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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:21:57 -
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Alpha clones must NOT be able to light any form of cyno. If not, every single low and null system will have a cloaky alpha clone sitting in it.
I am not normally against cloaky campers (i advocate just dealing with them if they decloak), but FREE cloaky campers? Hell no, every cloaky camper that exists represents a sub or plex and the opportunity costs associated with that. FREE cloakys destroy that.
I know what CCP is trying to achieve. What they will actually achieve is just a bunch of new Tech1 fitted Navy Vexors (don't even need 5 mil SP for that) for veterans. Even if they try the same thing they do with trial accounts (can't be used with paid accounts), there are ways around that.
Think long and hard on this one CCP, you actually can mess up a lot if you don't do this one right. |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:27:25 -
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Querns wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Alpha clones must NOT be able to light any form of cyno. If not, every single low and null system will have a cloaky alpha clone sitting in it.
I am not normally against cloaky campers (i advocate just dealing with them if they decloak), but FREE cloaky campers? Hell no, every cloaky camper that exists represents a sub or plex and the opportunity costs associated with that. FREE cloakys destroy that.
I know what CCP is trying to achieve. What they will actually achieve is just a bunch of new Tech1 fitted Navy Vexors (don't even need 5 mil SP for that) for veterans. Even if they try the same thing they do with trial accounts (can't be used with paid accounts), there are ways around that.
Think long and hard on this one CCP, you actually can mess up a lot if you don't do this one right. Read the post; Cynosural Field Theory is not on the list of skills allowed to be trained by alpha clones and is in fact listed specifically as a barred skill.
I see that now. Big relief. |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:32:18 -
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Titus Tallang wrote:Multiple logins from Omega and Alpha accounts at the same time must be prohibited, and circumventing this must be a bannable offense.
Otherwise I (and I'm sure many others) will just start multiboxing 10 griffins (at a total cost of 2 million isk, so I don't even have to pay any real attention to those clients) in addition to my main in every single fight, and I'm not sure if that's really the gameplay you are looking for. Don't turn this into "who can micromanage the most accounts at the same time", please.
PS: Apart from that, I'm cautiously optimistic. Free multiboxing is my primary issue.
Griffin are hard to multibox without automation. TRISTANS (and other drone ships, hell, any ship that can assign drones) are not.
I agree, multiple log ins across clone state must be prohibited. nothing wrong with multi boxing, but if we can multibox with alphas I WILL be putting a whole bunch of new drone ships in null sec anoms. My Inflationary pressure will blot out the Sun over CCP Quant's office window.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.08.31 14:35:23 -
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Kahless Monstrosity wrote:What about FW LP farming? I see people creating tons of free characters to farm FW LP?
True, I've done lvl 4 FW missions in Caracals with minimal tech2 fittings, won't be hard to use tech1..
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:08:57 -
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It's good that CCP left heavy drones off the list, but you can still pve plenty well with tech1 mediums.
Here is an idea to curb the potetinal multiboxing abuse if CCP doesn't at least want to limit alpha/omega clone multiboxing:
Don't let alpha clones assign drones to anyone. |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:19:02 -
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Valkyrie Freya wrote:I am not convinced its good idea yet. its going to swell ranks of some major alliances and like to silly levels and it will need to be limited to one alpha account online per PC (IP/MAC). Otherwise it you will be able to have ton of free alts and s h i t DPS something with numbers over skill
I am contractually obligated to now say this: " Dreddit is REALLY recruiting now"!
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:35:13 -
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Valterra Craven wrote:Wait, now I'm curious, if people are leaving Eve because they can't pay for it, what exactly is the purpose of wanting to keep people playing that have no money to give to you?
It's not that, it's that CCP does understand that (as nonsensical it is to me and others), that whole "50 cents per day for 23.5 hours of game time" thing is a psycological barrier to some people.
The idea is to let those people have some bit of EVE for 'free' and then depend on other psycological pressures to get them to go beyond that ("I got blown up because I can't use tech2, I'm going to sub and fit tech2 stuff and win!!!").
So far so good, i don't really have a problem with that though I think it's naive thinking. The Sub isn't a big barrier, lack of thempark style pve and EVE non-consensual pvp natures are WAY bigger barriers to most players, and if CCP touches those they will be admitting that the EVE experiment is a failure.
But, unless CCp rethinks some things about this 'feature', they are going to run smack dab into a version of "Malcanis' law" where old players are going to use the feature to improve their experience while new players end up quitting anyways, just like it happened every other time someone at CCP uttered the words "this will help new players". |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:13:40 -
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You poor poor people don't understand what this means. You don't see the REAL CASUALTY of this terrible move by CCP.
What is going to happen to all the "I Quit" posts?
"I quit" from a game you pay 15 bucks a month for has really power to change the course of CCPs development direction (15 bucks is a lot of money in places like Zimbabwe and Borneo), but "I'm quitting this free to play game that I never paid for in the 1st place" just doesn't have the same implied threat power!
Won't someone think of the (brain damaged, manipulative) children here????
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:51:03 -
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Rapala Armiron wrote:Nicolai Serkanner wrote:I can not believe CCP takes this path. One example: have multiple T1 ganker clones for free. Another one: have dozens of T1 mining alts emptying belts faster than they can spawn.
What are you thinking CCP?
They are thinking that they are out of ideas. They tried attracting casuals by making eve a more friendly place and that didnt work. They tried dumbing down the game and that didnt work. They forgot what made eve good in the first place, abandoning their base in favor of chasing after wow players. Nothing has worked. They are at the end of the rope. So like all mmo dev's who are out of ideas they throw in the towel and go ftp. Ofc this wont work. FTP attracts casuals - but eve is built around hardcore players - the casuals will spike eve's player count in the short term - but it wont last. It never does. The casuals being casuals they will fade away. A year from now eve will be in a worse place then it is today. Well it was a good run.
