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Lance Hawke
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.03.09 00:29:00 -
[61]
Look, you got owned. Suck it up and move on.
Stop complaining here because you got beat by someone who knows the game better than you do. That's how it should work. Regardless of if you think EVE should warn you about every little thing.
You lost because you didn't stop and think.
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Angellyne
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Posted - 2007.03.09 00:33:00 -
[62]
 Originally by: sartorii
"to bad ignorance isn't painful"
I love it when former hostiles fall prey to their own stupidity. whyTF would anyone do that in the first place.. you are asking to get kicked
Because he expected a 'Cancel Auction' option. Saw no indication there wouldn't be one. Learned there wasn't one the hard way, like lots of people have done. Read the post for more details.
Also, if ignorance was painful, we'd all walk around in constant pain.
Also, normally I wouldn't nitpick, but considering your subject matter, grammar-checking your sig would be advisable.
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Benglada
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.09 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: Benglada on 09/03/2007 00:34:35
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
what interests me about this, is that by all accounts its the very definition of an exploit - using game mechanics in a way they were clearly not intended
Indeed, but the word "Exploit" isnt technically not aloud.
edit: and a good quote, "Ignorance of the law is not an excuse"
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Originally by: Arkanor
0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Sig nerfz0r - maximum allowed siz0r is 24000 bytz0r. - Devil ([email protected])
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Chewan Mesa
Interstellar eXodus
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.09 00:47:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Not knowing about the contract system - free
Trading a hugely valuable item using the system anyway - priceless
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heheheh
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Posted - 2007.03.09 01:04:00 -
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1, Dont beleive everything that people tell you in a chat window.
2, Dont put expensive stuff on a contract unless you know what you are doing, (it takes 30 seconds to findout how)
3,Dont assume that because this "technicality" is decieving that it in any way is exploiting the system.
on top of that most people would assume that if they set an auction for one person then only one person can accept it and therefor can take it for minumum price, most of us actually know about this from a life outside of eve unlike you mentioned.
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Mr V
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Posted - 2007.03.09 01:08:00 -
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To be fair, you CAN cancel ebay auctions even after people have bid on them, provided you have a good reason for doing so.
That said, I can't help but wonder - how is it that so many people come in possession of multi-billion-worth items without knowing fairly basic game mechanics...
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B0rn2KiLL
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2007.03.09 01:18:00 -
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what can i tell ya, eve attracts *******s like a cropse does the plague.. :/
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new sig, Hijack it and ill eat u.
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Larusonyc Dleif
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Posted - 2007.03.09 01:46:00 -
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NO ITS UNPOSSIBLE BUDDER DOGGER IS SMARTEST L33T3ST PVPER EVAH IN TEH EVE HE cAN NOT be SCamZord by teh OTheR NO00BZOR5!!!!111!1!!11!!ONE!!!1111ELEVENONEONEONEEXCLAMATION.
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Trind2222
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.09 01:55:00 -
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whel private auction is gona be removed mening you can only make private auction to the corp you are in.
But never exept a freeform contract or private auction if you don't know the buyer.
Freeform is wery buged try make one is pain in the ass.
most valid contracts are item excange but look on the contract read it you may dedect the scam thot be fast on acepting contracts if you are in a hurry wait the next day.
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Arialla
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.09 02:19:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Benglada
and a good quote, "Ignorance of the law is not an excuse"
And if a case like this makes it into a court of Law then he would be refunded and there would be consequences for the scammer.
However, you cannot go and complain to CONCORD and have the scammer's market priviliges taken away, especially since the scammer can be "reborn" almost instantly.
You cannot wardec the corp or hunt down the scammer as the item in question will be passed on to the main or another alt and the "scammer" will cease to exist.
You just lost an item to a scammer without any recourse. You made a mistake and there is no way to get any kind of revenge or recoup some losses. You are forced to suck it up while the cheating scum gets away squeeky clean.
The scammer is hiding behind alt-character meta-gaming to protect his actual identity. If the true identity of the scammer is known a concerted effort can be made by the entire "law" abiding community of EVE to mark these criminals and pod them whenever they are spotted.
If CCP wants to allow characters to be scheming underhanded scum of the universe then at least give those with dignity, honour, respect and a moral backbone the ability to name and shame these criminals, hunt them down and put them out of their misery like the rabid dogs they are.
Remove the ability for these cowards to hide behind meta-gaming alternate characters or end the scamming.
Yours honourably,
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RaWBLooD
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Posted - 2007.03.09 03:34:00 -
[71]
mr manufacture i still love you 
im sorry for your loss.
