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Kassidus
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:14:00 -
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Ok so I have yet to fall for a scam nor have I done one either in real life or in game, I consider myself smart and nice so I generally dont have to worry to much, but accidents do happen.
I see threads where people get scamed out of there hard earned money and I feel bad for them as anyone with a concience should, people loosing there hard earned money/items to a trick is never fun.
For the sake of argument lets say EVE was RL , now we know CCP's stance on scamming is "Aslong as its not a exploit its fair game", Imagine if RL life laws and the police were like this.
A 80 year old lady sitting at home, she is trying to sell her husbands car who recently passed away, a person calls , says I would like to buy the car, he shows up all friendly , and says hey this is great I will give you exactly what you want for it, $5000 , now this guy just so happens to know this old lady is somewhat blind, so he hands her $5000 in poorly made, counterfit money.
Her grandson comes over she gives the money to him to take to the bank and he see's its fake, so they call the police, and the police say "Maybee you should have paid more attention you noob hahah" and they hang up on her.
Make sence ? no, In real life the police would get right on that, the lady might even get lucky and get her car back, and the guy is deffinately going to get into some good trouble.
The problem with scamming in EVE is there is no reprocussions, in a anonamous online gamw where alts rule and scamming is the norm, no one really has to worry, sure you can spend hours and days tracking these people down hoping maybee you can take a shot at them, but its not practical especially if you need to recover from your loss.
Its my opinion that something needs to be done about scamming in EVE, Im not saying it should stop, let people scam, but for the sake of game play and fairness lets find a way to penalize players for such behavior.
Maybee CCP should devote some staff to the concord police department and start locking people up, institute RL rules, you scam a guy for 500mill, you loose that 500mill, and get you and your ship locked up for a week, see how fast people keep scamming.
Either way im just bored so just some ideas :D
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ArtemisEntreri
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:17:00 -
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You're not losing money you would use to feed and cloth your family here
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Imechal Ravpeim
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:17:00 -
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There's a difference between counterfieting money and not giving them as much as they were expecting.
A closer example to the starting bid/buyout scams would be that he gave her 100 5 dollar bills instead of 100 50 dollar bills, and had her sign a contract that said she was selling it for $500, not $5000.
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Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:18:00 -
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EVE <> RL
old ladies in EVE = freakin mean pod pilots
therefore old ladies dont need protection in EVE
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:22:00 -
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No repercussions? How is that any different from real life?
If you send 30,000 dollars to a Nigerian prince as part of an advance fee fraud scheme, you are 100% guaranteed to lose your money and the chance of the scammer being caught is near zero.
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Ashtar Auxilium
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ashtar Auxilium on 15/03/2007 11:18:40
I agree that intentionally and regulary scamming should have some repurcussions in some form, but having a team of people dedicated to tracking them down wouldn't be very cost-efficient for CCP.
Maybe there are player-made blacklisting services out there?
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Kassidus
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
No repercussions? How is that any different from real life?
If you send 30,000 dollars to a Nigerian prince as part of an advance fee fraud scheme, you are 100% guaranteed to lose your money and the chance of the scammer being caught is near zero.
touche, ive been web pwned, you sir win the internet.
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Kassidus
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Kassidus on 15/03/2007 11:21:21
double post
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:29:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 15/03/2007 11:28:31
CCP knows the content is screwed up, yet they do nothing, they don't even ban the exploiters.
If scamming is to be part of eve, it must follow the risk vs reward model, and scammers have to train skills for their trade just like any other career in EVE...
So far, 90% of the scams in this game come on the backs of bad code & poorly implemented content by CCP, NOT BY DESIGN!
The DEV's can use the "scamming is part of EVE" card whenever they need to cover their asses for bad content...
Building the homestead
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Kassidus
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
No repercussions? How is that any different from real life?
If you send 30,000 dollars to a Nigerian prince as part of an advance fee fraud scheme, you are 100% guaranteed to lose your money and the chance of the scammer being caught is near zero.
