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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.08.25 16:50:18 -
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generally when you're talking about damage it's better to deal with effective hp rather than try and figure out resists and how it affects your raw hp.
1100 alpha is 1100 alpha, the ehp you have against such an alpha however is the thing you need to calculate. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2186
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Posted - 2016.08.25 17:13:07 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:generally when you're talking about damage it's better to deal with effective hp rather than try and figure out resists and how it affects your raw hp.
1100 alpha is 1100 alpha, the ehp you have against such an alpha however is the thing you need to calculate.
My point is don't bother. In PVP more alpha does more damage is the only truism you can pull from alpha numbers. The only pvp where alpha matters is if you're going to suicide gank someone. It comes into play with larger risk averse kiting fits and the really large null serious business fleets, but with the OP given size of 10... again.... don't bother worrying about it.
To all those that want to wade into the equation that spits out your final damage number there are some fascinating (overly detailed and super nerdy) threads on the topic. I don't know that it is of prime importance (OK I know it for sure isn't) to getting the OP and his band of beginners out there and having fun. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.08.25 17:23:12 -
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That's not true in the slightest, three main strengths of alpha:
1. You don't give time for logi to lock and rep 2. You don't give the target the time to cycle local reps (especially true against armour) 3. You remove opposing ships faster, so if targeting dps they will have less dps to reply to you |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2186
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Posted - 2016.08.25 18:22:01 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:That's not true in the slightest, three main strengths of alpha:
1. You don't give time for logi to lock and rep 2. You don't give the target the time to cycle local reps (especially true against armour) 3. You remove opposing ships faster, so if targeting dps they will have less dps to reply to you
The post is about 10 new bros.
All you say is true, but it's not what 10 new bros dipping their toes in the pvp pond need to form a fleet around. In the context of this thread - alpha is worthless. It will get their fleet destroyed when they assume they will be handing out 11000 hp vollies based EFT numbers. Explaining what a local spike is probably has more value than that their identical ships have a volley damage of 1100.
OP - part of being a good FC is to think on the fly and adapt as new information is provided. I hope you're taking all facets of this discussion into account. Focus on what is being portrayed as an absolute and what is being given as food for thought. FC is really all about how the data is processed and prosecuted. |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1699
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Posted - 2016.08.25 18:40:12 -
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And knowing exactly what your fleet are flying contributes greatly to being able to assess a situation, hence doctrines ;) |
Autism Intensifies
some random local shitlords
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Posted - 2016.08.25 21:23:05 -
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You'd probably take out a "doctrine" on a 3 man roam with your friends, eh? |
Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.08.25 22:27:02 -
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Why not? Tackle DPS and ewar. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
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Posted - 2016.08.26 00:19:25 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:...It comes into play with larger risk averse kiting fleets...
Ouch!
I thought risk is pressing "undock". Kiting may be "risk averse" for you but ganking a few buddies of mine with 802758067561563 t3 cruisers is not "risk averse" since that poor rapier could kill your "fleet" all at once.
Be careful what you are saying, my eyes and ears are everywhere in New Eden.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2016.08.30 11:04:37 -
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elitatwo wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:...It comes into play with larger risk averse kiting fleets... Ouch! I thought risk is pressing "undock". Kiting may be "risk averse" for you but ganking a few buddies of mine with 802758067561563 t3 cruisers is not "risk averse" since that poor rapier could kill your "fleet" all at once. Be careful what you are saying, my eyes and ears are everywhere in New Eden.
I'm not sure what you are getting at.... Be careful about what??? |
Fade Azura
Logistics and Salvage Express Services
166
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Posted - 2016.09.01 17:34:59 -
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kitchen sinks frigs to start is always fun =) |
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