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Asimov Andies
Gallente
Red Blade Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.16 19:27:00 -
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enough asked, discuss.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.16 19:33:00 -
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They are two roughly equivalent ways to waste money. 
If you're buying mid-end cards, its cheaper to just buy one high-end than two SLI/Crossfire mid-ends.
If you're buying a high end card, getting two is probably totally useless on anything other than 3DMark06 
I have yet to find a game where an 8800 GTX would be bottlenecked by any known CPU.
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Trapted
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.16 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Trapted on 16/03/2007 19:42:23
 Originally by: Dark Shikari
They are two roughly equivalent ways to waste money.
If you're buying mid-end cards, its cheaper to just buy one high-end than two SLI/Crossfire mid-ends.
If you're buying a high end card, getting two is probably totally useless on anything other than 3DMark06
I have yet to find a game where an 8800 GTX would be bottlenecked by any known CPU.
Wait.. wait.. wait....... a sec
Are you trying to imply that there is more to wasting 1/20 of an annual wage on a insane PC then trying to enter the Top 10 list of 3DMar06?
Sorry couldn't resist, as DS has already pointed out the technology is good for the sake of technology but theres little benefit to the mainstream user and I dont think we need a ATI vs Nvidea fanboy debate
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Vari
Carbide Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.16 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Trapted
I dont think we need a ATI vs Nvidea fanboy debate
Crossfire. AMD Graphic's top offerings right now are clearly better than that Nvidia 8000gtx whatever that pos is called. Oh yeah, and AMD forever, it's the always been the fastest and always will be.
barfffff. Someone lock this thread! Here I'll do it now, the Democrats are a bunch of baby-killing ***-sex-loving elite educated paganistic hedonist bottom-dwellers. George Bush is a leader divined from God and he and the Republican Party deserve to hold their monopoly of legislative power from the Democrats and their 'educated' ways. Anyone who doesn't fully support him and his War on Terror hates God and hates freedom. *
* Summary of The Colbert Report
baaaarf. Man, I bet it's hard being Stephen Colbert himself 
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.16 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Vari
Originally by: Trapted
I dont think we need a ATI vs Nvidea fanboy debate
Crossfire. AMD Graphic's top offerings right now are clearly better than that Nvidia 8000gtx whatever that pos is called. Oh yeah, and AMD forever, it's the always been the fastest and always will be.
Um, ATI's competitor to the 8800 isn't even out yet.
You can't claim product X is superior to product Y until product X exists.
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Shalia Ripper
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.16 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Um, ATI's competitor to the 8800 isn't even out yet.
You can't claim product X is superior to product Y until product X exists.
DS for the GAME/SET/MATCH.
While some might not think SLI is "worthwhile", it can be a good way to give an older card life...with a little work on SLI. NVidia says that their cards will only work with the same card, same revision, same bios. But with some tweaking, BIOS hacks and so on, you can get different NVidia cards to work together. One might be gimped a bit, but the two together will still outperform one of them alone.
Crossfire, on the other hand, does this out of the box. Put in two mismatched cards and it will automatically gimp the better card to the lesser card's performance...still having better performance than each card would individually.
As long as you have the foresight to spend a little on a SLI/Crossfire mobo in the first place.
As for R600, whatever. I have never gotten an ATI card to work right out of the box, and I will never try again. If that makes me a NVidia fanboy, sobeit.
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El Berto
Eye of God
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Posted - 2007.03.16 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Vari
Originally by: Trapted
I dont think we need a ATI vs Nvidea fanboy debate
Crossfire. AMD Graphic's top offerings right now are clearly better than that Nvidia 8000gtx whatever that pos is called. Oh yeah, and AMD forever, it's the always been the fastest and always will be.
Um, ATI's competitor to the 8800 isn't even out yet.
You can't claim product X is superior to product Y until product X exists.
Ahhh, sarcasm on the internet. Great isn't it? 
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.17 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
If you're buying mid-end cards, its cheaper to just buy one high-end than two SLI/Crossfire mid-ends.
Some highends are actually basically just two cheaper cards stuck together, no? Some particular variant of the nividia ones...
Anyway:
1. Buy high end SLI-compatible card
2. Wait until computer needs upgrade
3. Buy another of the above card for pennies
4. Profit?
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Shalia Ripper
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.17 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Dark Shikari
If you're buying mid-end cards, its cheaper to just buy one high-end than two SLI/Crossfire mid-ends.
Some highends are actually basically just two cheaper cards stuck together, no? Some particular variant of the nividia ones...
Anyway:
1. Buy high end SLI-compatible card
2. Wait until computer needs upgrade
3. Buy another of the above card for pennies
4. Profit?
I vote for #4.
The 7950GTX is two GPUs on a single card. It is theorized that there will be a 8950GTX as well.
