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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.03.14 18:41:00 -
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Or at least lay them off for about 30 days and let the faction police take the watch for a while.
Really, not much else to say about it. The (mineral) market really, really, could use a bit of life pumped into it. This would certainly do the trick.
I'm talking about a culling of the herds that brings the amount of minerals in the market to an all time low.
I brought this up in the Stations, Outposts,... forum, but not getting much response from there. Hard for them to stomach I guess.
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Conuion Meow
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.03.14 18:52:00 -
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Please do not crosspost.
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Conuion Meow
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.03.14 21:02:00 -
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.03.14 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: IntegralHellsing on 14/03/2007 21:14:37 dang it, misread -_- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes. Please look at this handy guide on how to optimize it -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
NoNah
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Posted - 2007.03.14 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: NoNah on 14/03/2007 21:16:25
Originally by: Conuion Meow Thread unlocked
Congrats, dysleksiskika will strike you aswell, sooner or later. I seeyouve lost the ability to read allready. =)
As for the OP, I loose way more ships to concord than anything else. =)
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.03.15 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah Edited by: NoNah on 14/03/2007 21:16:25
Originally by: Conuion Meow Thread unlocked
Congrats, dysleksiskika will strike you aswell, sooner or later. I seeyouve lost the ability to read allready. =)
As for the OP, I loose way more ships to concord than anything else. =)
Ah, my faith has been restored.
Yeah, CONCORD just needs to take a break for a while from time to time. Give a chance for large amounts of stuff to get blown up. War is good for the economy. It gives poeple profitable jobs.
Also, removing CONCORD from the game (even if just temporarily) would spark a bit of life into the game, IMO. Let the players police themselves for a while.
Miner Timer
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Arekhon
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.03.15 05:12:00 -
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Edited by: Arekhon on 15/03/2007 05:09:02 nvm
my thoughts and ideas represent your corp
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.03.15 05:58:00 -
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Well, IF this were to ever happen, and I don't really think it would, but IF it did...
CCP shouldn't announce when CONCORD hands over the watch to the faction police. The length of time should vary from 24 hours to a week (permanently IMO, but that won't happen I'm sure.) Faction police should respond to anything that CONCORD normally would, and in the same manner. i.e Chase you down until you (or they) pop. 1.0 should be the ONLY safe system, gates locked down by CONCORD when pop reaches 150-200; at CONCORD's discretion based on the facilities of that system. (gotta give the whiners a chance). Faction police will respond normally to negative security status pilots for that system.
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Loc Maythan
Gallente Alfa00 Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.15 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Xofar Yeah, CONCORD just needs to take a break for a while from time to time. Give a chance for large amounts of stuff to get blown up
As long as their holiday destination is low and no sec space
Loc.
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Loc Maythan
Originally by: Mr Xofar Yeah, CONCORD just needs to take a break for a while from time to time. Give a chance for large amounts of stuff to get blown up
As long as their holiday destination is low and no sec space
Loc.
Nope. No CONCORD, anywhere. Maybe replace the CONCORD ships with Faction Police as they take over the role of Policing hisec. So you'll have more Faction police, but no CONCORD.
That way, you'll at least still have the same number of ships to contend with if(when) you become unruly.
They would have to respawn as well, of course.
Oh, and sentries should remain the same and respond to aggression like normal.
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Nyabinghi
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.15 17:25:00 -
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CONCORD is essentially a joke anyways. They are the crudest form of law enforcement. CONCORD needs to be scrapped entirely and replaced with something with a semblance of intelligence. ***
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.03.15 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Xofar on 15/03/2007 20:20:16 Edited by: Mr Xofar on 15/03/2007 20:17:46
Originally by: Nyabinghi CONCORD is essentially a joke anyways. They are the crudest form of law enforcement. CONCORD needs to be scrapped entirely and replaced with something with a semblance of intelligence.
It's not so much the AI that I think is the issue, it's the power itself. Although a bit smarter would be nice, I'd just like to see the "if you aggro, you will die" go away.
I think the strength of the faction police is sufficient to maintain relatively safe systems, while livening up the pew pew to a level that even noobs can tolerate. I imagine more 'Policing Corps' will start popping up as well.
