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MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.29 05:16:00 - [1201] Originally by: Canock Originally by: An Anarchyyt Do people actually think that the only part of the patch will be ambulation and nothing else? It will be just like Trinity, the main focus was the graphics upgrade, and then there were a whole bunch of other patches/additions/etc. Ambulation will be just like that. The main focus will be walking in stations, but there will be other things. Now, on to part b. Are there people out there who honestly don't understand how stupid, horrible, and absolutely not beneficial, custom paint jobs would be? Hopefully they'll fix lag issues too. /me dreams. \ \not the MAgical lag fix agian :/ they will never fix lag get over it, it's honestly not CCP's job to fix internet lag.
Xelios Xarxes	Posted - 2008.06.29 05:22:00 - [1202] Edited by: Xelios Xarxes on 29/06/2008 05:22:35 Are you kidding? Every MMO I've ever played improved upon any latency problems that were either experienced server wide or by everyone in a specific area. In these cases it's not client side and has nothing to do with your ISP. Takes "magic" to optimize? Where have you been? Anyway, looking forward to the ambulation. =)
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.29 05:32:00 - [1203] Edited by: MotherMoon on 29/06/2008 05:33:20 Originally by: Xelios Xarxes Edited by: Xelios Xarxes on 29/06/2008 05:22:35 Are you kidding? Every MMO I've ever played improved upon any latency problems that were either experienced server wide or by everyone in a specific area. In these cases it's not client side and has nothing to do with your ISP. Takes "magic" to optimize? Where have you been? Anyway, looking forward to the ambulation. =) yeah yeah I've heard it 10000 times on these forums. CCP work hard as you say improve latency, and they do and they will keep doing so. The new supercomputer for instance will be awesome! but people don't ask for that ! they ask for CCP to FIX LAG. you can't FIX LAG, it will never go away in any game unless you lanning it, and thats somewhat of a lie to if the conection isn't fast enough. IN other words as long as 1 person is fleet as dial up, sure CCP can make the game go faster, but one person will always desync, someone will always lag while everyone else is ok, whole fleets will still DC at 2000 men in system. CCP will improve, however they will not magically FIX lag. Unless they instance combat in eve which would ruin the whole idea of the game IMO. But stuff like market lag and such sure go for it, improve all you want but don't pretend people aren't whining about fleet battles :P If they make it so you can bring 500 to a fleet fight on 500 people will bring 600 and lag will still be there.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.06.30 20:28:00 - [1204] Originally by: Stitcher Really? Tell that to Curatores Veritatis, Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris, The Ushra'Khan, Electus Matari, Strix Armaments and Defence, The Caldari Independent Navy Reserve, Lai Dai Infinity Systems, Duty., Naqam, Ghost Festival and Mixed Metaphor, to name but a handful. Really. Traveling to same physical location to talk was described as roleplaying. I said that was already possible but no one did it and that ambulation would not change this. Do all these corps only talk when in the same physical location? Quote: More to the point, why is it relevant? Ambulation was planned and put into production long before the CSM was elected. I don't know. Ask the person who brought it up. Quote: I think our friend B1ff is just a curmudgeonly luddite, tbfh. And we've devolved to personal attacks. Classy.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.06.30 20:31:00 - [1205] Originally by: MotherMoon Tell you what Biff if your to lazy to use the systems CCP put in place for you. . . So CCP didn't put the forum here for customers to talk about EvE? kieron describes this thread as a place to talk about Ambulation. That's what I'm doing.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.06.30 20:33:00 - [1206] Originally by: Xavieer Naidoo Wrong. You don't see the point. He does (and I do too...). That's just about it. Nothing more and nothing less. Wrong. You don't see the point. Neither does he (and do you...). That's just about it. Nothing more and nothing less.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.06.30 20:34:00 - [1207] Originally by: WarlockX OR you could say they represent 100% of the players that care. No you can't. That statement is predicated on the fallacy that anyone who didn't vote doesn't care.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.06.30 20:39:00 - [1208] Originally by: Nito Musashi I want ambulation i like the idea of playing poker, hold'em or whatever when i dont feel like flying or during patch weeks when you take your life in your hands trying to anything in a ship. Poker does not require ambulation. Why not create a poker app that can be played while traveling, camping, sieging, fueling, mining, ratting, missioning, or docked. Rather than one that can only be played while docked?
B1FF	Posted - 2008.06.30 20:47:00 - [1209] Originally by: MotherMoon Still over 30% of all player accoubnt have been voting on CSM issues go check out the voting forum for yourself. Please document this claim.