WIth a little more thought, I revoke my claim that you win the interent, at first i was like I cant think of a good come back for that he has a point, and you do, but wether your money is gone or not, there are people dedicated to stoping nigerian scams, including police orginizations and governments.
So although its hard to do anything about the particular one, there are people actively trying to fix the problem.
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Mastin Dragonfly
Amarr Navy Runners
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:39:00 -
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Well, if you get scamed a few times in EVE maybe you get smart enough to avoid being scamed in RL, where it actually matters.
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DUSKULL
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:40:00 -
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I totally agree with the original poster. I think I may have started this thread with an earlier post of mine. Regards to its affect on RL. Yeah its not real money it's isk but my RL time was spent earning it so there is a link there.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:42:00 -
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It is true that scamming in Eve doesn't involve any risk at all. On the other hand CCP had removed the most easy scams with contracts recently (the x1 at the contracts for contracts about one units only), so they do care about noob-traps.
And the comparison Eve/RL is a bit strange. In RL you cannot wardec someone, you cannot shoot their stuff, you cannot claim sov, you cannot logoff/login 
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Kassidus
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: DUSKULL
I totally agree with the original poster. I think I may have started this thread with an earlier post of mine. Regards to its affect on RL. Yeah its not real money it's isk but my RL time was spent earning it so there is a link there.
yes your post got me thinking about it :) sorry for your loss.
Its the nature, of nerdy little emo kids to try and make peoples lives harder on the internet.
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Sheriff Jones
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:44:00 -
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You could always shoot the guy.
Or declare war on his corp.
Or or...in real life you don't get to pew pew the nasty nigerian prince with a 1800mm cannon now do you? 
Stop comparing real life and EVE. EVE is so much better to be tainted by this "earth" simulator.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:55:00 -
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There will always be people who misread 1,000,000.00 as a billion, and there will always be people who dont check that the shuttle they bought just cost 450mil. How do you stop people doing that?
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.15 11:57:00 -
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Earth is for carebears
Originally by: Graalum
Thats a caldari juggernaut torpedo fired by an ibis.
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Jaggeh
Gallente
Furious Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:00:00 -
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its a good thing this is a game so or i might get upset about being scammed.
although i have yet to be scammed because i actualy read the warning boxes and contract details before accepting them, i also look at sell values closely, i know 2 people who have been scammed differently.
1 contract scam with resource number in description 20m loss
1 sell order scam where a domi was labeled as 5.7m with extra digits after the decimal to make up the numbers.
There is no cure for stupidity. scamming should stay.
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Vayron
NovaeDyne Industries
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:02:00 -
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Counterfeiting money would be an exploit. Your analogy doesn't exactly fit your purpose.
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Wildy Trex
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:02:00 -
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perhaps using million/billion instead of all the 0's would be good fix. A screen full of 0's can be oppressive at times :P not to mention it's kinda crude.
in guild wars there was a scam in which people would put gold not plat (a difference in value of 1000), but such scamming was nailed pronto when the community went 'anet, stop this from happening!', and anet changed the code to stop it from happening.
so yeah, by putting million/billion in word form, or a coloured signifier M/B, 0 overload scams would die. If anet did it near instantly, why not CCP?
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:07:00 -
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Quote:
If anet did it near instantly, why not CCP?
Because the DEV's were griefers in UO, so they want that style of play here...
Building the homestead
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Wildy Trex
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
Quote:
If anet did it near instantly, why not CCP?
Because the DEV's were griefers in UO, so they want that style of play here...
a pity. it's not like anet have to worry about subscription fee's either. Still, everyone's entitled to play how they like, but when it's the user interface that does the griefing, you have to take issue eh :)
I still don't understand why the overview is transparent, I click on my target but no, i am now locking an asteroid or someone's secure can!
