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Radkin
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Posted - 2003.12.19 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: Radkin on 19/12/2003 09:17:46
Why, oh why can't you make heavy and medium drones unable to attack frigates, it will make the game ALOTTT better!!
Im sure only this change will make at least 200 players stay in the game and will heat up the game alot!
its so simple, drones are not ships, they cant track fast-small moving targets, why should they be able to target frigates godamnit, nobody lose, and all the frigate fans will come back in using them more often, I think its a great idea and I dont see why not doing it.
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2003.12.19 09:24:00 -
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I suggest you look at the back story of the Gallente - Caldari War in Eve Chronicles. Drones were specifically created to track fast-small moving targets.
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ClawHammer III
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Posted - 2003.12.19 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: ClawHammer III on 19/12/2003 10:27:39
There was talk of adding accuracy calculations to drones so that they don't always hit the same and have a harder time tracking fast moving frigates but it remains to be seen whether or not it will be implemented
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INkog
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Posted - 2003.12.19 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: INkog on 19/12/2003 10:40:25
I have heard talk about the next (Tech II?) Frigates possibly having room for a couple of drones. I am still unclear as to if these were introduced in Castor. It is my understanding that they will require a lvl 4-5 in a new Tech II skill set, plus BPs from the new research agents. Then again, this could all be hearsay...
Anyone else got a little 411 on the subject?
Edit- oops! I miss-read your post, I thought you wanted drones on your combat frig... my bad.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.12.19 12:17:00 -
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Why not remove all battleships drone space, guns and replace it for mining lasers. And after we done that, we mount up a 1400mm howitzer with a huge ammount of large emp tech level 5 so that every battleship will be shot down in 1 shot?
Yeah yeah, that would be fun... To have mined 7 days a week 10 hours a day to get me an armageddon, to farm for a week or two for 12 hours a day to get me and apoc and make all my other bs's become utterly USELESS.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2003.12.19 12:34:00 -
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What dream said
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.12.19 12:42:00 -
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Frigates can already outrun the heavier drones, keeping them quite busy.
Just face it, if frigates come up with a drone BS they have a small problem if they don't have it planned out alright.
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Junko Willsso
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Posted - 2003.12.19 14:29:00 -
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Do people really think a frigate should stand a chance against a Bship !?
It shouldnt be a fair fight, the frigate should get smashed!
Yes a frigate is smaller and more nimble, thats why Bships carry drones as they too are small and nimble.
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Nerhtal Al'Thali
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Posted - 2003.12.19 15:00:00 -
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unless hes a suicidal frigate armed with a lot of exploding minmatarr slaves in his hold!!
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.12.19 15:06:00 -
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who throw rocks from out of their pod.
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Brukhai Khan
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Posted - 2003.12.19 15:07:00 -
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I have no problem with a frigate taking down a lone battleship.
as long as the frigate costs 60 million.
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Naal Morno
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Posted - 2003.12.19 16:10:00 -
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Make it 100mln...
Your Heavy Neutron Blaster II perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Sentinel, wrecking for 660.4 damage.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.12.19 16:13:00 -
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Drones are not designed to kill frigates. Actually it¦s exactly the opposite. Frigs were designed by the Caldari to kill Gallentean drones. Here, have a look at this, taken from the EvE-chronicles "The war drones on":
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but with the massive advances in robotics technology taking place at this time the mines were slowly transformed into a far deadlier object. The first drones were little more than mines with proximity detonators and some limited moving capabilities, but soon they had advanced to the level that a single drone almost rivaled a solo-fighterĘs capabilities. The fact that drones were many times cheaper to build than fighters and didnĘt require a highly trained pilot meant that the days of the solo-fighters were numbered. The drones reversed the tide of the war and now the Caldari were scrambling to come up with a solution against these new weapons. It didnĘt take them that long - they simply upgraded their fighters a bit, added some shields and extra weapons and called the new vessels frigates. Some extra crew was also needed at first, but then the Caldari obtained capsule technology from the Jovians some years later and could again reduce the crew to one on most frigates...
