterblink
It's only a matter of time then before someone starts the whinge thread about the new EVE metagame, reversing polarity on players' helmet sensors to change behavior instead of reading it.
Not to mention the sad social consequences of admitting publicly to wearing a helmet as part of your daily non-sports-related routine. :)
You know there are going to be screams about unfairness because people are loaded up with Red Bull/other caffeine drinks and various other stimulants.
Would make pos sitting pretty interesting though don't you think? I guess it wouldn't be any different than today.
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Keta Min
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.03.08 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
We're getting closer, closer, closer!
We better have these by 2027 or I'll be disappointed.
the unlocked capabilities of our normal brains can totally dwarf any futuristic cyberimplants 
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Sphynix
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:54:00 -
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They have been doing this kind of thing for years - in a lab.
The simplest versions are basically a "Sweat band" with a load of sensors in it. These sensors picked the electrical activity around the head/brain and translate it into movement.
The demo i saw was one person playing good 'ol "Pong" (otherwise known as Bat and Ball)
The hard part is training yourself to give the right signals.
These newer versions are just more complex variants - the issue is that you still have to "train" both them and yourself to use the system. Can't use a generic template because everyone is different.
And as an aside. About 15 years ago a certain company made a very famous "photograph" using a Scanning Electron Mircoscope of a rather small area. The interesting part of this area was the inscription "I B M", using atoms...
Technology at that level basically means that you could create entire circuits to the same size as the neurological pathways (thats the brain) and connect them directly.
Translated basically means with the current technology it is possible to create a computer and plug it straight into your brain - Now that is pod technology!
Minor downside is the several billion it would cost and the fact no one actually knows where to plug it in yet :(
So for now that fancy hat is the best we can hope for :)
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.08 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Keta Min
Originally by: Dark Shikari
We're getting closer, closer, closer!
We better have these by 2027 or I'll be disappointed.
the unlocked capabilities of our normal brains can totally dwarf any futuristic cyberimplants
What do you mean?
The idea that our brains are only "10% utilized" is a myth. If our brains could be magically boosted on their own, it would have happened naturally as its clearly a competitive advantage in natural selection.
Personally, I don't think you can beat 24/7 access to a global network from anywhere, and the ability to directly interface with a computer for extra processing power and storage
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
The idea that our brains are only "10% utilized" is a myth. If our brains could be magically boosted on their own, it would have happened naturally as its clearly a competitive advantage in natural selection.
Dunno, I saw a lot of folks online today who do use only 10% of their brain capacity with the remaining 90% firmly entrenched in deeply rooted instinctive behaviour for EVE ...
:-)
Virtuozzo
RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" |
Mithfindel
Amarr
Ordo Crucis Argenteus
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Posted - 2007.03.08 23:16:00 -
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Edited by: Mithfindel on 08/03/2007 23:13:52
There's three kinds of capacity we cannot conciously use.
The most important part is autonomical capacity, which runs some of the vitals. While some people seem to be able to control things such as their heartbeat rate and so on, it is not scientifically proven. Brain-wise, this "unused capacity" is actually used, pretty much - just we don't need to conciously struggle for it. The brain, for example, is capable of complex image processing calculations in real time. So, this isn't really unused space.
The second part is the defensive buffer. Mainly this concerns of our muscle actions to protect the joints and the skeleton from breaking. Similarly, there are certain things usually people won't consider doing, though there are states, such as some neurological anomalies and panic situations when this unused capacity is put into use. So, this is there to protect the individual from using up all of his abilities and leaving some reserves "for the bad day". (Instincts could fit here, or the first one.)
The third part is the part which is really unusable. Might be some in the brain, I admit that - I am not a biologist or a neurologist. Usually in the body though this is either a remnant from an earlier evolutionary phase, or then due to disability. Though, the brain is so complex that there might well be unused parts. Evolution, after all, is not a deterministic force, but rather a random search with some measure of accepting usually the best fitting individuals. However, it is still random search and as such isn't proven to find the optimal, but can well suffice on the "good enough".
And yes, thought control would be nice, but remembering the voice controls there used to be some time ago, setting things up to work could be a pain.
Still, someone try it - I want to know what happens in the case the user falls asleep during a late night op.
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Multras
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.09 08:47:00 -
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It's only a matter of time till they create nuero helmets and we have mechwarrior/ battletech!
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.03.09 08:54:00 -
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So now we gonna have helmet lag too!  |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Keta Min
Originally by: Dark Shikari
We're getting closer, closer, closer!
We better have these by 2027 or I'll be disappointed.
the unlocked capabilities of our normal brains can totally dwarf any futuristic cyberimplants
What do you mean?
The idea that our brains are only "10% utilized" is a myth. If our brains could be magically boosted on their own, it would have happened naturally as its clearly a competitive advantage in natural selection.
Personally, I don't think you can beat 24/7 access to a global network from anywhere, and the ability to directly interface with a computer for extra processing power and storage
Not necessarily true. The most popular theory is redundancy- as it is, minor brain damage fixes itself slowly over time, as "unused" parts of our brain take over for the damaged parts. If we used 100% of our brain, the slightest knock on the head could knock out the brain cells that remember your mums face, or control your bladder. Permanently 
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.09 13:40:00 -
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I wonder if that thing works in any useful way....
From what I've seen of such things before the user has to concentrate on certain tasks or emotions to illicit a response - hardly useful for twitch gaming.
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lofty29
Athanasius Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.09 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Personally, I don't think you can beat 24/7 access to a global network from anywhere, and the ability to directly interface with a computer for extra processing power and storage
So you can keep up the post count without needing all those tachikoma slaves to do it for you?
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Araxmas
Black Lance
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.09 21:42:00 -
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My friend told me that a pentium 3 can proccess more calculations than all the brains in the world combined...
That true?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.09 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Araxmas
My friend told me that a pentium 3 can proccess more calculations than all the brains in the world combined...
That true?
More arithmetic calculations? Almost. He's going by the clock speed = operations per second, which is wrong as most calculations take more than one clock.
But close to right. A Core 2 Duo, definitely.
But remember, brains are not designed to do those sorts of operations. The human brain does trillions of calculations per second; but they are not controlled by us directly. The result of all those calculations is a vast recurrent neural network capable of intelligent thought, consisting of one hundred billion neurons pulsing at rates up to 100hz each.
So far, no processor can do that.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.03.10 07:24:00 -
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^^ Thats why I love reading what he has to say.....
Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing
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