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Delboy0	Posted - 2007.03.18 15:36:00 - [1] Im looking for a setup for the Deimos + Ishtar. It must be able to tank the sentrys for along period of time if possible, and not run out of cap to quick. It will be for low sec pirating such as 0.4's etc. Delboy
Darius Amir	Posted - 2007.03.19 01:47:00 - [2] A Brutix and Myr might be better for a pirate duo. A lot cheaper to buy (and not NEAR as big of a hit when you lose it) and just as effective as HACs now.
jbob2000 Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.19 03:14:00 - [3] Deimos runs out of cap extremely fast, and ishtar is crap for gate camp because the drones will take forever to get to your target. As the above said, go with the new tier 2 BCs (drake has awsome passive tank, and does good damage). ________________________________ KIA Recruitment
Tulisin Dragonflame	Posted - 2007.03.19 04:33:00 - [4] Originally by: jbob2000 Deimos runs out of cap extremely fast, and ishtar is crap for gate camp because the drones will take forever to get to your target. As the above said, go with the new tier 2 BCs (drake has awsome passive tank, and does good damage). Could this be negated by setting up some sentry drones away from the gate, and then tackling for them in the Ishtar? Sentries aren't equal to t2 heavies in damage, of course, but the lack of travel time might make up for it.
Cpt Abestos Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.19 06:08:00 - [5] Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame Originally by: jbob2000 Deimos runs out of cap extremely fast, and ishtar is crap for gate camp because the drones will take forever to get to your target. As the above said, go with the new tier 2 BCs (drake has awsome passive tank, and does good damage). Could this be negated by setting up some sentry drones away from the gate, and then tackling for them in the Ishtar? Sentries aren't equal to t2 heavies in damage, of course, but the lack of travel time might make up for it. Not really because the sentry guns will just switch off to the drones and kill them, the ishtar is kind of balls for sentry tanking
Tulisin Dragonflame	Posted - 2007.03.19 06:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Cpt Abestos Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame Originally by: jbob2000 Deimos runs out of cap extremely fast, and ishtar is crap for gate camp because the drones will take forever to get to your target. As the above said, go with the new tier 2 BCs (drake has awsome passive tank, and does good damage). Could this be negated by setting up some sentry drones away from the gate, and then tackling for them in the Ishtar? Sentries aren't equal to t2 heavies in damage, of course, but the lack of travel time might make up for it. Not really because the sentry guns will just switch off to the drones and kill them, the ishtar is kind of balls for sentry tanking 1. Sentries won't switch to drone sentries if the Ishtar is tanking them. 2. You can get the drone sentries to have a longer range than the gate sentries, albiet not easily.
Cpt Abestos Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.19 07:18:00 - [7] Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame Originally by: Cpt Abestos Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame Originally by: jbob2000 Deimos runs out of cap extremely fast, and ishtar is crap for gate camp because the drones will take forever to get to your target. As the above said, go with the new tier 2 BCs (drake has awsome passive tank, and does good damage). Could this be negated by setting up some sentry drones away from the gate, and then tackling for them in the Ishtar? Sentries aren't equal to t2 heavies in damage, of course, but the lack of travel time might make up for it. Not really because the sentry guns will just switch off to the drones and kill them, the ishtar is kind of balls for sentry tanking 1. Sentries won't switch to drone sentries if the Ishtar is tanking them. 2. You can get the drone sentries to have a longer range than the gate sentries, albiet not easily. The gate guns cycle targets including drones so they will kill them, they also have a 150km range.
Ronin Reborn Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.03.19 11:11:00 - [8] Really poor pair of ships to gate gank with. Ishtars drones will be popped and the deimos is a gank ship, trying to tank it usually results in futility. In my experience a 1600mm plate thorax can gate gank a hauler and gtfo before popping, if something shoots at you its goodnight though. I imagine theres not much difference between rax and deimos when it comes to gate ganking, except you lose more isk when it pops. BS is your best bet though, by FAR.
Bellum Eternus Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.19 11:22:00 - [9] Originally by: Ronin Reborn Really poor pair of ships to gate gank with. Ishtars drones will be popped and the deimos is a gank ship, trying to tank it usually results in futility. In my experience a 1600mm plate thorax can gate gank a hauler and gtfo before popping, if something shoots at you its goodnight though. I imagine theres not much difference between rax and deimos when it comes to gate ganking, except you lose more isk when it pops. BS is your best bet though, by FAR. No way. Passive drake. No comparison. Life Begins at -10! FIX RECON PROBES
Deimos Regal Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.03.19 11:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Delboy0 Im looking for a setup for the Deimos + Ishtar. It must be able to tank the sentrys for along period of time if possible, and not run out of cap to quick. It will be for low sec pirating such as 0.4's etc. Delboy As others said, go with a Drake or Myrm for sentry tanking in low-sec. If someone sees you sentry tanking in low-sec in a HAC, they will bait you and gank you just for the KM. Well, they will bait you and gank you in a BC too, but the isk loss won't hurt as much.
Bailian Moxtain Toys R Us	Posted - 2007.03.19 11:49:00 - [11] he didnt ask for switching ships tho, did he? Deimos: 5x Ions II 1 x med nos ------------ 1 x disruptor 1 x web 1 x mwd ------------ 1 x med rep II 1 x rcu 1 x explosive hardener 1 x eanm II 2 x mag stab 5 x drones (valkyrie II or hammerhead II) Think that will fit *- made in Norway -*
Segmentor Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.19 12:46:00 - [12] Edited by: Segmentor on 19/03/2007 12:42:33 Originally by: Bailian Moxtain he didnt ask for switching ships tho, did he? Deimos: 5x Ions II 1 x med nos ------------ 1 x disruptor 1 x web 1 x mwd ------------ 1 x med rep II 1 x rcu 1 x explosive hardener 1 x eanm II 2 x mag stab 5 x drones (valkyrie II or hammerhead II) Think that will fit It's a common mistake to fit RCU + MAR instead of 2 SARs. And 2 deimos are actually a good pirate duo if you set both your fittings and tactics up properly. Nothing can sustain its DPS for long, and if you fit some cap rigs you can actually get some kind of defense up and running aswell. ---
Shannaria Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.19 12:57:00 - [13] Pirating refers to engaging a target that is weaker/vunerable more so than your own ship.. in the olden days pirates didnt engage gallions they engaged traders etc.. so dont expect much from these two ships as they arn't good against anything bigger than t1 bc.. which they have trouble with. pirate ships ftw: tempy- dampers & speed vaga- speed fitting ofcourse deimos- 5 ions gank fitting pilgrim- 3 nos dual rep curse-3 nos 2 launcher megathron- sheer firepower hyperion.. but i dont like that ship ishtar- close combat ogre II rape domi- nos-domi ofcourse:) notice no caldari.. thats because they can't solo ;)
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.03.19 13:00:00 - [14] Drone ships dont work for gate ganking, because their drones get shot and pop. Deimos can sentry tank for a short period of time, but god help you if they shoot back. You'd be better in a Harbinger, Drake, Brutix or Hurricane/Cyclone. Harbinger is my Fav. Izo Azlion. --- Thanks to Stubnitz for the Sig.

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