Hi. Dont know is this in the right place, but anyways.

Ive been running a few courier contracts to highsec citadels. One citadel I made one run to, but then on the second run my docking rights had been revoked . I now stand to lose several billion as I can not complete the contract.

It seems that my docking rights were removed after I took the contract. Is this possible? Or we my rights removed in between different contracts? Ive done a little searching and cant seem to find what the mechanics are. Is there a time limit where somone is blocked from docking only after 30 mins or somthing?

I know in null you need access to dock, and citidels are player owned so need access too, but is it really possible to set high collateral and then just block access while the contract is underway?

I take every precaution when hauling null/ low/ high and have completed many gank contracts in the past knowing the dangers involved, yet ive just been robbed of billions and i dont know how exactly it happened.

Any advice or suggestions?

The mechanics tho, can docking rights be removed after the contract is accepted?

Surely the person with the incoming contract should be immune to docking rights changes until the contract is delivered.

Its totally incompetent to have a dynamic i the game like this.

PS. It's not a bug, its a feature!

Changing the terms of the contract after its been accepted, as far as im aware, is not really somthing that has existed before. Not somthing that ive ever seen anyways.

The politics of nullsec dictate who can or cant dock. I reckon its very rare that a contract destined for a nullsec station gets locked out by the time it gets there because the sov holder was pulling a collateral scam.

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The terms did not change, you still have to deliver the cargo to x location for y ISK or lose z ISK. That said, this is a stupid mechanic. It strongly discourages the use of courier contracts to citadels since any one of them could have their access closed off, which hurts everyone who uses them. With gank contracts there's counterplay such as taking an alternate route, subcontracting to an alt if it hasn't been double-wrapped, or fitting max tank with logi/jams and surviving. Once you're locked out of a citadel, game over.

This is a ******* disgusting cheating piece of **** hole in the game which has cost me alot. Next time I log in its to sell my assets and donate my ISK to my corp. I wont be logging back in again after that.

^ Imperial Shipment isn't going to appreciate all your stuff like I will. Seriously - I can haz yur stuff?

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Thank you for an intelligent answer.

Blocking access is changing the terms, of course it is! It should null/void the bloody contract. I docked at the citadel beforehand aswell, just to make sure I could. Who would be stupid enough to take a contract for somwhere they cant dock?

This is a ******* disgusting cheating piece of **** hole in the game which has cost me alot. Next time I log in its to sell my assets and donate my ISK to my corp. I wont be logging back in again after that.

This is a ******* disgusting cheating piece of **** hole in the game which has cost me alot. Next time I log in its to sell my assets and donate my ISK to my corp. I wont be logging back in again after that.

You're not the firs person who has taken a crate of red herring to nowhere and lost a pile of space bucks. Courier Contracting, like pvp has a great many risks and nuances. Players get suckered every day. The problem in this case was your greed. You saw a way to a quick hauling score and ignored many possible bad outcomes.


You need to get your arms around the whole collateral thing in Eve. What it's for, what it does and so on. From this point on it is now perfectly clear that courier scamming is an option. Honestly, if you're still game for putting up billions in collateral, I have some hauling propositions for you. I'll even promise you have docking rights when you get to the destination. Though I doubt you'll make it.

Anyone can plastic wrap a small anti matter charge, label it as PLEX, The Pope or whatever and ask for zillions in collateral, then gank you in route. It's a scam of varying complexity. It ranges from the blind courier trip to a LS npc station that anyone can accept, to a minor confidence game (seems relevant to your case) where you get one or 2 cheap ones through as a setup to wonk you for a big score once you get comfortable hauling for me. I could honestly have you do legit hauling for me for our mutual benefit for a month and then wonk you for a quick score.

Courier contracts have no guarantees of safe passage, honorable interaction or docking access when you get there. I've never done them because Eve being Eve... why would I?

TL/DR You've been had, deal with it and possibly consider a profession that isn't based on trust in Eve.

Just read another forum about this stuff, so to answer my own question;

Yes, docking rights can be removed after the accepting of the contract.

I conclude the following -

This is unbelievable bullshit of the highest order.

Its totally incompetent to have a dynamic i the game like this.

If it's in the same region, there is a a counter:
Go to the destination station and dock. They can't kick you out as far as I know, only prevent you from docking.
Accept the contract.
Courier contract it to an alt. Scammer doesn't know to block the alt.
Alt delivers the box, you deliver the box which appears in your hangar.