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Veritas Falx
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Posted - 2007.03.11 13:50:00 -
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Right now I am flying a myrmidon drone set up that usually looks similar to this.
3x Medium Nos
1x Tractor Beam
2x Salvagers
1x 10MN AB I
4x Various non tech II cap rechargers(I start with one and upgrade them as I find them ratting)
2x MAR II (I rarely activate my second one, I don't think I ever really have to)
1x Inertial Stab (For warping, I really haven't found a good use for it)
2x N-Type Therm Actives
1x N-Type EM Actives
I rat Sanshas btw so I just use 5x Ogre I
Now I am kinda disappointed with my DPS with pure drones. I have over 600k in drones, I am a fairly new so that is alot of sp for me. I have been working on cap skills to get them to 4 so I can start removing some cap rechargers. I was wondering if it would be worth it to move up to a domi or even a hyp for ratting. My gunnery skills are very weak, just about 100k, but I am working on that atm. I usually try to chain rats and they get out to about 60km before they die so the repawns are extremely far out and I spend alot of my time getting to them but I don't want to use a MWD because I am not sure what that would do to my cap.
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Ikvar
I WILL ROCK YOUR FACE
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Posted - 2007.03.11 14:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Veritas Falx
I have over 600k in drones
This is your problem. Also, what level of Battlecruisers do you have?
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Veritas Falx
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Posted - 2007.03.11 14:48:00 -
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Battlecruiser is at 3. I was thinking about getting it up to 4. Also most of my drone skills having to do with damage is pretty high. I mean the next step for drones it to take the over the month route of tech II heavies. Although I don't really want to comit that much time because there are more things that would probally be more useful for less time.
My main point of this topic was really to use guns or not and should I upgrade to a BS. I guess I didn't state the clearly enough.
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Angelica Day
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Posted - 2007.03.11 14:50:00 -
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Do you have drone interfacing? That one is huge.
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Veritas Falx
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Posted - 2007.03.11 14:57:00 -
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Yes, I have it at 4, 5 would be another 4 weeks and honestly I think at this point I could be doing better things with my training time.
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits
Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.03.11 15:06:00 -
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Drone Interfacing 5 gives a better DPS boost than Heavy Drone 5.
If you want to lose a cap recharger or two (webs?) then drop the istab for a cap power relay and maybe even the second rep, since you've said yourself you don't use it.
What size rats are you killing? If you're empire/lowsec ratting then medium drones will probably kill faster than heavies.
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Trovarion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.03.11 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Trovarion on 11/03/2007 15:21:14
Originally by: Veritas Falx
Yes, I have it at 4, 5 would be another 4 weeks and honestly I think at this point I could be doing better things with my training time.
then stop whinging about your drone damage ^^
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kisu tei
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Posted - 2007.03.11 15:30:00 -
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hammerhead 2
thermal damage 12
damage mod 1.60 = 19.2 Raw thermal damage
battlecruiser +5% drone damage per level or gallente cruiser +5% drone damage per level
combat drones +5% scout drone damage per level
drone interfacing + 20% drone damage per level
with all thses 3 skills(battlecruiser or cruiser) at level V you can get an overal + 150% to drone damage
making each hammerhead to do 48 points of damage
ogre
thermal damge 24
damage mod 1.60 = 38.4 raw drone damage
battlecruiser +5% drone damage per levelor or gallente cruiser +5% drone damage per level
heavy attack drones +5% scout drone damage per level
drone interfacing + 20% drone damage per level
with all these skills at lv 5(battylecruiser or cruiser ) = + 150% damage
= 96 damage per drone
now if you had cruiser IV but only battlecruiser II then
and you had combat drone IV but only heavy drones II
then
when your in your cruiser with medium combat drones you will be doing
140% damage bonus
medium drones in cruiser
12 damage
1.6 damage mod
+140% damage bonus = 46.08 damage per drone
but when your in your battlecruiser your only doing + 110% damage
heavy drones in battlecruiser
24 damage
1.6 damage mod
+110% damage bonus = 80.64
note: this is based on having drone interfacing V (Very good Skill)
another thing to put into concideration is that heavy drones dont hit frigate and cruisers as hard as they hit battleships and battlecruisers. so what tyou may also be experiancing is the drones ot hitting for as much damage as you are expecting them to do.
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Veritas Falx
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Posted - 2007.03.11 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Veritas Falx on 11/03/2007 16:08:48
I am ratting in 0.0 edge. 500k-950k spawns but I should be moving around 10 jumps deeper and I don't want to go unprepared really.
Also I don't want to use webbers beacuse I hear they really f up drone orbits and make it very hard for drones to track.
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SN3263827
The Black Rabbits
Fatal Persuasion
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Posted - 2007.03.11 16:43:00 -
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The bit about webbers wasn't a suggestion, it was a question, because I'm not sure what you might be using in place of the cap rechargers, which are standard fare for a ratting setup.
A target painter can be useful when using heavies for frigs and cruisers.
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Mathias Orsen
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Posted - 2007.03.11 16:48:00 -
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just to keep things short.. I am very pleased with the DPS on my five Ogre IIs. I've got close to 5 mil in drone skills. Battlecruiser lvl 5.
There is no substitute for skills. I can expect my drones to do close to 3x more DPS than your drones. 3x More DPS means alot more considering that that's also 3x less repping the NPC's get to do.
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2007.03.11 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: Tulisin Dragonflame on 11/03/2007 18:06:32
Nos is only really effective on rat battleships/other players. If you're disappointed with damage, drop the inertial stab (you're just kinda wasting a slot there) and fit some guns + a damage mod. Yes, you can run an all-drone setup in the myrmidon, but the damage will be terrible until you get better skills.
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king jks
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.03.11 18:57:00 -
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Before I went with my MWD/blaster ratting setup for serpentis I had pulse lasers on my myrmidon (fufufu) because I am the epitome of lazy and didn't want anything to do with ammo/reloading. Pulse lasers would work really well vs sansha so you could use this:
4x heavy pulse laser (best named/T2)
2x medium nos
10mn AB II
web
3x T2 recharger
MAR II
same as your hardeners those look good
1x beta cap relay
1x heat sink II
5x ogre
Runs everything except the guns sustained, but you need the nos to run the guns, which isn't a problem anyway because you'll be in nos/web range. Honestly, this early in the game you need think about where you want to go, either gunnery or drones, not both, I went with drones early on and had about 1.6mil SP in drone before I really started working on gunnery, which I'm still doing. But I'm taking a break to go for T2 heavy drones because of this monster known as the myrmidon 
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DiuxDium
Loot
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.11 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: DiuxDium on 11/03/2007 19:14:01
0.0 ratting myrm
High: Mix of Nos\Art. Or Blasters if you feel like fitting a mwd
Mid: AB\Mwd, Cap Rechargers\Drone links
Low: 3x Rat Specific Hard. 1x MAR II, Cap rechargers
You need 3 things. 1) Heavy drones 4 (at least). 2) DI 4 3) Drone Navigation 4.
Use heavy drone I's while you train HD 5. T2 heavy drones will boost your damage by a good deal.
My thorax can outdamage ^^ but it doesn't have half the tank, or the capacitor buffer. I'm constantly running against the perverbial wall of tank\cap.
I used to run around Delve with this setup. I'd be constantly at 10% armor with 5% cap left by the end of the fight. More fun that way though, and the 'rax tosses out about 450dps without drones.
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Barak Smaug
Cosmic Odyssey
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.11 20:09:00 -
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If you want to rat faster, dont fit nos, they increase the chance of the rats repairing damage
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