EVE is worse than WoW in this respect.
WoW: <gnome> "omgwtf, I'm being attacked by an undead meany pants." <gnome> *runs to guard* <undead> *chases gnome* <guard> *bangs undead on head, twice, killing him.* <gnome> "lol, dumbass."
EVE: <pilot attacked in hisec> "lol, dumbass."
Miner Timer
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CampyloBacter
Gallente Enteritis Inc
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:05:00 -
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So let's get this straight...
Let's remove the one part of this game that prevents it deteriorating into an anarchic free-for-all gankfest for the sake of 'livening it up a bit'.
So every asswhol who feels like learning to PVP can attack anyone in High sec with only the (extremely ghey) faction Police to provide security?
Try getting new players to join a game that gives them no protection at all. Goodbye EVE.
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Decrepus
Raiders of the Lost Cans
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Posted - 2007.03.15 22:42:00 -
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I wrote a haiku:
CONCORD take a nap Carebear dies; cancel account Oh no, server closed
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.15 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: CampyloBacter So let's get this straight...
Let's remove the one part of this game that prevents it deteriorating into an anarchic free-for-all gankfest for the sake of 'livening it up a bit'.
So every asswhol who feels like learning to PVP can attack anyone in High sec with only the (extremely *snip*) faction Police to provide security?
Try getting new players to join a game that gives them no protection at all. Goodbye EVE.
The extremely what?
Plus, it's not that there won't be security. There just won't be this instantaneous appearance of invincible ships to WTFBBQ. There's a reason it's been called CONCORDOKKEN and in all caps most of the time, it's absurd power. What the post suggests is having the faction police take over for CONCORD and do their job, they'd work the same way, minus the WTF so you're left with BBQ, which is at least tolerable but still pretty rough punishment.
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Prophet Jurah
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Xofar I think the strength of the faction police is sufficient to maintain relatively safe systems, while livening up the pew pew to a level that even noobs can tolerate.
Doesn't work that way. I'm guessing you missed the whole m0o thing back in beta? Back in the day concord was about the same strength as the faction police and m0o would sit in starter systems killing noobs all day. Hundreds and hundreds of noobs. Some guy in his little velator will have to deal with his first experience of eve being getting podded 17 times in a row by battleships before he could even leave his nooby station. Do you realy think thats best for eve? People complain all the time about how impossible it is to find targets in low sec. You realy want the entire game to be that empty?
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Hypatia Iola
Caldari Warhounds
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Posted - 2007.03.16 01:46:00 -
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i think this has merit, but maybe make it so you HAVE to run eventually, and it's possible TO run
basically Boom! hahaha
oops here comes da kops!
You'll nevah takes me alive see!
(about 5 waves later)
Wow they'z lotsa kops 'ere lads, maybe we should jet now!
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.03.16 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Prophet Jurah
Originally by: Mr Xofar I think the strength of the faction police is sufficient to maintain relatively safe systems, while livening up the pew pew to a level that even noobs can tolerate.
Doesn't work that way. I'm guessing you missed the whole m0o thing back in beta? Back in the day concord was about the same strength as the faction police and m0o would sit in starter systems killing noobs all day. Hundreds and hundreds of noobs. Some guy in his little velator will have to deal with his first experience of eve being getting podded 17 times in a row by battleships before he could even leave his nooby station. Do you realy think thats best for eve? People complain all the time about how impossible it is to find targets in low sec. You realy want the entire game to be that empty?
Let me recap...
"Well, IF this were to ever happen, and I don't really think it would, but IF it did...
CCP shouldn't announce when CONCORD hands over the watch to the faction police. The length of time should vary from 24 hours to a week (permanently IMO, but that won't happen I'm sure.) Faction police should respond to anything that CONCORD normally would, and in the same manner. i.e Chase you down until you (or they) pop. 1.0 should be the ONLY safe system, gates locked down by CONCORD when pop reaches 150-200; at CONCORD's discretion based on the facilities of that system. (gotta give the whiners a chance). Faction police will respond normally to negative security status pilots for that system. "
You can eliminate the pop limit if you like.