...With frigates the Caldari managed the stem the tide of the advancing Federation and before long stalemate again ensued. Slowly, normal life returned for most people, the war became a distant thunderstorm that only occasionally rattled the populace as a whole.
So much for the background. Personally I think it should really be that way. Frigs kill drones and disturb battleships. 2 or 3 Frigs kill cruisers. Cruisers kill frigs, squads of them kill battleships. Battleships kill cruisers, other battleships and POS. Drones disturb frigates, cruisers and battleships with sustained smallscale damage (they¦re fighters... small expendable automated allround spaceships).
Additionally I think there should be more types of drones. Repair drones, interceptor drones, salvage drones, ECM drones... basically the whole spectrum of PvP, just smaller and not as effective as player ships unless operating in large numbers.
But then again... these are just my thoughts and I¦m pretty sure I¦ll get either flamed or ignored for this
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Parallax 7D
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Posted - 2003.12.25 15:05:00 -
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This story is about how drones were developed to counter frigits. If you do not believe me have someone you know read it and explain it to you.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.25 15:41:00 -
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"This story is about how drones were developed to counter frigits. If you do not believe me have someone you know read it and explain it to you."
Uhmm, no. The story follows arms race during Caldari-Gallente war:
caldari solo-fighters > heavy gallente ships
gallente drones > caldari solo-fighters
caldari frigates > gallente drones
Frigates were developed after Gallente drones started to make mince meat out of earlier Caldari ship class, as the counter to them.
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Slave Miner
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Posted - 2003.12.26 10:31:00 -
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Killing drones is easy, try fighting a ship with fof missles, then you're in trouble, a frigate can take out any heavy drone with 3 light missles, or 2 heavy's, they don't do enough damage solo to really cause any greif to a well organized pack of frigates, it's the fof missles that can't really be countered effectivly.
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Radkin
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Posted - 2003.12.26 18:48:00 -
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So, frigates are useless.
thats no fun.
 
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.12.26 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 26/12/2003 19:20:32
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This story is about how drones were developed to counter frigits. If you do not believe me have someone you know read it and explain it to you.
Dude, read the PotW please. I¦ve quote it above, even linked to it. Frigates were developed by the caldari to kill drones. Drones are solo fighters without pilots. Frigates are heavy fighters with 1 pilot designed to counter drones.
It¦s all clear in that PotW.
Also, this thread is not about making frigs uber. Nobody ever said frigs should kill battleships. Battleships aren¦t even part of the discussion in this thread! It¦s about drones and frigates.
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Mr Box
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Posted - 2003.12.27 08:34:00 -
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Quote:
"This story is about how drones were developed to counter frigits. If you do not believe me have someone you know read it and explain it to you."
Uhmm, no. The story follows arms race during Caldari-Gallente war:
caldari solo-fighters > heavy gallente ships
gallente drones > caldari solo-fighters
caldari frigates > gallente drones
Wouldnt that also mean that drones are surposed to be good against heavy ships??
Their not you know. They would be if they could be used in larger numbers though.
Dont miss interpret me though I never expect frigates to ever be better than drones and I never expect drones to be good against heavy ships(well kitted cruisers/bs).
The thing that eve seems to flounder on is numbers. Frigates would be good against drones in anything up to 3 to 1 ods (3 drones vs 1 frigate) Drones would be good against bs if you could use 25+ drones trouble is the way the empires can fight will never match the way players can fight.
Empires dont have an issue with fielding frigates/cruisers in the correct ratios. Pilots are cheap, just like frigates and the price to compare them to the drones works out. For players who can use 10 drones and only 1 frigate the ratio is broken.
The same thing would apply to drones vs any other kind of ship, not enough to do any damage.
It could be changed by changing drones role from gunships to bombers(up the damage, make the tracking v.bad so they can only get good hits on slow/big ships) but I dont think such a change will ever happen.
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