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Sgt Napalm
Synergy Evolved
Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.03.09 04:44:00 -
[72]
Just wanted to let you know Butte....O Theif that I would have given you more for the BPO if you would have contacted me.  Sleep well 
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Crydawner
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Posted - 2007.03.09 05:18:00 -
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come on, crazy bear smells like a scammer....you know what i mean when you can 'smell' a scammer? Am only 7 days old and i avoided a scam like this on a dread small shield booster i found (an auction where only one person/corp can claim? no wai d00d!!). I can't explain it but anyhow...sorry to hear about your/your corps loss.
unless this is entirely fabricated, crazy wolf doesn't exist per-se, and you are trying to make off with 10billion of your corps ISK whilst blaming it on someone else and putting on this show to make it seem genuine :)
that's how paranoid i am :)
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All Clear
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Posted - 2007.03.09 05:31:00 -
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What ya got on my 40 is still around??
I thought they disbanded after bella fea and co joined bob. Oh well, still up to their same old shenanigans. Looks like bob got a new t2 bpo. 
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Fracking Beach
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Posted - 2007.03.09 05:53:00 -
[75]
Noone here can honestly say that the OP intended or wanted to give out that BPO for 1000 isk. Fact that the game mechanics allow trickery like this to happen so easily is a shame.
Simple fix would be to allow the auction starter to cancel the auction if wants todo that. |
Brunswick2
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.09 06:18:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Arialla
However, you cannot go and complain to CONCORD and have the scammer's market priviliges taken away, especially since the scammer can be "reborn" almost instantly.
You cannot wardec the corp or hunt down the scammer as the item in question will be passed on to the main or another alt and the "scammer" will cease to exist.
You just lost an item to a scammer without any recourse. You made a mistake and there is no way to get any kind of revenge or recoup some losses.
Clearly you've never seen Outbreak's video, "Karma."
You can get revenge, you just have to be creative. 
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2007.03.09 06:53:00 -
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This has been done to death several times on the forums already, but basically I can sum it up as follows....
Quote:
Scammee> I have something valuable to trade/auction !
Scammer> Auction it to me but make it an auction to my corp with a low starting bid to save us all a bit on money
Scammee> OK, done...
Scammee> ...
Scammee> why have you only bid 10K?
Scammer> HAHAH!! PWNZ0RED
Scammee> Oh, crap, I can't cancel it.
<Scammee whines on the forums>
Scammee> BOO HOO, I WAS SCAMMED WITH AN EXPLOIT
Forum Rabble> HAHAH!! PWNZ0RED NOOBCAKE
Forum Rabble> Oh no, here we go again
CCP> It's not an exploit
Scammee> Yes it is
Forum Rabble>No it's not
CCP> It's not an exploit, but we are going to fix it 
I've said before that I personally consider this an exploit of a stupid game mechanic but CCP maintains that it's not... but that it will be fixed (which seems contradictory to me). In this case you are SOL, sorry for your loss.
The biggest issue is as someone else mentioned, there is NO way to punish the scammer in all this. There is NO RISK to the scammer (OK, maybe if they use a main that they actually intend to keep playing with but that's probably not very likely)
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Plasticine Perfection
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Posted - 2007.03.09 07:11:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Plasticine Perfection on 09/03/2007 07:07:51
The fact that CCP made the decision back when this kind of scam first came to light to NOT class this as an exploit is, in my opinion, shameful.
As Butter Dog has said, and I agree with, this clearly wasn't intended to be something encouraged by the contract system as evidenced by the fact that CCP have said they're going to fix it.
If it's intended don't fix it.
If it isn't intended label it an exploit.
At the very least they should have hot-fixed in a pop-up warning when creating corp-restricted item exchange contracts. This *is* a UI problem, the contracts UI is terrible. Just because we've all got used to working with CCP's appalling interfaces doesn't make them good.
Sorry for your loss Butter Dog, and I hope that some of the scum in this thread who are gloating over it and rubbing your nose it in suffer similar losses in the near future.
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VinceNoir
Amarr
Pyrrhus Sicarii
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Posted - 2007.03.09 07:20:00 -
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Oh **** butter divided by zero.
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2007.03.09 07:21:00 -
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The OP was selling a 10bil bpo on someone elses behalf. Who is to say he realy got scammed? He might as well have made up this story to scam the original owners of the bpo out of their money.
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Nero Ya'ng
Caldari
YaFa Empires
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Posted - 2007.03.09 07:22:00 -
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i cant understand why ppl fall for this scamm.
when you have a Starting bid for 1m and a buyout of 1.5b
why the hell should one do the buyout^^ well on a privat auction. makes no sence to me.
just think twice when doing bussines. or take a look in the forums.