EVE isn't over, this kind of thing , even if we don't like it that much, isn't enough to destroy the game. But you are right in that it is the latest in a long line of moves aimed at bringing in new players that is again likely to fail because it doesn't address the core issues that keep people out of EVE:
Of the top of my head those issues are:
-Space setting (most people want elves and crap)
-non-consensual pvp (most mmo players despise this)
-The way ships are "flown" (of to Massively OP and read the comments, you will see this come up time and again)
-Lack of Avatars for people to "identify with
-Permanent loss of items/"death penalty"
-Sandbox nature of the game (most gamers want to experience a story, not make one)
And I'm sure there are more. The real problem is that the EVE community is mostly made up of ANTI-MMO players who like that EVE isn't like the others with all the leveling and sharding and pvp flags and instancing and safe cities and whatnot.
A game like EVE is forever going to be a niche that mostly attracts non-mainstream folks, and while it's natural for any business to try to squeeze every dime they can out of a property, there is simply a limit on how far that can go. That's true of everything, not just EVE.
My prediction is it doesn't destroy everything but it ends up like "opportunities" and the new NPE and such things: in the end it will have little to no positive or negative effect.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:38:01 -
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Rapala Armiron wrote:
I agree that this wont work because ftp doesnt work. But list of reasons why people dont play eve is flat wrong. Eve is a niche game that catered to hardcore players. It was counter programming to games like wow. When eve embraced its hardcore status it thrived. The more articles that appeared in the news about big fights, assassinations and corp thefts, the more eve grew.
Eve only went off the rails when CCP started chasing casuals. Just as an example - when I first started playing there was a pretty good chance that someone would haze you in a starting player system - they would put up a can saying something like "tactical supplies" waiting for you to take it and when you did they would blap you. Sure it was not sporting - but it gave players a taste of the true eve - while those that didnt like it left, others, htfu and figured out how to survive - those survivors became long term players. Now, ccp has made it so the starter zones are safe bubbles divorced from the real rules of eve. So a starting player does not get to experience being ganked until later in his career - so instead of losing an ibis in a starter zone they loss a faction bs which they bought with plex in a lvl4 mission system. Since they hadnt been hazed early in their career and no one told them about pvp in their tutorial new player experience - they had no idea that they could be ganked and when they lose that faction bs they rage and maybe quit. By making eve starter systems more safe and friendly - all ccp did was make the lessons harder to swallow in the long run.
???
Isn't that what I've been saying?
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:51:57 -
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Colman Dietmar wrote:Will be funny if online doesn't improve after this. Even more funny if it just continues to decline.
I'm not hoping this will happen. Hell, i can actually truthfully say that I hope i am wrong. But I am saying I think this will happen (if history is a guide). It seems gimmicky.
Some are surprised that there is not more anger at the announcement. I think that can be summed up by 1 thing, "anger fatigue". We've been slapped around so much the last couple years, everything from jump fatigue to skill injection and all the rest, that it's almost hard to get angry anymore lol. I mean, who wasn't expecting this?
I just hope that one day CCP goes back to their hardcore viking "here's a ship, **** you" ways of building upon EVE's strengths as a harsh unforgiving Darwinistic place. As it is now, CCP is trying to move forward by addressing it's weaknesses (ie attract more casual, risk averse standard mmo players who think 50 cents a day is robbery), and that's just not going to end well IMO. |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.08.31 17:57:25 -
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Arkoth 24 wrote:Logan Revelore wrote:Good initiative.
Next up if you ask me, starting to spread a thin layer of themepark on top of the sandbox, which contains themepark stuff to do, stuff that's achieved by using sandbox tools. Rewards for daily logins next, pl0x.
Yep,. it's like that 
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.09.01 17:30:34 -
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MidnightWyvern wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Martin Corwin wrote:So trials are just getting an upgrade from 21 days to unlimited time. Meh. Wake me up when there's real news.  Pretty much what is happening yes I'm so happy more people are starting to realize this. It's really not going to change anything that much. We'll just have more people to play with.
If more people don't materialize, then what?
Sure, it might mean a temporary influx of people given all the news about it it, but so did B-R, and "This is EVE" and other newsworthy events. So I'll ask again, if (imo when, but ok let's go with IF) 'more people' doesn't happen, will this finally be enough to help naive people understand that it's not some barrier keeping people out of EVE it's a whole bunch of other stuff (like being a sandbox game in a world where gamers want and need directing, nonconsensual pvp in a world where people want protection from pvp, etc etc).
Just asking, because the same though occurs to me every time I see this kind of thing. Like how everyone was claiming that Dominion (and later Aegis) were going to be great for small groups, or how people proclaimed how daillies would bring lots of people back etc etc. Year after year we've seen this in discussions about EVE.
How many times do people have to be wrong before they change their thinking? |

Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.09.01 17:34:23 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Martin Corwin wrote:So trials are just getting an upgrade from 21 days to unlimited time. Meh. Wake me up when there's real news.  Pretty much what is happening yes I'm so happy more people are starting to realize this. It's really not going to change anything that much. We'll just have more people to play with. Why do you think I've largely keep quiet on the topic. It's a red herring, a deeply concerning one but far from the deathly shrieking some think it is. Also might be a faint, to thin the old guard somewhat (shah,dmc don't go, im right with you on principle but don't become martyr's because ye don't like the the weather forecasts)
Well said. I ain't leaving.
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GÇ£The people who were trying to make this world imaginary spaceship universe worse are not taking the day off. Why should I?GÇ¥
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