[Stork,mining booster]

'Dyad' Co-Processor I
'Deuce' Co-Processor I

Micro Jump Field Generator
Command Processor I
Command Processor I

Mining Foreman Link - Harvester Capacitor Efficiency II
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II
Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I

Apples vs Oranges

To defend with ships not designed for defense is like asking a PvP fitted ship to take on level 5 missions.

One option is to have a true defense fleet handy but that is boring and not practical in the gameplay sense.

There really are only 2 viable options for the Rorq, if they make it have to be on-grid...
Give super, and I mean super, combat bonuses to Rorq something along the lines 100% Drone Dmg/HPs per mining vessel in fleet
or
Go with a stealth mode Rorq that allows them to cloak while the industrial core is engaged. (limits could be placed on it like a special fuel needed to stay cloaked while the core is engaged for balance)
or
Both

Yep, but only one boost can be activated at a time, so you have to choose between range or yield.

Boot.ini...... ring any bells?


Hey... since there is so much benevolence towards industry, miners etc. Why don't we just kill the whole side of industry, exploration and manufacturing. Trash it all!

Seed everything you need on the market thus ending the Forum PVP and you can all go back to your station buy a plex and fit a pvp ship.

Sounds like a damn good idea to me. Maybe there might be more pvp in EVE and not on the forums.

Wait... who am I kidding?

The only peeps who prey on defenseless industrial ships ARE the very ones crying over risk, emergent game play, I don't mine so no body else should be able to mine either.


If CCP were to actually trash industry/manufacturing ending all the really soft targets, half of you cowardly so called pvpers claim to bes would disappear.

Why would you only get one link at a time? That's what the command processors are for.

Apples vs Oranges

To defend with ships not designed for defense is like asking a PvP fitted ship to take on level 5 missions.

One option is to have a true defense fleet handy but that is boring and not practical in the gameplay sense.

For every 3 ships doing mining in a hazardous area, you should have at least one guard ship, should be cloaked. It can be another account being run by one of the miners. Best result would be to have one combat ship per miner and let it sit cloaked.

I've been doing Null Sec for a few weeks now. I have to take down the rats in a field I intend to mine. That means I have to deal with Battleship class NPC rats by docking, getting my PvP fit warship, kill them, then go back and start operations again. It's a pain but the value is really good for the time spent and I don't mind the combat. So I know the theory can be done solo. With an Orca or a Rorq, your options are even greater.

Please, my appeal to miners everywhere is to get decent at PvP and start handing these guys their heads when they come for yours. Don't think you're stuck in one ship with one option, you have plenty.

Whats the main difference between a cloaked and an offgrid booster? IMHO the whole system with defenseless miners is crap. A defense force is also crap, because it cuts into the revenues of an already "low" income job and is boring as hell= at best a job for an alt but this would be better used for another miner......

mining ships should be able to dig in and defend themselves but may pay with longer Concord reaction time in belts. If miniers can fight you can step up the rats even in high (depending on system or maybe even belt distance from the sun). Mission ships can also fight and earn money at the same time.

For a cool idea: The Rorq has powerful tractors and if you think about SciFi there are other things to do with tractors then just collecting jetcans.... "Come a little closer you little frig, Mama Rorq has some sweet plasma for you"

I'm not seeing the disparity in the argument, nor do I agree with only the two options you give (exclusively for the Rorq, and I'm not commenting on their effectiveness as options, just pointing out some additional ones.)

Look, Miners get hit big in this game because the first thing the vocal ones tend to jump to is 'protect me' from CCP. This really ticks off a lot of other players.

I have to take responsibility for my mining operations, and I *DO* mine. If you are a miner then at the end of the day, it's up to you to deal with the challenges that exist. It doesn't matter if you're solo in a Venture or flying in a massed fleet with an Orca or Rorq, you have to deal with it.

For every 3 ships doing mining in a hazardous area, you should have at least one guard ship, should be cloaked. It can be another account being run by one of the miners. Best result would be to have one combat ship per miner and let it sit cloaked.

I've been doing Null Sec for a few weeks now. I have to take down the rats in a field I intend to mine. That means I have to deal with Battleship class NPC rats by docking, getting my PvP fit warship, kill them, then go back and start operations again. It's a pain but the value is really good for the time spent and I don't mind the combat. So I know the theory can be done solo. With an Orca or a Rorq, your options are even greater.

So you just do what you need to do to defend yourself. If you had your friendly fleet just ratting and running sites nearby when you cried for 'Help' it's far better than doing nothing at all and certainly better than complaining about it.

Please, my appeal to miners everywhere is to get decent at PvP and start handing these guys their heads when they come for yours. Don't think you're stuck in one ship with one option, you have plenty.

What's a "miner"?

I'm going to start by saying I know this will be dismissed given no one wants to be in a standing defense fleet when mining, and no one wants to be active at the keyboard. That being said, the rorqual is a capital ship. Fundamentally, capital ships should need subcap fleets to function. If you are going to use a rorqual over an orca, bubble your gates, have scouts in neighboring systems, scan down and scout out any WHs that pop up. Be alert ahead of time for hostiles. If you aren't willing to do that, why should you get the added boosts of a rorqual?

Because there need to be a reason for using a capital. If you need 4-5 additional alts to use a Rorq the Output must be so much higher that you can cover the costs of these players+ the Price of the Rorq (over time). So the Bonus must be huge or else it will simply be more cost efficent to use the Orca. The Rorq is a tool for gaining money so it all ends at the question: is it worth the risk. do you REALLY Need all the Advantages of the Rorq or just the boosts?

Because there need to be a reason for using a capital. If you need 4-5 additional alts to use a Rorq the Output must be so much higher that you can cover the costs of these players+ the Price of the Rorq (over time). So the Bonus must be huge or else it will simply be more cost efficent to use the Orca. The Rorq is a tool for gaining money so it all ends at the question: is it worth the risk. do you REALLY Need all the Advantages of the Rorq or just the boosts?

So some one told me CCP is going to make it so your Rorq will have to be on grid in order to receive the boost from it.... There may have been a news letter which I had missed....

However requiring your rorq to be on grid is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. If this is in fact true it is probably the dumbest thing CCP has ever done... Regardless of the ability to tether your fleet. No one will want to fly the rorq after that, if this is the case... if this is in fact true... For the love of god CCP don't kill the rorq. a lot of mines will be totally and fully screwed because of that. I for one will be very unhappy at the amount of time wasted training a ship that alliances will no longer allow us to use because of that. You will not be able to cancel the bastion required for it... even with a 5 min invulnerability you will lose your rorq

So if that is in fact true I would like every one to voice their opinion on that. Please don't do that, allow us to keep our rorqs as an off grid booster

Again requiring the rorq to be an on grid booster is just out right stupid... Please don't do that CCP, keep it an off grid booster

[quote=Geronimo McVain]
Rorq or no Rorq nothing is or should be ever 'safe' in EVE.

Right. All I'm saying is, that it has to be reasonable. If you are using a Carrier for ratting you are bringing some Billions online but these ships can defend themselves + you income is higher. So there must be an economic reason for bringing a rorq to danger.

In the list of dumb things CCP has done, this doesn't even break the top ten.