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Stakhanov
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:29:00 -
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If you complain about the skewed risk/reward for scammers , you only have alts to blame. Alts that haul stuff for you. Alts that salvage your mission while you shoot rats. Alts that generate ISK for your faction fitted PvP ships.
I use no alts , yet do some small time scamming for extra ISK. I already had some wardec threats , not followed up of course.
Eve is a player driven game. It's not up to CCP to protect you from your own stupidity. If you seek justice , you have to act by yourself.
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Kaathar Rielspar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jaggeh
There is no cure for stupidity. scamming should stay.
Sure there is, the only problem is that "Pro-Active Darwinism" tends to attract unwated time locked in a small room with bad food and a bucket in the corner.
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Detrol
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.15 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Wildy Trex
perhaps using million/billion instead of all the 0's would be good fix. A screen full of 0's can be oppressive at times :P not to mention it's kinda crude.
in guild wars there was a scam in which people would put gold not plat (a difference in value of 1000), but such scamming was nailed pronto when the community went 'anet, stop this from happening!', and anet changed the code to stop it from happening.
so yeah, by putting million/billion in word form, or a coloured signifier M/B, 0 overload scams would die. If anet did it near instantly, why not CCP?
Check prices on contracts... it says 10.000.000,00 (10 million isk)
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Vladikov Orrico
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:29:00 -
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CCP should start randomly double charging ppl's credit cards for their monthly subscriptions...
See how fast the "I love scams" crowd would change their tunes.
We could sit back and say "You gave them your credit card info?..you noob!"
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Wildy Trex
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Posted - 2007.03.15 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Detrol
Originally by: Wildy Trex
perhaps using million/billion instead of all the 0's would be good fix. A screen full of 0's can be oppressive at times :P not to mention it's kinda crude.
in guild wars there was a scam in which people would put gold not plat (a difference in value of 1000), but such scamming was nailed pronto when the community went 'anet, stop this from happening!', and anet changed the code to stop it from happening.
so yeah, by putting million/billion in word form, or a coloured signifier M/B, 0 overload scams would die. If anet did it near instantly, why not CCP?
Check prices on contracts... it says 10.000.000,00 (10 million isk)
that is true :) i should have pointed out that i was referring to the market window where it just blasts you with 0's
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2007.03.15 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Lord XSiV on 15/03/2007 15:14:11
As long as there are people, there will be scams.
Why?
Cause people are stupid. There is no cure for stupidity.
By the way, scamming is the basis of capitalism. It is also the basis of some religions (won't say to start a flame war) and can be directly associated with human instinct. Being smarter than someone else and relieving them of theirs spoils using jedi mind tricks is no different than being bigger, stronger and wacking them over the head for such spoils.
Anyhow, the only difference is the general acceptence or perception of the scam by the masses. For the most part, Government, Stock Exchanges and the Banking system are all acceptable scam types by the public but ponzi and pyramid schemes are not. Go figure.
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K'thang
Gallente
Ferengi Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.15 15:39:00 -
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Personally I do not mind scamming, and I have been scammed myself once just yesterday for 1bill worth of modules. I'm and old player, and that loss is easily replaced in a few days, so I just take it as experience. But I feel for younger players that lose everything though.
But what irritates people is that there is no way to strike back at most scammers because they mostly are alts in either a) NPC corp or b) 1-man corp that never leaves their station anyhow. So even if you wardec that 1-man corp, it wouldn't matter.
For those that do not use their alts, and risk wardecs to their corp when scamming, go for it. I totally respect that. But for those that do this in above said way, there is totally no risk vs. reward there. |
Diragi
Strife Mercenaries Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.15 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus
Make sence ? no, In real life the police would get right on that, the lady might even get lucky and get her car back, and the guy is deffinately going to get into some good trouble.
OP: Not a valid example imho as counterfeiting currency is a special case. Think of all the people that get scammed out of money for home renovations. As long as the contractor does "something" they usually get away free!
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