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Raker Plaude
Australian Belt Strippers
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2016.09.06 05:14:51 -
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Hey guys,
So I'm getting in to my first Endurance ship tonight and am in the process of trying to finalise the fitting that I'm chasing. I've read through all the E-Uni stuff, and any fitting threads that I can find on here and have some questions before I go into my fit.
It's mainly, at this point, for some wormhole ice mining and with the fit below I have enough CPU, PG and it's cap stable at about 55%.
- Would having a Warp Core Stabilizer or two not be potentially better filling up the lows with Ice Harvester Upgrade modules? Most fits ignore the WCS's in preference of the IHU's.
- Most fits that I've found show preference of Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints over Small Polycarbon Engine Housing rigs. There is only a slight difference in align time when fitting between the two of them (0.3 seconds) compared with, roughly, a 100m/s speed increase. I'm not why the Engine Housings are not used in most other fits?
- I have the CPU and PG for either 2 Small Shield Extenders or 2 Adaptive Invulnerability Field modules. The AIF's give me more EHP (about 700) but, obviously, less overall shield. There is a bit of an EM hole but if I take an EM Ward Field and Small Shield Extender it's not as bad. It doesn't look like there's much love for the Extenders, and I was wondering why? (It's starting to look apparent now though...)
- I looked at having a 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner, instead of the 1MN variant. It's double the velocity, but I'd have to sacrifice one of my rigs for a Small Ancillary Current Router and make some other changes. Would there be any major advantage in going for a bit more of a speed tank over some align time and shield tank instead?
- Final question, should I be considering more ECM modules? I saw more than one fit that had at least one ECM module in there, but I've never used them so don't know if it would be as useful as a bigger shield tank?
Ok, so, with all of that, I'm thinking that my fit would be something like this:
Quote:[Endurance, Ice mining - Endurance]
Warp Core Stabilizer II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Small Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Ice Mining Laser I
Improved Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II
Small Core Defense Field Extender II
Hornet EC-300 x3
Hobgoblin II x3
I think I'm starting to see my problem, I'm not really focusing one one or two aspects. I just changed the second Polycarbon Housing into the Core Defense rig and liked the 1k boost to EHP. But not my signature radius has gone up, I've dropped a little speed and my align time increase.
I suppose my main question would be, will a set of EC drones be enough to break a lock if I manage to miss someone coming in? If so, I'd choose a fast align time and smaller sig.
This $***'s too hard ;)
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Aaron Raus
Diving club
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Posted - 2016.09.06 07:54:24 -
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[Endurance, T2]
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Scan Rangefinding Array I
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Ice Mining Laser II
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Hobgoblin II x3
Hornet EC-300 x3
If you see something on d-scan - you cloak, do not try to run with oversized prop or tank what ever combat ship. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2219
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Posted - 2016.09.06 11:10:16 -
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99.999999% of eve does not mine ice in wh. There are quite a few good reasons for that. If this isn't a bait endurance - you're going to end up sad and/or frustrated.
Ice is in the shattered systems which are both huge (many au across) and have a lot of wh connections. To ice mine in one with a reasonable modicum of safety you'll have to scan out all the signatures - an hour or so. Set scouts on all the wh connections (probably 4 characters on average) and get to work. One endurance mining ice isn't going to make all that effort pay off.
The issue w/ shattered systems being large is that I can enter the system off of your d-scan and cloak. I can then find you, talk to my buddies for hours (that's how long ice mining takes) and we can set up the perfect trap at our leisure. That trap could be bubbling your return route and spooking you to the trap. Grabbing you with a insta-locking bombers in the belt.... and so on.
The path to wh ice mining is paved with tears and shattered ships and pods. You'll be happier juggling chainsaws blindfolded. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions
O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1402
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Posted - 2016.09.06 11:46:55 -
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As coincidence would have it, I looked at mine last night and without fleet boost and all on my own, it is less than 15 minutes or 15 times 57.6 seconds.