Bad Harlequin Minmatar The Harlequinade	Posted - 2008.06.30 22:24:00 - [1210] Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 30/06/2008 22:25:57 teh chainpoasting, it must stop and while you may be right about personal attacks, on the other hand it's perfectly ok to state the belief that someone living under a bridge hurling bones may in fact be a troll. Originally by: B1FF Originally by: WarlockX OR you could say they represent 100% of the players that care. No you can't. That statement is predicated on the fallacy that anyone who didn't vote doesn't care. big words do not fact make. did you type this with a straight face, or were you giggling uncontrollably the whole time..? love and , BH
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2008.06.30 22:36:00 - [1211] maybe because i would trust ccp more than some player created app that would be running on my client that could be hacked, phishing, or play faves like the creators buddys and corp winning most hands because the system was designed that way. ambulation is fine and welcome, quit whining about it because you and 10 other people dont like it. zomg now our war targets will be at the poker table or in the bar, as opposed to your war targets just sitting in dock all day taking or reading smack in local. and if you feel its that bad i can dig up the unsubcribe link if you like or just do not reup if you feel that strongly about it. and i love it if 300 of the people in jita are ambulating rather than sitting in dock or outside the stations. will make that node so much better :P. ambulation is one step in the next generation of eve with alot more down the road that builds on it, sides sitting in your ship 3 to 10 hours a day 7 days a week and never leaving that ship makes even less sense.
Ash Bringer	Posted - 2008.07.03 13:32:00 - [1212] This stuff great... Even ppl whine whine whine about some problems. This game is %95 ballanced atm IMO. And this game is really evolving, Im not talking about expansions. We even upgraded to shiner graphics. That's good because gaming software has a lifespan if u don't overhaul it.. So with Ambulation, CCP opens up a new discoveries to ppl... What I want to see... 1-Texas Hold'em power tables in game (should be easy anyway) Other Gambling games... (ISK on table anyone, actually it should allow u to put Mothership on table :P) 2-Taunting other ppl that u don't like... (No fight in station for a start) 3-Ofc we need a trade window... (I mentioned it because they are diffrent servers, not know much about softwares but ppl should play their Trade-Online game in this mode) 4-Free camera mode as in space... So u can check up your lovely ship from any direction. And it will help a lot with bad camera angles. 5-Own space in station... (with a laptop like comp in it for Trade and stuff) I dont want to feel like in a Stock Exchange while Trading) 6-Trading window should be used in ambulation method (This will make player to player trade more personel) 7-I want my regular chat windows also. I have lots of them atm, and I love them... It might look broken but I want to be in intel channel, militia channel and my old buddies channel at the same time while speaking in the station at bar channel.
Alias fighter	Posted - 2008.07.03 13:44:00 - [1213] This is an MMO space conquest game, it is not 'the Sims'. 'walking in stations' is not something i would find very appealing at all.
Thargat Caldari North Star Networks Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.07.03 13:51:00 - [1214] If they name it something better than "walking in stations", like "crawling from bars" or "limping from battles".... I'm ok with it. Ambulation? Isn't that what you do on your way to the hospital? There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius.
LordSwift New Eden Regimental Navy	Posted - 2008.07.03 13:54:00 - [1215] Then dont use it then. jeez what is it going to make people realise this is going to be a optional feature. Just like premium and classic graphics. Also capsuleers do get out of there pods. Just read the novel or the fan fiction. This will change the way everyone does business and diplomacy. Cant wait
Tharukan Desm'ar	Posted - 2008.07.03 13:59:00 - [1216] Originally by: Alias fighter This is an MMO space conquest game, it is not 'the Sims'. 'walking in stations' is not something i would find very appealing at all. It adds a new facet into our insight of the game world. One I look forward to. It may be basic in its inception but has the potential to expand and maybe add out of pod play styles to the game. Much like features have been added and upgraded in EVE as the years have gone by. The future prospects ambulation could bring is what mostly interests me about it.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:00:00 - [1217] Originally by: LordSwift Then dont use it then. jeez what is it going to make people realise this is going to be a optional feature. Just like premium and classic graphics. Also capsuleers do get out of there pods. Just read the novel or the fan fiction. This will change the way everyone does business and diplomacy. Cant wait Why do you feel that way? Why do you think taking longer to do the same actions will 'change the way everyone does business and diplomacy.' How do you feel it will change business and diplomacy?
