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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:29:56 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Now under my plan you have a mixed fleet, the hulks are the dedicated miners, the macks are providing logi support and the skiffs are offering offensive support to fight off the attackers. Suddenly the mining fleet is not defenseless vs a small gang.
Wait a second. We are talking about high-sec? Then we deal with suicide ganking don't we?
- drones need time to reach target
- skiff need time to lock target and order drones to attack it. Can skiff lock catalyst fast enough so its defensive capability will matter?
(Using command to drones to 'defend fleet member' only means fleet does not use the whole available DPS of skiffs)
- mach needs time to lock other ship to repair it. Can it lock hulk/skiff fast enough to provide logi against suiciders?
(Using pre-lock only works in really small fleets)
- providing logi support to person with LE means you get suspect flag. This means that using machs as logi in high-sec will lead to suicide gank bait and loss of hulks and machs too. Skiffs will do their best and kill lone suicider and that's it.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.08.19 09:22:06 -
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baltec1 wrote:March rabbit wrote:
- drones need time to reach target
- skiff need time to lock target and order drones to attack it. Can skiff lock catalyst fast enough so its defensive capability will matter?
Flight time is nill if you are next to eachother which a fleet would be doing. Sebo on the skiff make locking a target rather fast. March rabbit wrote:
- mach needs time to lock other ship to repair it. Can it lock hulk/skiff fast enough to provide logi against suiciders?
(Using pre-lock only works in really small fleets)
As you said, small fleet you pre lock, large fleet you can fit a sebo. Due to the nature of shield reps they will land the second you lock.
Okey. So machs and skiffs should have place in middle slots group for sebos. Not sure if they have it now so i guess this is detail which needs to be kept in mind.
baltec1 wrote:March rabbit wrote:
- providing logi support to person with LE means you get suspect flag. This means that using machs as logi in high-sec will lead to suicide gank bait and loss of hulks and machs too. Skiffs will do their best and kill lone suicider and that's it.
Fly as part of a corp/alliance and be in a fleet and this is a not a thing.
LE is a relation between 2 players, not between player and corporation/alliance/fleet.
Not sure how being in the same corp/alliance/fleet helps here.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.08.19 09:28:58 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sarah Flynt wrote:baltec1 wrote:March rabbit wrote:
- providing logi support to person with LE means you get suspect flag. This means that using machs as logi in high-sec will lead to suicide gank bait and loss of hulks and machs too. Skiffs will do their best and kill lone suicider and that's it.
Fly as part of a corp/alliance and be in a fleet and this is a not a thing. That doesn't prevent the suspect flagging. As soon as you rep somebody who is in a LE with somebody else, you get suspect flagged, regardless of same corp/alliance/fleet/whatever. So don't be and idiot and get LE. This plan will give people options to defend themselves, not cure stupidity.
Well... That's the new way of combating suicide gankers 
before: tank your mining ship and mine safely
after: make dedicated fleet composition, be aware all the time, get into suspect status and deal with all these bored high-sec 'pvpers' with pimped ships, OGB and neutral logistics?
One thing can be said for sure: it WILL BE more interesting  Not sure if there will be ONE such fleet which survived first full mining session tho.....
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.08.20 07:43:51 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:
I'll say this, interesting idea. However, not sure how many HS miners would want this. Seems that the dominant view expressed by the champions of HS mining is simply: more tank so we can be gank proof in all the ships.
Idea is interesting for sure. The only thing needs to be worked on: workaround for logistics to be usable against attackers and not deal with suspect flag. Else this will only lead to death of the whole fleets.
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