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Tricky Trixy
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Posted - 2003.12.19 12:21:00 -
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Well i think they need to bring in a special ab for indys, say a 50mn. Becuase the 10mn are no good for indys as the indy is a minimum of twice the mass of a cruiser so the 10mn's do nothing to increase indy speed. I put 2 10mn's on me stower and got it to an increadable 188m/s  .
So the 50mn would have lower cap than the 100mn but more push than the 10mn so that my poor indy can get up to some decent speed . Before patch i could get me stower to over 400m/s with 4 abs, which is great if ur hualing in 0.0 space as u can run like hell at the gates  now i dare not take me stower in 0.0 space without serious backup. Oh well probably will not happen but i can dream
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Nerhtal Al'Thali
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Posted - 2003.12.19 12:27:00 -
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is it really that bad? :(
my poor bestower/badgerII !!
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2003.12.19 12:30:00 -
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that bestower must be damn heavy then, cause the 10mn gear works like a charm on my iteron mk 5 - 550ms with 3 AB's and over 1km/s on a single MWD. And all of that with 7500 cargo
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Eayon
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Posted - 2003.12.19 12:42:00 -
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How did you fit 3 AB's and 1 MWD to your MkV?
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.12.19 13:31:00 -
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He had 3 AB OR 1 MWD.
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FileCop AI
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Posted - 2003.12.19 13:32:00 -
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yup, unless you use a good load of power grids on low slots you won't get more than 2 abs on a bestower, and you won't get much higher than 200 m/s. AMARR NERF ;)
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.12.19 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Jarjar on 19/12/2003 13:34:25
Erm you fit 10MN MWDs to your indys, those are 150MW, right?
I get 100MW power output on my Badger MK2 (Engineering 5). Max output ~133MW with 3 reactor control units. 
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Koios
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Posted - 2003.12.19 13:33:00 -
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Because the 10mn are no good for indys as the indy is a minimum of twice the mass of a cruiser so the 10mn's do nothing to increase indy speed.
That's simply not true as a general statment. The Bestower is a Level 1 indy, don't forget.
Try this:
Train your indy skill (+5% speed/level)
Train your navigation skill (+5% speed/level)
Train your accel. control skill (+5% ab speed)
Use overdrives (+20m/s) or nanofibres (+15m/s) in the low slots (and that are just the market ones). Cargo has been increased, so don't worry about the overdrive penalty.
And I am not speaking about the modified afterburners and low slot modules wich give you even more speed...
Bestowers just were overpowered for a low-end indy before the patch. Simple that is. I like the balance now and I think it's well done.
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Slinky Redfoot
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Posted - 2003.12.19 13:38:00 -
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as far as i know, only Mammoths and Iteron MK5's can equip 10 Meganewton MWD's.But bestowers, hoarders and badgers are all lvl1-3 industrial ships, so it kinda makes sense.
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Koios
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Posted - 2003.12.19 13:43:00 -
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Even a mammoth with 4x Reactor Control unit I cannot be outfitted with a 10MN Microwarpdrive.
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Jain Zarr
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Posted - 2003.12.19 13:52:00 -
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Because the 10mn are no good for indys as the indy is a minimum of twice the mass of a cruiser so the 10mn's do nothing to increase indy speed.
That's simply not true as a general statment. The Bestower is a Level 1 indy, don't forget.
Try this:
Train your indy skill (+5% speed/level)
Train your navigation skill (+5% speed/level)
Train your accel. control skill (+5% ab speed)
Use overdrives (+20m/s) or nanofibres (+15m/s) in the low slots (and that are just the market ones). Cargo has been increased, so don't worry about the overdrive penalty.
And I am not speaking about the modified afterburners and low slot modules wich give you even more speed...
Bestowers just were overpowered for a low-end indy before the patch. Simple that is. I like the balance now and I think it's well done.
Dont the indy levels give you more cargo in a bestower, not speed.
Also the bestower may be a lvl 1 indusrtial, but its the only one the ammar have got so making it unable to fit decent abs and mwd is a little unfair.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.12.19 13:52:00 -
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Darn, the MK2 does 212m/s with two 10MN AB's, plus 2 cargo expanders. Drains the cap eventually too.
Boring. :/
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Eldariel
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Posted - 2003.12.19 14:11:00 -
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Yup the 'stower and badger IIs are real slow now - over 50% slower than I could get pre patch
Increase in cargo space is great but I must admit its hard not to fall asleep waiting for the ship to reach gates
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Calalbran
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Posted - 2003.12.19 14:17:00 -
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Try 2 or more 1mn MWDs. With just 2, my bestower does 240 m/s.
These are supposed to be big cargo haulers.
Think of big tankers etc - not exactly manuverable, not exactly very fast.