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Admiral Farragut
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Posted - 2007.03.09 07:23:00 -
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I must say that I blame CCP for this. They do not create good documentation about items like this, and they let blatant scammers run rampant. It is complete crap when jackasses like these are allowed to ruin the game for everybody else.
Even WoW has rules against scammers, why doesn't CCP?
Oh, right... because WoW has over 6 million subscribers, yet CCP does not.
To scam is to deprive via deceit. This is obviously a case of deceit, as the individual gave up an item worth literally months to years of his playtime for absolutely nothing. Scams are illegal, and this individual should have his BPO reinstated. Again, i reiterate that it is CCP's fault for creating misleading game mechanics that allow for such behavior; it should never be tolerated. I am disappointed that a dev has neither acted nor commented on this horrible atrocity.
Some of you may not agree with me regarding this issue, but I cannot stand it when weak cowards prey upon those who do not know any better. This cowardice shows a lack of character, as well as a lack of respect towards human beings. He should be banned.
That is all.
-Elmo
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Alumion
Amarr
Golden Fury
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.09 07:46:00 -
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To the OP, you're crying foul, but you are such a bloody hypocrite 
crazy bear > you must set the buyout to 10b and leave starting bid as default so it does not register as an auction and can be claimed on buyout out of region
O Thief > done!
Were this true, would using it not be an exploit? You know an exploit is an exploit even if it benefits you
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Crydawner
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Posted - 2007.03.09 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Farragut
I must say that I blame CCP for this. They do not create good documentation about items like this, and they let blatant scammers run rampant. It is complete crap when jackasses like these are allowed to ruin the game for everybody else.
Even WoW has rules against scammers, why doesn't CCP?
Oh, right... because WoW has over 6 million subscribers, yet CCP does not.
To scam is to deprive via deceit. This is obviously a case of deceit, as the individual gave up an item worth literally months to years of his playtime for absolutely nothing. Scams are illegal, and this individual should have his BPO reinstated. Again, i reiterate that it is CCP's fault for creating misleading game mechanics that allow for such behavior; it should never be tolerated. I am disappointed that a dev has neither acted nor commented on this horrible atrocity.
Some of you may not agree with me regarding this issue, but I cannot stand it when weak cowards prey upon those who do not know any better. This cowardice shows a lack of character, as well as a lack of respect towards human beings. He should be banned.
That is all.
-Elmo
I agree. Other games clamp down/ban scammers, in Eve it's called 'social engineering'?!? and is basically a profession of scamming alts. I suppose this is a weak tie in to the 'pvp' nature of the game, a form of pvp that is frankly one of the most degenerate and smack filled i've ever seen (has it always been like this in eve?), thanks to the massive amounts of time people invest in even getting to the point they can fire a missile at someone! There is another game that is very much like Eve Online in many respects, and that is runescape (only played by mostly children). Full of scammers, item-loss based and metagame-dominated PvP, and laggy gameplay, with a macro problem. Runescape also has a 'vast player run economy'.
you've got to laugh, eh :)
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William Hamilton
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Posted - 2007.03.09 07:53:00 -
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You give someone an auction with a low minimum bid and they have no resposibility to bid any higher than that.
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Crydawner
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Posted - 2007.03.09 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: William Hamilton
You give someone an auction with a low minimum bid and they have no resposibility to bid any higher than that.
even if they agreed to take the B/O?
ever heard of a verbal contract, keeping one's word, etc...
seemingly not.
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William Hamilton
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Posted - 2007.03.09 08:00:00 -
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Verbal contracts can be broken, so the point stands.
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Crydawner
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Posted - 2007.03.09 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: William Hamilton
Verbal contracts can be broken, so the point stands.
how often do you break verbal contracts/your word?
I don't in real life, and i don't online because i can 'get away with it'. So learn the meaning of the word responsibility. :)
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Eilene Fernite
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Posted - 2007.03.09 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Crydawner
Originally by: William Hamilton
Verbal contracts can be broken, so the point stands.
how often do you break verbal contracts/your word?
I don't in real life, and i don't online because i can 'get away with it'. So learn the meaning of the word responsibility. :)
If you think 'verbal contracts' mean anything in EvE, I have a zealot BPO you might want to buy for a measily 15 bil.
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Aldee
Federated Holdings
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Posted - 2007.03.09 08:15:00 -
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Personally I have never messed with auctions but if someone agreed to pay a set price for some thing I had I know item exchange works everywhere and that is all I would insist on using.
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