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Serene Repose 2984	Posted - 2016.09.13 19:31:01 - [1] - Quote The ultimate insult. An issue with the new "event" (standings loss) and the "announcement" they're "investigating" appears in REDDIT by FALCON and not HERE. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining. Love you guys. . . most of you. I'm out of here. If there's one thing I cannot abide it's disloyalty. We PAY MONEY to be in THIS venue...not REDDIT. Stick it management. We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Divine Entervention Brand Newbros Test Alliance Please Ignore 849	Posted - 2016.09.13 19:33:58 - [2] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: The ultimate insult. An issue with the new "event" (standings loss) and the "announcement" they're "investigating" appears in REDDIT by FALCON and not HERE. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining. Love you guys. . . most of you. I'm out of here. If there's one thing I cannot abide it's disloyalty. We PAY MONEY to be in THIS venue...not REDDIT. Stick it management. Yall are a bunch of spazzes. Of course your own developers want to associate with you as little as possible. Become better people and good people might go out of their way to associate with you.
Eli Stan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 614	Posted - 2016.09.13 19:34:14 - [3] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: The ultimate insult. An issue with the new "event" (standings loss) and the "announcement" they're "investigating" appears in REDDIT by FALCON and not HERE. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining. Love you guys. . . most of you. I'm out of here. If there's one thing I cannot abide it's disloyalty. We PAY MONEY to be in THIS venue...not REDDIT. Stick it management. What are you talking about? The "announcement" on reddit was simply a user quoting the *actual* announcement - which was indeed posted here. https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/announcement-purity-of-the-throne-event-sites-amarr-standings-penalty-investigation/
CowQueen MMXII 89	Posted - 2016.09.13 19:35:09 - [4] - Quote You should have posted this on Reddit if you actually wanted it to be read. Moo! Uddersucker, moo!
Dirty Forum Alt Forum Alts Anonymous 769	Posted - 2016.09.13 19:37:29 - [5] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: Yall are a bunch of spazzes. Of course your own developers want to associate with you as little as possible. Become better people and good people might go out of their way to associate with you. And instead we are cursed with the presence of people like you going out of their way to try to associate with us... I see your point... Ew. The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal. Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 15791	Posted - 2016.09.13 19:40:32 - [6] - Quote Relax. Everyone knows and that is the point. They posted in many places as you can see. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14680	Posted - 2016.09.13 19:49:37 - [7] - Quote And a new phrase is born: Reddit Envy . BTW, CCP posted in on their web site 1st, just not the forums.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 12982	Posted - 2016.09.13 19:50:56 - [8] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: I'm out of here. Pretty please, is that a promise? Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14680	Posted - 2016.09.13 19:51:23 - [9] - Quote Eli Stan wrote: Serene Repose wrote: The ultimate insult. An issue with the new "event" (standings loss) and the "announcement" they're "investigating" appears in REDDIT by FALCON and not HERE. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining. Love you guys. . . most of you. I'm out of here. If there's one thing I cannot abide it's disloyalty. We PAY MONEY to be in THIS venue...not REDDIT. Stick it management. What are you talking about? The "announcement" on reddit was simply a user quoting the *actual* announcement - which was indeed posted here. https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/announcement-purity-of-the-throne-event-sites-amarr-standings-penalty-investigation/ Darn, I wanted to drop that bomb 1st, darn you Eli!
Dirty Forum Alt Forum Alts Anonymous 770	Posted - 2016.09.13 19:55:54 - [10] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: And a new phrase is born: Reddit Envy . BTW, CCP posted in on their web site 1st, just not the forums. /r/eddvy? The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal. Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Ginger Naari Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 37	Posted - 2016.09.13 19:56:41 - [11] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: The ultimate insult. An issue with the new "event" (standings loss) and the "announcement" they're "investigating" appears in REDDIT by FALCON and not HERE. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining. Love you guys. . . most of you. I'm out of here. If there's one thing I cannot abide it's disloyalty. We PAY MONEY to be in THIS venue...not REDDIT. Stick it management. Stuff, you know the score.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 12982	Posted - 2016.09.13 20:09:00 - [12] - Quote Ginger Naari wrote: Stuff, you know the score. SP, you wanna give me some more. Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26823	Posted - 2016.09.13 20:18:38 - [13] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: The ultimate insult. An issue with the new "event" (standings loss) and the "announcement" they're "investigating" appears in REDDIT by FALCON and not HERE. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining. Love you guys. . . most of you. I'm out of here. If there's one thing I cannot abide it's disloyalty. We PAY MONEY to be in THIS venue...not REDDIT. Stick it management. Can I have your corpse? Civilised behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Keebler Wizard Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2016.09.13 20:22:17 - [14] - Quote It was actually posted in the launcher, first thing you do when you open eve. But how can we expect you, a paying customer, to read. That'd just be too much. I don't want your stuff, but we can get it to the newbies in november that do
tiberiusric Comply Or Die 256	Posted - 2016.09.13 20:30:04 - [15] - Quote Well he speaks the truth on reddit ccp talk quite openly but on here they dont say anything .... so why
Paranoid Loyd 9566	Posted - 2016.09.13 20:39:26 - [16] - Quote /laps up daily dose of Serene salt. I would say good riddance, but I will probably get a sodium deficiency if you leave. "There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix Fix the Prospect!