But as far as frigate ship combat goes even 14 minutes and a little is still enough time to sink an Endurance solo.
If the shattered wormhole has a nullsec connection, I would go there and get the ice instead.
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Raker Plaude
Australian Belt Strippers
Apocalypse Now.
6
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Posted - 2016.09.06 22:23:25 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:99.999999% of eve does not mine ice in wh. There are quite a few good reasons for that. If this isn't a bait endurance - you're going to end up sad and/or frustrated.
Thanks! Yeah, I (thankfully) found this out before I undocked. So instead I moved it down to null and started mining there instead.
However, whilst the info so far has been good, I was more interested in learning why some fits seemed quite common as I haven't built many fits up from scratch before.
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Raker Plaude
Australian Belt Strippers
Apocalypse Now.
6
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Posted - 2016.09.06 22:24:30 -
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Aaron Raus wrote:[Endurance, T2]
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Scan Rangefinding Array I
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Ice Mining Laser II
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Hobgoblin II x3
Hornet EC-300 x3
If you see something on d-scan - you cloak, do not try to run with oversized prop or tank what ever combat ship.
Ok so, as I asked above, why do you not worry about any warp core stabilizers?
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
1014
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Posted - 2016.09.06 23:07:29 -
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Raker Plaude wrote:Aaron Raus wrote:[Endurance, T2]
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Scan Rangefinding Array I
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Ice Mining Laser II
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Hobgoblin II x3
Hornet EC-300 x3
If you see something on d-scan - you cloak, do not try to run with oversized prop or tank what ever combat ship. Ok so, as I asked above, why do you not worry about any warp core stabilizers?
Not worth it. Even a sole faction scram would pin you down, and the point of the cloak is to avoid getting pointed in the first place. In short, if you fit your Endurance to wait until then to bail, you're already smoked.
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"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
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Raker Plaude
Australian Belt Strippers
Apocalypse Now.
6
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Posted - 2016.09.07 00:19:45 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:Not worth it. Even a sole faction scram would pin you down, and the point of the cloak is to avoid getting pointed in the first place. In short, if you fit your Endurance to wait until then to bail, you're already smoked.
Yeah ok, I figured as much and the other WCS's were actually on a Prospect as well if I remember. Awesome, I've got some additional Upgrade mmodules in station so will fit up tonight.
Thanks!
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions
404 Hole Not Found
1746
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Posted - 2016.09.07 01:28:05 -
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A 10MN will save you a lot more than any extra shield buffer would since you don't have an exit strategy if caught.
Speed is always the key with these kinds of ships as they often not combat capable and can't fit significant enough tank to survive a gang until help arrives
Just go max yield with as much agility and velocity you can get. Damage control might make sense to tank the thing pointing you until you can get rid of it.
I might even suggest sticking a defensive scram on your ship to shake off something fast like a Sabre that just won't go away |
Ocean Ormand
Bagel and Lox
30
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Posted - 2016.09.07 18:44:04 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:99.999999% of eve does not mine ice in wh. There are quite a few good reasons for that. If this isn't a bait endurance - you're going to end up sad and/or frustrated.
Ice is in the shattered systems which are both huge (many au across) and have a lot of wh connections. To ice mine in one with a reasonable modicum of safety you'll have to scan out all the signatures - an hour or so. Set scouts on all the wh connections (probably 4 characters on average) and get to work. One endurance mining ice isn't going to make all that effort pay off.
The issue w/ shattered systems being large is that I can enter the system off of your d-scan and cloak. I can then find you, talk to my buddies for hours (that's how long ice mining takes) and we can set up the perfect trap at our leisure. That trap could be bubbling your return route and spooking you to the trap. Grabbing you with a insta-locking bombers in the belt.... and so on.
The path to wh ice mining is paved with tears and shattered ships and pods. You'll be happier juggling chainsaws blindfolded.