You want a ship to do 500 m/s or more, get a frigate or shuttle.
You trade speed for cargo space.
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Koios
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Posted - 2003.12.19 14:25:00 -
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Dont the indy levels give you more cargo in a bestower, not speed.
Also the bestower may be a lvl 1 indusrtial, but its the only one the ammar have got so making it unable to fit decent abs and mwd is a little unfair.
All indys get cargo & speed bonus per Level with Castor.
I admit that Amarr only have one indy. But Bestower can be outfitted with decent ab's and get good results. Read above... and train skills if you are in "need for speed".
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Rha
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Posted - 2003.12.19 14:50:00 -
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All indys get cargo & speed bonus per Level with Castor.
I admit that Amarr only have one indy. But Bestower can be outfitted with decent ab's and get good results. Read above... and train skills if you are in "need for speed".
Cool didnt know they all got speed and cargo bonuses now. Will check my Iteron V as soon as I get home.
I have the skills trained already, I dont really have a problem with speed, I just know alot of people out there will be, and there are ALOT of skills to trian now so people will just be adding this to the very long list of stuff to train.
But yes you are correct this can be overcome with the right mods and skills.
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.12.19 14:59:00 -
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Even a mammoth with 4x Reactor Control unit I cannot be outfitted with a 10MN Microwarpdrive.
You can't drive a U-Haul 200 Miles per hour down the highway either. They are just to darn big.
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Methos
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Posted - 2003.12.19 15:08:00 -
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yea but the put put put does get a bit repetative and extremly boring. makes you not want to mine which is the bread and butter of this game.
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Eldariel
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Posted - 2003.12.19 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Eldariel on 19/12/2003 15:17:41
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Try 2 or more 1mn MWDs. With just 2, my bestower does 240 m/s.
When I played with it last night it was capping at 240 even with 4 1MN MWDs or ABs on the bestower (i.e. adding the extra 2 1MN MWDs or ABs made no difference) - used to get up to 480 or so with that configuration pre-patch
The same cap was reached with 10MN ABs (can't fit the 10MN MWD flavours on the 'stower due to fitting req'ts)
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Varia
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Posted - 2003.12.19 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Varia on 19/12/2003 15:27:59
Pre-patch I was able to obtain speed of over 600m/s with cargo space of around 12k with my Mk5.
Now I canĘt but I completely agree with the logic behind these changes.
You now have 3 options, do you want max possible speed, max possible cargo or a balance of the two.
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Eldariel
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Posted - 2003.12.19 15:28:00 -
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Yeah I think the logic of it is fine ...
Just finding it hard to keep my eyes open when approaching gates - maybe I should try some less safe routes to add some spice
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Threadcrapper
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Posted - 2003.12.19 15:34:00 -
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the lowered speed is gonna be a huge problem - now there is no way at all to avoid the gate campers - warp in and your toast.
if i am a specialized hauler and have all my skills trained there should be a way for me to get around this, as my profession depends on it.
before i could run blockades because of my skill trainings and the increased performance. I can run a MK5 - so I have put in the training time, all nav skills are at 4 or 5, and now instead of a slick hauler able to navagate my way where ever i needed to go - I am a slow, huge target.
Professional haulers train for their profession - just like I have done - no I cant just zip around like a frig or a cruiser - and I should not be able to - some kind of tuning is needed
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Pychian Vanervi
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Posted - 2003.12.19 15:43:00 -
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the lowered speed is gonna be a huge problem - now there is no way at all to avoid the gate campers - warp in and your toast.
if i am a specialized hauler and have all my skills trained there should be a way for me to get around this, as my profession depends on it.
before i could run blockades because of my skill trainings and the increased performance. I can run a MK5 - so I have put in the training time, all nav skills are at 4 or 5, and now instead of a slick hauler able to navagate my way where ever i needed to go - I am a slow, huge target.
Professional haulers train for their profession - just like I have done - no I cant just zip around like a frig or a cruiser - and I should not be able to - some kind of tuning is needed
You will still be top of your trade but will need an escort or scout if you are jumping in more dangerous areas.
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Varia
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Posted - 2003.12.19 15:45:00 -
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It sure is a pain, but it's one I can live with.
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Lanu
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Posted - 2003.12.19 16:07:00 -
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i fly around 200m/s with 2 10mn ab¦s and 1 1mn ab with 10575m3 cargo space in a bestower... i think that¦s better then i had pre-patch..
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.12.19 19:20:00 -
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the lowered speed is gonna be a huge problem - now there is no way at all to avoid the gate campers - warp in and your toast.....
One has to ask the question. Should you be able to run the blockades? If there are half a dozen gate campers sitting at a gate in battleships with a half a billion ISK in military hardware, should a hauler worth maybe a few million if you have some nice mods be able to run the blockade?
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