I still say ATI can't write drivers to save themselves.
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Shalia Ripper
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.17 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: El Berto
Ahhh, sarcasm on the internet. Great isn't it?
Sarcasm? Or incredible delusions?
So difficult....
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Aeon Jonas
Caldari
The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2007.03.18 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Vari
Originally by: Trapted
I dont think we need a ATI vs Nvidea fanboy debate
Crossfire. AMD Graphic's top offerings right now are clearly better than that Nvidia 8000gtx whatever that pos is called. Oh yeah, and AMD forever, it's the always been the fastest and always will be.
barfffff. Someone lock this thread! Here I'll do it now, the Democrats are a bunch of baby-killing ***-sex-loving elite educated paganistic hedonist bottom-dwellers. George Bush is a leader divined from God and he and the Republican Party deserve to hold their monopoly of legislative power from the Democrats and their 'educated' ways. Anyone who doesn't fully support him and his War on Terror hates God and hates freedom. *
* Summary of The Colbert Report
baaaarf. Man, I bet it's hard being Stephen Colbert himself
The AMD bit. Now let me first say I like AMD they make good CPU's I like them more than Intel but Intel core 2 duos and quadro and extremes etc etc are just plain faster than AMD. Its fact. Ad I ahve the 2.0Ghz Core 2 Duo simply because its very fast and faster than its AMD counterpart and well I am on a Mac and they ship with Intel now. Let the Mac Flaming begin.
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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.18 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Vari
Originally by: Trapted
I dont think we need a ATI vs Nvidea fanboy debate
Crossfire. AMD Graphic's top offerings right now are clearly better than that Nvidia 8000gtx whatever that pos is called. Oh yeah, and AMD forever, it's the always been the fastest and always will be.
Um, ATI's competitor to the 8800 isn't even out yet.
You can't claim product X is superior to product Y until product X exists.
Considering the top end R600 card eats up 230+ watts I don't even want to think about the PSU needed to power 2 of them...
That said though it'll blow the 8800 out of the water.
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alesta
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Posted - 2007.03.18 02:22:00 -
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its all blarney............seriously......... any single high end card does the job just fine for at least 1-2 years........... ive had a sli 7800gt setup..... and atm i have a crossfire setup..theres nothing reral signifigant about eithr one or the fact that i have 2...other then nerdy brag rights,,,wich in the end is just a epeen contest of who spen the most......other then that is useless...... and for amd vs intel people.....thats all blarney too....1 being marginally faaster/better is all useless ****......other then epeen contest again about who spent the most to get an additional 10 fps....... im an intel person...ive had amd and intel and i prefer intel.... i also prefer ati over nvidia...ive always been happier with ati then nvidia....and ive never once had a problem with ati's drivers.....
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Grez
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.22 02:14:00 -
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Crossfire is superior to SLI. SLI wastes about 30-40% of one of the cards, whereas Crossfire doesn't (although it is let down by it's driver support, although to be honest, SLI isn't any better).
Crossfire also works in EVE, whereas SLI doesn't due to the way it works.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.22 02:50:00 -
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yet if i remember correctly Voodoo SLI worked with any game that supported glide, wonder why Nvidia SLI isnt the same with DirectX since they bought 3dFX to get SLI tech.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.03.22 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
If you're buying mid-end cards, its cheaper to just buy one high-end than two SLI/Crossfire mid-ends.
If you're buying a high end card, getting two is probably totally useless on anything other than 3DMark06
I have yet to find a game where an 8800 GTX would be bottlenecked by any known CPU.
DS wins!
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Grez
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.22 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
yet if i remember correctly Voodoo SLI worked with any game that supported glide, wonder why Nvidia SLI isnt the same with DirectX since they bought 3dFX to get SLI tech.
Works differently because Voodoo worked with Glide. In the year 1410, there was a rendering technology called GlideFX, which was a subset of OpenGL. This is what 3d-FX used, and it is why their SLI worked (ribbon cables 4tw).
Nvidia have to work with generalised DX or OpenGL settings, hence it can't right specific routines to handle the calls to the hardware (well, it could, but the cards would be significantly bigger, and take longer to produce, as well as cost more).
Crossfire utilises 100% of each card due to the way it renders frames, but requires a more knowledged mind to get working. SLI loses a lot of it's power because of it's ease to install (if you can call it ease).
In the end, it's really up to the end user. Although SLI really only tends to show it's true prowess in Nvidia sponsered games, and even then, they require optimisations to be made to the game before SLI gains can be seen. ATI doesn't need this, and in general, just "works" with most games.
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Kyozoku
Mutiny.
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Posted - 2007.03.22 06:49:00 -
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They're both gimmicks to fool you into getting a second graphics card.
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