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Drakus
Minmatar all professions
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Posted - 2007.03.16 05:58:00 -
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no.
the game would crumble. Concord is great for its purpose. its there so that people that want to enjoy themselves without being killed every day, have a place to play. You take them and and you'd see a mass exodus to 1.0 systems, people would then ***** about all the lag, and then quit, and you'd have less people to pew pew.
i can't understand how you think that removing concord or making the policeing force weaker is a way to get people to play... doesn't take much work right now to camp a gate and tank sentry fire, if concord was replaced with faction police, you'd see the same thing for about a week. Then concord would come back, all losses would be replaced, or eve would crash forever.
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Ebusitanus
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.16 06:14:00 -
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I just started playing yesterday. I see the people asking for this have either forgoten how it is to start here or just do not give a fig. Bad in both cases when ego gets in front of the general interest and long term health of the game. If I would get blown up in my Ibis or starter frigate every day I would certainly leave this asap. You big/vet guys can circle jerk yourself in way enough systems, lets us grow to form part of the community or pay my bill to play targetdrone for you.
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.03.16 06:56:00 -
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The game wouldn't crumble.
Yes, people will cry and loose ships. But, the current absolution of CONCORD is lame and hurts the economy of the game, IMO. There's just not enough stuff blowing up in Empire, and too many macroers mining away. Firing CONCORD and replacing each of their ships with Faction Police would also make getting rid of macroers much easier.
This does mean, of course, that the real hard-working miners, people like me for instance, will just have to learn to adapt. Yes it'd be difficult. Hell it may kill solo mining; of which I favor. But I bet I could still do it and remain just as profitable without CONCORD watching my back. Hell I rarely min in hisec now anyway.
The game would be much more lively, and a far more rewarding experience.
There won't be a mass exodus into 1.0 space either. Besides, I already recommended locking down gates to 1.0 systems by CONCORD with 150-200 pop to prevent that. Noobs just beginning in 1.0 space will have plenty of systems to navigate around to experience enough about the game before venturing from "CONCORDOKKEN" space into "Policed" space.
I think it has the merit of being experimented with on the test server, at the very least.
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Syril Mert
Dawn of a new Empire Pure.
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Posted - 2007.03.16 08:29:00 -
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With all the bugs already in this game and you guys want the devs to spend resources fixing something thats not broken? Don't please. If it's not broken don't try to fix it.
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Ladyah Liandri
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.03.16 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Syril Mert With all the bugs already in this game and you guys want the devs to spend resources fixing something thats not broken? Don't please. If it's not broken don't try to fix it.
Good point. From a pirate's point of view it'll be nice to have a tad more tyarrrgets naturally. But we're talking CCP here - so yeah I think the "not broken rule" rulez in this case.
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.03.16 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ladyah Liandri
Originally by: Syril Mert With all the bugs already in this game and you guys want the devs to spend resources fixing something thats not broken? Don't please. If it's not broken don't try to fix it.
Good point. From a pirate's point of view it'll be nice to have a tad more tyarrrgets naturally. But we're talking CCP here - so yeah I think the "not broken rule" rulez in this case.
It's so funny how often CCP gets slammed for being incompetent. Yet, they've created the coolest, "primarily pvp" space MMO ever.
Yes, yes, I know, PRIMARILY != 100%. But it does mean more than half. If it were primarily pvp (meaning to a great degree, and not 51%), then why isn't the only completely safe space 1.0?
The swiftness and effectiveness of the law should decrease the farther down in security you go. Right now, in 0.5+ you get CONCORDORKED, period. No recourse or escape possible. If you DO escape, and this is the lamest of the lame, CCP takes your ship for exploiting. (I can't confirm this, I'm only repeating what I've read on the forums about this.)
Miner Timer
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Ladyah Liandri
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.03.16 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Xofar It's so funny how often CCP gets slammed for being incompetent. Yet, they've created the coolest, "primarily pvp" space MMO ever.
First it's not funny really. Second who said CCP was incompetent?
Due to its sheer complexity EVE suffers IMO severely from one of the nastiest problems in software-engineering:
"Every tiny bug hides a big, fat one that has an urge to come out."
