https://blog.skyride.org/an-open-letter-to-ccp/

Could we get a dev response to this Open Letter?
It raises some very good points that, on a personal level, would like to see changed.

Why would the devs respond to a whine thread. If things in space are of value then big fights will still occur.

That wall of text comes across as "qq I don't like jump fatigue" and "qq I don't like fozzie sov" and "I will try and invent reasons as to why they should be removed so we can go back to n+1 gameplay because I'm too lazy to figure out how to operate in the new system"

I don't see why the devs need to respond to that.

It also comes across as a pve is wrong thread.." While there are some enthusiastic PVE'ers out there (I'm no exception), that isn't what the EVE ExperienceGäó is about."

The EVE experience is what you make it, not how others would like you to make it.

Yes, what a load of BS. If anything the Eve experience is defined by the fact that it is a sandbox, and so trying to distil the Eve experience simply down to blob warfare just shows how blinkered and foolish the article really is.

I expect the majority of Eve players will never fight in a big battle and will be no worse of for the fact.

Counterpoint:

There isn't much of any EVE experience when all you do is mining in highsec or running missions.*


Therefore I claim "it's sandbox, play how you want" is unrelated to what she said ...
... and if you don't actually play in the sandbox ...
... then you can't claim that you are a part of it.

To play in a sandbox you have to use its sand and do something with it.


* instead, it is a generic experience available in most other games.

Counterpoint:

There isn't much of any EVE experience when all you do is mining in highsec or running missions.*


Therefore I claim "it's sandbox, play how you want" is unrelated to what she said ...
... and if you don't actually play in the sandbox ...
... then you can't claim that you are a part of it.

To play in a sandbox you have to use its sand and do something with it.


* instead, it is a generic experience available in most other games.

[quote=Solecist Project]
Your mistake is thinking PvE comprises of just mining and HS mission running, ergo your counterpoint is invalid. And even if PvE did refer to only that, then that is still playing with the sand in the sandbox, but perhaps just a few grains of it.

When I talk about the sandbox I'm referring to much more than PvE, I am talking about, industry, small to medium gang PvP, and even out of game activities like video making and Eve events. Which ever way you look at it Blob warfare is just a small part of the sandbox.

The generic argument of "play how you want" is invalid in regards to a sandbox when you do not play with the sand.
Miners and mission runners, who do nothing else, don't play with the sand at all.

"Playing in a sandbox" and "sitting there, doing nothing but claiming you belong to it" aren't the same things.

Yes and now reread it all... you're in the wrong context.

The generic argument of "play how you want" is invalid in regards to a sandbox when you do not play with the sand.
Miners and mission runners, who do nothing else, don't play with the sand at all.

"Playing in a sandbox" and "sitting there, doing nothing but claiming you belong to it" aren't the same things.

This whole nonsense STARTED through those who claim they have a right to be left alone ...
... under the disguise of "equal rights" which simply do not exist ...
... which is ONLY a problem for those who don't stand up for themselves!


Fact of the matter is that every game has laws and rules. When you suck at it and die,
that's fine, but when you suck at it, die and then want it changed, then you're not playing the game correctly!

Why? Because it has rules and laws that apply to everyone and ignorance and low ability isn't an excuse against them.
Abilities can be learned. Claiming "i don't want to" is, again, pure ignorance!

Those who continuously bullshit people with "i play how i want" also use it to justify afk activity ...
... which is by definition "not playing the game"!

It's used by people who want to avoid wardecs. They too "want to play how they want" ...
... but deny others this "right", because it's not about the sandbox, but about self centeredness!

They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ...
... and most people don't even understand why it's far from one!

They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want.
They don't care about the negative consequences this behaviour has.
They ask others to care about them, while not caring about the others!

They project their attitude towards those who don't want their gameplay nerfed and removed ...
... and do so out of pure selfishness, not caring if WE can't play how we want, as long as they can!

And while we stick to the rules and laws of the game ...
... they continuously try to change them for their own selfish benefits!


So ... my counterpoint is absolutely valid against the nonsense "play how you want" ...
... because it was born out of ignorance ...
... and is kept being repeated out of ignorance!


And the rest has nothing to do with it.

https://blog.skyride.org/an-open-letter-to-ccp/

Could we get a dev response to this Open Letter?
It raises some very good points that, on a personal level, would like to see changed.

Yes and now reread it all... you're in the wrong context.

The generic argument of "play how you want" is invalid in regards to a sandbox when you do not play with the sand.
Miners and mission runners, who do nothing else, don't play with the sand at all.

"Playing in a sandbox" and "sitting there, doing nothing but claiming you belong to it" aren't the same things.

This whole nonsense STARTED through those who claim they have a right to be left alone ...
... under the disguise of "equal rights" which simply do not exist ...
... which is ONLY a problem for those who don't stand up for themselves!


Fact of the matter is that every game has laws and rules. When you suck at it and die,
that's fine, but when you suck at it, die and then want it changed, then you're not playing the game correctly!

Why? Because it has rules and laws that apply to everyone and ignorance and low ability isn't an excuse against them.
Abilities can be learned. Claiming "i don't want to" is, again, pure ignorance!

Those who continuously bullshit people with "i play how i want" also use it to justify afk activity ...
... which is by definition "not playing the game"!

It's used by people who want to avoid wardecs. They too "want to play how they want" ...
... but deny others this "right", because it's not about the sandbox, but about self centeredness!

They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ...
... and most people don't even understand why it's far from one!

They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want.
They don't care about the negative consequences this behaviour has.
They ask others to care about them, while not caring about the others!

They project their attitude towards those who don't want their gameplay nerfed and removed ...
... and do so out of pure selfishness, not caring if WE can't play how we want, as long as they can!

And while we stick to the rules and laws of the game ...
... they continuously try to change them for their own selfish benefits!


So ... my counterpoint is absolutely valid against the nonsense "play how you want" ...
... because it was born out of ignorance ...
... and is kept being repeated out of ignorance!


And the rest has nothing to do with it.

I don't think you understand what the term sandbox actually means. Your mixing up a PvP game with a sandbox game. Eve is both, but a game can be one or the other, they are not mutually exclusive.

or maybe ou need to understand that it isn't what you think it is ...
... and that an egocentric "I DO WHAT I WANT" has nothing to do with what a sandbox is.

And that's what it is.
An egocentric viewpoint that only serves you and ignores everyone else, including the game itself.

Is that really too hard to understand?

You didn't manage to logically counter ANYTHING I wrote ...
... nothing ...
... so you don't really have much ground for such a statement.

"A sandbox is a style of game in which minimal character limitations are placed on the gamer, allowing the gamer to roam and change a virtual world at will. In contrast to a progression-style game, a sandbox game emphasizes roaming and allows a gamer to select tasks. Instead of featuring segmented areas or numbered levels, a sandbox game usually occurs in a GÇ£worldGÇ¥ to which the gamer has full access from start to finish. "

^^ There is no reason a miner is not playing in the sandbox, albeit a small part of it.

Do you have NOTHING to say that comes from your own mind?

I think CCP took a step in right direction with the occupancy based sov, but the mechanic for the capture is horrible. It would make mining look like a fun activity in comparison.