Rock'mar Khan Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:20:00 - [1218] Can't wait for this! That was one of my favorite features of E&B - even tho the rest of the game was a little lacking. I like the Whiteboard idea.. and the scale of the ships is great to see. I just find myself wonder what Minmatar stations will look like on the inside.. I can't help but think of some boiler room in the basement of a high school... I picture them looking like the result of 5 years of thrown away containers, and un-wanted station parts... all the junk left in space - collected by some Titan-scale Minmatar garbage scow... then deposited in various places around the universe, with duct tape connecting the vital links... dryer hoses for air ducts... that sort of thing. I for one can't wait :) Good stuff CCP! Keep it coming!@
Ash Bringer	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:20:00 - [1219] if u play the game long enough. U'll see most of time u are in your hangar actually. So this will give u a chance to move to somewhere.. Btw we have 5 senses as humans and if u can give us more impulses that our brain can interact, it will improve reality. (a.k.a Matrix) U can actually remove all graphic content from game and make every spaceship in eve a triangle. it will actually work same.. But what a boring game it will be... As Sirmolle says Evolve... And yes seeing your enemies in station will make everything much more tense and personal IMO. As u wont chat with your enemy out of station. But it might be interesting to see him in station sitting next to u.
Ultin Harvor	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:24:00 - [1220] Edited by: Ultin Harvor on 03/07/2008 14:25:17 Originally by: B1FF Originally by: LordSwift Then dont use it then. jeez what is it going to make people realise this is going to be a optional feature. Just like premium and classic graphics. Also capsuleers do get out of there pods. Just read the novel or the fan fiction. This will change the way everyone does business and diplomacy. Cant wait Why do you feel that way? Why do you think taking longer to do the same actions will 'change the way everyone does business and diplomacy.' How do you feel it will change business and diplomacy? As has been stated before, B1FF; Ambulation will not replace the current UI or any current functionality. And yes I know that you will reply with 'no new functionsality, no inventive, broken desgin blah blah blah'. The reason why people (including myself) are getting excited are the possibilities created by Ambulation, they are not put off by the fact that it will most likely be very basic at it's inception as it is another 'portal into the EVE universe' as Torfi said in his FanFest talk on Ambulation. Again, it is optional! Don't like it, then don't use it. But I am glad that you are not just saying 'GRR AMBULATION I R QUITZ' and that you are trying to come up with reasoned arguments. EDIT: Notice the word 'trying'
LordSwift New Eden Regimental Navy	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:28:00 - [1221] Edited by: LordSwift on 03/07/2008 14:31:54 Edited by: LordSwift on 03/07/2008 14:30:58 Well i dont know exactly because i have not played it. I plan to at Fanfest this year for sure. But if you have watched the video, then we will have corp offices and a cool 3d map to plan things. People jump 20+ jumps all the time, why should it be faster. No one has any patience. The game rocks and i am not going to stop playing for any reason. I think the way we just see our ship and chat to people in a chat box is that its a bit impersonal. Granted even in ambulation it still willbe something like speech bubbles or the same old chat box. But at least they are in front of you, reacting more or less.
Ultin Harvor	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:34:00 - [1222] Originally by: Alias fighter This is an MMO space conquest game, it is not 'the Sims'. 'walking in stations' is not something i would find very appealing at all. Why do people keep saying this? Of course it's not 'The Sims', we don't have to keep our avatars happy, we don't have to get them jobs and then stare at the empty house. Yes we will be able to buy clothes and whatnot, but by no means is this 'The Sims'. Far from it in fact. Can you go and blow people up in 'The Sims'? Can you build huge ships in 'The Sims'? Can you contest and own space in 'The Sims'? No, you cannot. So in conclusion.....EVE != 'The Sims' and it never will be.
clonkrieger Imperium Forces Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:36:00 - [1223] Edited by: clonkrieger on 03/07/2008 14:38:21 Many new players to EVE are from games with easy targets, once you level, do all the things, you quit or move on :) I think those people that don't agree with Ambulation should actually post constructive reasons why (or don't post at all). I look forward to Ambulation, and I believe its a step forward for CCP to introduce alot more content after its release that will introduce us all to whole new way of life in the Universe of EVE :) ___________________________ Returned after being absent. Updating...
Plumpy McPudding	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:40:00 - [1224] So is this slotted for release by the holiday season or something? No new info has been released in a long time. __________________________ Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:48:00 - [1225] Originally by: LordSwift Edited by: LordSwift on 03/07/2008 14:31:54 Edited by: LordSwift on 03/07/2008 14:30:58 Well i dont know exactly because i have not played it. I plan to at Fanfest this year for sure. But if you have watched the video, then we will have corp offices and a cool 3d map to plan things. People jump 20+ jumps all the time, why should it be faster. No one has any patience. The game rocks and i am not going to stop playing for any reason. I think the way we just see our ship and chat to people in a chat box is that its a bit impersonal. Granted even in ambulation it still willbe something like speech bubbles or the same old chat box. But at least they are in front of you, reacting more or less. And I get called the troll? At least I post reasons for my points. Thank you for acknowledging that you have no position. Most people aren't strong enough to do that. I ask you this. What point is a map that you can't use in your ship? All pilots would be required to memorize everything? That's how it works currently. An ambulation only map is pointless. The 3d planning map is cool and will be a great feature. However it doesn't require ambulation. In fact if resources weren't being spent on ambulation we may already have it. What will be done in these corporate offices? How often do you use the office tab now?
