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Sean Dillon
Caldari
LEGI0N
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Posted - 2007.03.08 16:37:00 -
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Last summer I read the books about the machine wars, never heard of the Dune series before. I actually didnt know about them untill I saw them next to the machine war books in my local library.
As I have alot of free time I started to read them, today finished book no.6. I personnally think, despite the age of the books, it still belongs to the better science fiction books out there. And got me hooked to the Dune universe.
This summer the second part of Sandworm of Dune is being released finaly telling what happened after book 6. Haven't read part 1 yet, released last summer, I still very curious.
Any other Dune fans out there? Are maybe those that played westwood Dune game?
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RedClaws
Amarr
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.03.08 16:57:00 -
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Played the games, saw the movies but reading...hmm I hardly ever do that.
I did notice a large collection of those huge books with "Dune" on them in the local library.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:01:00 -
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I read the original 6 books by Frank Herbert about a year ago. Very very good stuff. Never seen the movies or TV series before, though. I keep meaning to get round to reading the "prequels" by Brian Herbert and such, but haven't worked up to it yet.
They any good?
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Fierce Deity
Gallente
Hera Star
Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:15:00 -
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about 12 books written, 2 movies released on the original book, 2 of the following books were made into one movie, and a few rts games were made.
you realise your reading books from all over the series though. machine wars was book 2 in a series of 3, unless you mean you read all the books covering the butlerian jihad.
but i can't wait for the new book to come out.
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Kharakan
Amarr
Magnificent Beavers
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:16:00 -
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I hold that the original Dune novel is still the best. 
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 08/03/2007 17:21:48
 Originally by: Kharakan
I hold that the original Dune novel is still the best.
Here here. God Emperor Of Dune was wonderfully weird, though. Gotta be one of my top favourites.
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Micia
Minmatar
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sean Dillon
Are maybe those that played westwood Dune game?
I have this. It's okay.
I used to play the Dune board-game religiously, years ago. 
That was a lot of fun.
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Oosel
Nightmare Holdings
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:03:00 -
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it was the westwood dune game that spawned C+C series
im a big fan of anything dune i even liked the film which a lot of people slate
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Anatolius
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:27:00 -
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Ya hya chouhada Muad'dib.
In terms of movies/tv:
The Lynch movie gets plenty of things wrong, but gets a good number of important things right. Conversely, the Sci-fi miniseries gets plenty of unimportant things right, but horribly mangles everything approaching importance.
Strangely enough, though, aside from a beardless Stilgar and a complete lack of stillsuits, the combined sequel (Sci-Fi combined Dune Messiah and Children of Dune) is about the best book-to-film translation you'll ever see. Dune Messiah, being filled with nothing but politics for the most part, would've made a horrible movie on its own; combining it with CoD was brilliant, absolutely freaking brilliant.
As for the games, the RTS's generally totally ignore the storyline. But who cares, when you're marching across Arakeen with ten legions of Sardaukar? MuahahahahahHAahhaHahHAhahahahahaha.
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Salusa VC
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:59:00 -
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My name probably gives it away, but I am a huge Dune fan
Heretics of Dune has to be my favourite, but only by a small margin.
The Brian Herbert 'prequels' are worth a read, but are not a patch on the original Frank Herbert novels.
Oh and IMO the David Lynch Dune movie does about as much justice to the book as Starship Troopers did to its namesake
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Anatolius
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Salusa VC
Oh and IMO the David Lynch Dune movie does about as much justice to the book as Starship Troopers did to its namesake
Let us not rail about justice as long as we have arms and the freedom to use them. 
C'mon, it wasn't Starship Troopers bad. I'll grant you maybe The Two Towers bad, but that's stretching it.
I admit I could just be biased since the cast was comprised of so many of my favorite (probably not) underrated actors.  /me stumbles away, hoping no one brings up the 'weirding module' snafu.
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Joseph 9
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 19:40:00 -
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I have to say that imho the best Dune book is the first. And following on from that the best part of the first book is the essay on Religion in Appendix II - The Religion of Dune. It has the fantastic quote
"... in any discussion of religion it deserves to be written thus:
SPACE TRAVEL!
And has anyone else noticed that the excrible Wheel of Time series is an almost direct rip off of Dune (and Morrowind is heavily influenced by it).