Honestly, is it that bad? My impression of shattered systems was that they were barren, empty, utterly devoid of life, with the exception of the occasional passerby. Moreover, since shattered systems are largely ignored, I suspect that you could ice mine in relative peace as no one would really expect to find anyone doing such a thing in a shattered system. Finally, icebelts generally huge. So warp in - mwd to one end of the ice belt and start mining - if a hunter sees you on dscan they will warp directly to the belt which will be many km away from you forcing them to slowboat to you while cloaked which is a frustrating experience - especially if you bounce every once in a while to a different point in that belt or another belt. Of course you will lose ships, but if you are hell bent on ice mining in a shattered wh, you have to treat it as the cost of doing business.
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Raker Plaude
Australian Belt Strippers
Apocalypse Now.
6
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Posted - 2016.09.07 23:14:53 -
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Ocean Ormand wrote:Honestly, is it that bad? My impression of shattered systems was that they were barren, empty, utterly devoid of life, with the exception of the occasional passerby. Moreover, since shattered systems are largely ignored, I suspect that you could ice mine in relative peace as no one would really expect to find anyone doing such a thing in a shattered system. Finally, icebelts generally huge. So warp in - mwd to one end of the ice belt and start mining - if a hunter sees you on dscan they will warp directly to the belt which will be many km away from you forcing them to slowboat to you while cloaked which is a frustrating experience - especially if you bounce every once in a while to a different point in that belt or another belt. Of course you will lose ships, but if you are hell bent on ice mining in a shattered wh, you have to treat it as the cost of doing business.
I might re-look at this down the track then, but so far it's been easy enough in null so I might start to look for a way into wormhole ice mining whilst doing that.
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
949
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Posted - 2016.09.08 06:21:20 -
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@OP: If you're looking to mine in wormholes, look at mining Gas. The Core sites in the C5/6 class holes are worth the effort. you can either ninja mine until the rats show up or try your hand at Jedi Mining.
Serendipity Lost wrote:The path to wh ice mining is paved with tears and shattered ships and pods. You'll be happier juggling chainsaws blindfolded.
if ice mining gave the adrenaline rush as blindfolded chainsaw juggling, i'd go ice mining.
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Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
The-Culture
220
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Posted - 2016.09.09 04:00:44 -
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Raker Plaude wrote:Aaron Raus wrote:[Endurance, T2]
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Scan Rangefinding Array I
1MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Ice Mining Laser II
Prototype Cloaking Device I
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Hobgoblin II x3
Hornet EC-300 x3
If you see something on d-scan - you cloak, do not try to run with oversized prop or tank what ever combat ship. Ok so, as I asked above, why do you not worry about any warp core stabilizers?
Warp core stabs are negated by interdictor bubbles. Fit them in low sec not null sec. The cloak is more use to you.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions
O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1403
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Posted - 2016.09.09 11:11:35 -
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If only someone wrote a fitting guide you could ask nicely via pm to open her thread again to add a few things..
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We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
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Raker Plaude
Australian Belt Strippers
Apocalypse Now.
6
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Posted - 2016.09.12 01:05:02 -
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elitatwo wrote:If only someone wrote a fitting guide you could ask nicely via pm to open her thread again to add a few things..
I've actually read that through a couple of times: when I first started and more recently. It was definitely useful and I would love it if you reopened and added to it. It got me to the point of choosing the correct bill and main fittings but I still struggled a bit with some of the more specific parts. |
Echo Mande
80
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Posted - 2016.09.13 12:34:02 -
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This is something I've used in lowsec
Quote:[Endurance, Ice Eater Plus 4]
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II
Small Shield Booster II
Medium Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender
Ice Mining Laser II
Prototype Cloaking Device I
[empty high slot]
Small Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Add drones to taste.
One thing I usually do to avoid unfriendly company is to have a fleetmate in a POS or other safe place (citadel tether zone) and warp or squad warp to him when neuts show up in system or on dscan. It's a frig so it's got a decent align, just don't mine near a site warp-in.
Wallet remarks everywhere
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