You want a list?
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.03.16 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ladyah Liandri
Originally by: Mr Xofar It's so funny how often CCP gets slammed for being incompetent. Yet, they've created the coolest, "primarily pvp" space MMO ever.
First it's not funny really. Second who said CCP was incompetent?
Due to its sheer complexity EVE suffers IMO severely from one of the nastiest problems in software-engineering:
"Every tiny bug hides a big, fat one that has an urge to come out."
You want a list?
Well, I was being sarcastic actually. In fact, I find it downright offensive when someone who has no clue about how hard it is to create such a game jumps on CCP's back for breaking this by nerfing that; or simply due to the inevitable major bug from time to time. Game programming is by far the most complex, math intensive balancing act anyone can attempt. Ever. There a bound to be bugs. So, you're right, it's not funny.
However, I seriously doubt "firing" CONCORD, or laying them off for a while from time to time will introduce any new bugs.
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Hypatia Iola
Caldari Warhounds
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Posted - 2007.03.16 14:46:00 -
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i hate to say it xofar, because i like the idea, but really it's no good.
the resons are as follows:
ATM the majority of the systems out there are PvP-able. the vast majority in fact. 0.0 and lowsec make up probably 2/3 of the total systems in the game. so according to that standard it's primarily PvP. the thing is that the majority of people don't actually want nonstop PvP. they want occaisional-no pvp at all. thus, fully half the eve population doesn't leave highsec if they can avoid it. about 1/2 of whats left goes out to 0.0. that leave the 1/4 of the people in the game who are hardcore pirates.
so ATM 1/2 of the total population is crowded into 1/3 of the systems. It's spread out enough to prevent completely absurd lag, but there are people in nearly every system.
now change it to 1.0 is the only safe space:
1/2 of the Eve population crowds into 30-50 systems.
dear god in heaven.
People who don't WANT to PvP all the time (in all honesty the majority) pay just as much for the game as you(usually, GTC buyers aside). Do they not have a right to play the game the way they want to? Like i said, i really like the idea of opening up highsec a little, but at the end of the day i just don't see it as a good idea because the non-pvpers (carebears if you want) have the same rights as the rest of us, and that includes the right to do nothing.
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Mr Xofar
The Devil's Mafia
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Posted - 2007.03.16 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hypatia Iola i hate to say it xofar, because i like the idea, but really it's no good.
the resons are as follows:
ATM the majority of the systems out there are PvP-able. the vast majority in fact. 0.0 and lowsec make up probably 2/3 of the total systems in the game. so according to that standard it's primarily PvP. the thing is that the majority of people don't actually want nonstop PvP. they want occaisional-no pvp at all. thus, fully half the eve population doesn't leave highsec if they can avoid it. about 1/2 of whats left goes out to 0.0. that leave the 1/4 of the people in the game who are hardcore pirates.
so ATM 1/2 of the total population is crowded into 1/3 of the systems. It's spread out enough to prevent completely absurd lag, but there are people in nearly every system.
now change it to 1.0 is the only safe space:
1/2 of the Eve population crowds into 30-50 systems.
dear god in heaven.
People who don't WANT to PvP all the time (in all honesty the majority) pay just as much for the game as you(usually, GTC buyers aside). Do they not have a right to play the game the way they want to? Like i said, i really like the idea of opening up highsec a little, but at the end of the day i just don't see it as a good idea because the non-pvpers (carebears if you want) have the same rights as the rest of us, and that includes the right to do nothing.
*sigh* Maybe I'm just looking for another game.
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Esurnir
Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.17 04:01:00 -
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Call me noob but, I dont understand the "CONCORDOKKEN" word. I know it means you get melted by concord but how was the word created Oo ----
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Niina
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.17 05:53:00 -
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im in for the faction police idea, since all "unity and friendship" between the empires are dying anyways.
And on the issue of carebears leaving the game id say no they wont :) they are just like their sister disease farmers, unless you ban them they will thrive and continue their existance. Other solution to this would be making all empire low sec. noneed for afk mining imo, thats what the new regions are for. |
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