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Shalia Ripper
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.08 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Shalia Ripper on 08/03/2007 19:47:42
Frank Herbert's Dune is classic stuff. However, I am not really a fan of Brian Herbert and that two bit hack Kevin J Anderson mangling papa's notes to write the prequels.
At least they have the notes...for those that don't know, several years ago, a stash of Frank Herbert's notes were found in a local bank's lockbox in the Seattle-Tacoma area. That is where the information for the prequels has come from.
My problem is that Brian and that effing hack Anderson tend to lean heavily on the visuals from the Lynch film and not the descriptions from the actual Dune novels.
Can you tell I can't stand that half assed "novelist" Kevin J. Anderson? He should stick with crappy Star Wars short stories.
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Nachshon
Caldari
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.03.09 01:19:00 -
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OK, I haven't finished God Emperor yet, but I have read the prequels. Different style... less mysticism, more intrigue. Personally, I like intrigue better, but I need to finish God Emperor soon.
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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.09 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
I read the original 6 books by Frank Herbert about a year ago. Very very good stuff. Never seen the movies or TV series before, though. I keep meaning to get round to reading the "prequels" by Brian Herbert and such, but haven't worked up to it yet.
They any good?
No. Frank Herbert himself was one of those writers who had one fantastic book and everything else is meh. He therefore gets eclipsed by more consistent SF writers, like Asimov and Clarke.
Brian Herbert has written nothing of note. Kevin J. Anderson is a total hack who's personally responsible for the dumber parts of the Star Wars book series and worked very hard to ruin the rest.
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Ealiom
Blackhole Entry Point
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Posted - 2007.03.09 12:12:00 -
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Saw the 1984 film. David Lynch's only good movie as far as im concerned. It was awesome.
Then played the story game 'Dune' it was good, different from most other games i played at the time.
Then played Dune2. A game that kicked started a genre and still holds my personal record of most time spent on one game in one sitting. People have died in Korea while playing games for a shorter period of time 
Then read the book and realized how faithful the movie was to the text.
Awesome series and better than Star Wars on every front imho.
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.09 13:28:00 -
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Loved the first book, read a few more in the series but they got too odd for my liking.
Lynch film was good, not seen anything else.
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moxica
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Posted - 2007.03.09 13:49:00 -
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It's been a good few years since I read the Dune series. Some things I couldn't find or missed were: How did the Space guild navigate before they discovered spice? And how did the Bene Gesserit know to implant the Kwizats Haderach(sp) escape clause in the original fremen if only men can see the future using spice?
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Iesha Macabre
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Posted - 2007.03.09 15:37:00 -
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Really liked the first book, the second and third were good too, but seemed to deteriorate a bit from there. Not that they weren't good, just not as good. Generally I'm not a huge fan of sci fi books - Dune would be an exception.
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it was the westwood dune game that spawned C+C series
and the rts genre in general imo
I liked the adventure game type thing too, although it was very easy. The film was OK, but doesn't do it justice. Though to be fair it's a lot of material to try and squeeze in. I didn't like the guy playing Paul/Maud'Dib much which surprised me given he was uber in Twin Peaks 
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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.09 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Iesha Macabre
The film was OK, but doesn't do it justice. Though to be fair it's a lot of material to try and squeeze in. I didn't like the guy playing Paul/Maud'Dib much which surprised me given he was uber in Twin Peaks
The thing with the Lynch movie is that there's just too much material to cover. They spent most of the movie covering events up to the Harkonnen attack, then realized that they still have two-thirds of the book to get through. So the most interesting parts are extremely rushed. Then they used "weirding modules" as a replacement for Maud'Dib teaching the Fremen Bene Gesserit fighting styles, which just didn't work at all.
To Lynch's credit, I think he had a solid vision of what a Dune movie should look like, but he couldn't do it given the limited time and early-1980's special effects technology.
The miniseries almost had enough time to do things properly (though an extra hour per show wouldn't have hurt). It was low budget, but 20 years of special effects development helped a lot. But it suffered from a lack of vision and bad casting.
Dune is such an unfathomably complex book that transferring it to a movie properly would take a combination of time, budget, and vision that is severely lacking in Hollywood today.
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Laurelin1420
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.09 17:09:00 -
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I really loved the original Dune books , especially God Emperor.I found that I really didn't like the tv versions of the books though - they seemed to have the wrong feel.
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