B1FF	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:49:00 - [1226] Originally by: clonkrieger Edited by: clonkrieger on 03/07/2008 14:38:21 Many new players to EVE are from games with easy targets, once you level, do all the things, you quit or move on :) I think those people that don't agree with Ambulation should actually post constructive reasons why (or don't post at all). I've posted numerous reasons. Please feel free to respond to one of them.
Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:57:00 - [1227] Originally by: B1FF Originally by: LordSwift Then dont use it then. jeez what is it going to make people realise this is going to be a optional feature. Just like premium and classic graphics. Also capsuleers do get out of there pods. Just read the novel or the fan fiction. This will change the way everyone does business and diplomacy. Cant wait Why do you feel that way? Why do you think taking longer to do the same actions will 'change the way everyone does business and diplomacy.' How do you feel it will change business and diplomacy? Simply put it will effect social interaction between players. Why? Something like 80% of what we communicate is transmitted not by the spoken word, or by writing but through our body language. Body language has been around as a form of communication for a great deal longer than speaking, or the written word. Consider - youre negotiating for standings with a diplomat form an alliance. Currently youre likely to be use a chat channel, possibly vent/ts/eve voice, but a chat channels more likely. A lot of your message is 'lost' simply by using this medium. Now consider the same activity in an 'Ambulated' EVE. You're avatar is on his knees in suplication - youre begging for those positive standings. The diplomat is stood arms folded, sneering in contempt. > or maybe he isnt, maybe he wont stop sneering until you fall to your knees when he smugly smiles and agrees to your request. This wont always happen of course, some players may never interact in this fashion but the potential is there and I think that expands in a very subtle mannner on the wider context of EVE. C. VITOC - Amarr Corp for Faction Warfare!
LordSwift New Eden Regimental Navy	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:59:00 - [1228] Well i was not expecting that responce. i am not trying to troll or whatever you mean. Yes i agree my comment was crap and i didnt think it through. But dont me ask me about what will be done in the corporate offices or with the 3d map. I dont know. Go ask a dev. Use your imagination! You cant compare how much i use the office tab to actually walking into the station office and interacting with things. We do sort of have a 3d map in game anyway
B1FF	Posted - 2008.07.03 15:15:00 - [1229] Originally by: LordSwift Well i was not expecting that responce. i am not trying to troll or whatever you mean. Yes i agree my comment was crap and i didnt think it through. But dont me ask me about what will be done in the corporate offices or with the 3d map. I dont know. Go ask a dev. Use your imagination! You cant compare how much i use the office tab to actually walking into the station office and interacting with things. We do sort of have a 3d map in game anyway Why shouldn't I ask you about corporate offices and the map? You took the pro-ambulation stand and brought them up as reasons why. You've hit the nail on the head in this post. Ambulation is fantasy. Everyone is using their imagination and guessing and hoping about what Ambulation is going to be. If you actually look into it you realize they've told us next to nothing. Contrary to what many people here think I don't care if ambulation is canceled or not. My goal is to point out the sham and provoke discussion. The problem is the normal response I get is, "Well it will be cool." with no justification.
Slanty McGarglefist University of Caille	Posted - 2008.07.03 15:18:00 - [1230] Originally by: B1FF Originally by: LordSwift Well i was not expecting that responce. i am not trying to troll or whatever you mean. Yes i agree my comment was crap and i didnt think it through. But dont me ask me about what will be done in the corporate offices or with the 3d map. I dont know. Go ask a dev. Use your imagination! You cant compare how much i use the office tab to actually walking into the station office and interacting with things. We do sort of have a 3d map in game anyway Why shouldn't I ask you about corporate offices and the map? You took the pro-ambulation stand and brought them up as reasons why. You've hit the nail on the head in this post. Ambulation is fantasy. Everyone is using their imagination and guessing and hoping about what Ambulation is going to be. If you actually look into it you realize they've told us next to nothing. Contrary to what many people here think I don't care if ambulation is canceled or not. My goal is to point out the sham and provoke discussion. The problem is the normal response I get is, "Well it will be cool." with no justification. Well it will be cool when released. Won't it? __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!

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