Dirty Forum Alt Forum Alts Anonymous 771	Posted - 2016.09.13 20:41:48 - [17] - Quote Keebler Wizard wrote: It was actually posted in the launcher, first thing you do when you open eve. But how can we expect you, a paying customer, to read. That'd just be too much. I don't want your stuff, but we can get it to the newbies in november that do As if anybody here actually "logs in" to EVE. The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal. Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 997	Posted - 2016.09.13 21:28:25 - [18] - Quote Finally. Serene's stupidity is his own undoing. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3452	Posted - 2016.09.13 22:30:08 - [19] - Quote tiberiusric wrote: Well he speaks the truth on reddit ccp talk quite openly but on here they dont say anything .... so why because ccp already has our money, they need to make it look like they support the playerbase so people who dont play but use reddit will see how involved they are :) Loyalist to Angel Cartel Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
Bazooka Ubunghowl Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.09.13 22:37:17 - [20] - Quote im poor Really really poor cant make any isk on the street corner.. Can i pleez have yer stuff :-)
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1001	Posted - 2016.09.13 22:53:45 - [21] - Quote tiberiusric wrote: Well he speaks the truth on reddit ccp talk quite openly but on here they dont say anything .... so why Like most of us, devs are not paid to post on the forums while at work aside from the official comment threads; and outside work they can socialise how they like. That they choose to socialise on eve related things even outside work is a good thing. Not something common in many other industries. The community team are paid for community development and they do that across many sites, but always post official information here and then link it elsewhere. Seems perfectly reasonable. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2707	Posted - 2016.09.14 00:26:45 - [22] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: Serene Repose wrote: The ultimate insult. An issue with the new "event" (standings loss) and the "announcement" they're "investigating" appears in REDDIT by FALCON and not HERE. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining. Love you guys. . . most of you. I'm out of here. If there's one thing I cannot abide it's disloyalty. We PAY MONEY to be in THIS venue...not REDDIT. Stick it management. Yall are a bunch of spazzes. Of course your own developers want to associate with you as little as possible. Become better people and good people might go out of their way to associate with you. The OP has a point, but it's not very well worded and it comes off as entitled whining. About 3 years ago these forums were in a much healthier state than they currently are, and there are a lot of reasons for that. Personally I'm going to lay the blame at the feet of CCP in engaging the ISD team instead of simply hiring forum moderators and a decent community outreach manager. No matter which way we cut it the best volunteer ISD is always going to have a little bit of skin in the game, and it's shown in some of the most inconsistent moderation known to man. These forums have been on a hard decline since the ISD came into play. Threads that shouldn't be locked are locked regularly, entire subforums have basically been shuttered. It's been all around bad, and it's not getting any better.
Gneeznow Ship spinners inc 166	Posted - 2016.09.14 00:53:04 - [23] - Quote The poor eve-o people still don't realise this is a containment board now.
Dirty Forum Alt Forum Alts Anonymous 774	Posted - 2016.09.14 00:56:46 - [24] - Quote Gneeznow wrote: The poor eve-o people still don't realise this is a containment board now. Fortunately your Dissociative Identity Disorder enables you to warn us of the danger - while preserving your mind from the awful knowledge that you are in fact clearly "one of us" - since you are reading/posting here yourself and not on Reddit. The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool. They lay. They rotted. They turned Around occasionally. Bits of flesh dropped off them from Time to time. And sank into the pool's mire. They also smelt a great deal. Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
Serene Repose 2993	Posted - 2016.09.14 02:19:16 - [25] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Serene Repose wrote: I'm out of here. Pretty please, is that a promise? I so love being the object of your affection. You have no idea. Gneeznow wrote: The poor eve-o people still don't realise this is a containment board now. While the Reddit board is the airhead board. SmilingVagrant wrote: These forums have been on a hard decline since the ISD came into play. Threads that shouldn't be locked are locked regularly, entire subforums have basically been shuttered. It's been all around bad, and it's not getting any better. My point exactly. And instead of backing us up here, the powers that be are at door number three. (Sorry about the tirade. Lower back is acting up today.) We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1002	Posted - 2016.09.14 02:36:02 - [26] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: I'm out of here. If there's one thing I cannot abide it's disloyalty... Stick it management. Just an example of another insincere tantrum. Why should CCP do anything different if you can't stick to your word; and just slink back in here still paying them? Edit: Hope your back pain improves. Backpain sux. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1003	Posted - 2016.09.14 02:59:34 - [27] - Quote This should make you happy Serene, you can even get your support tickets looked at if you post on Reddit: https://puu.sh/raznn/376cdc50cd.jpg https://puu.sh/razoc/4120a872d0.jpg All of us that post over there love CCP. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Roenok Baalnorn Sadistically Sinister 356	Posted - 2016.09.14 03:19:44 - [28] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Divine Entervention wrote: Serene Repose wrote: The ultimate insult. An issue with the new "event" (standings loss) and the "announcement" they're "investigating" appears in REDDIT by FALCON and not HERE. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining. Love you guys. . . most of you. I'm out of here. If there's one thing I cannot abide it's disloyalty. We PAY MONEY to be in THIS venue...not REDDIT. Stick it management. Yall are a bunch of spazzes. Of course your own developers want to associate with you as little as possible. Become better people and good people might go out of their way to associate with you. The OP has a point, but it's not very well worded and it comes off as entitled whining. About 3 years ago these forums were in a much healthier state than they currently are, and there are a lot of reasons for that. Personally I'm going to lay the blame at the feet of CCP in engaging the ISD team instead of simply hiring forum moderators and a decent community outreach manager. No matter which way we cut it the best volunteer ISD is always going to have a little bit of skin in the game, and it's shown in some of the most inconsistent moderation known to man. These forums have been on a hard decline since the ISD came into play. Threads that shouldn't be locked are locked regularly, entire subforums have basically been shuttered. It's been all around bad, and it's not getting any better. I remember when CAOD was bustling with activity. Its locked most of the time and no one post in it anymore. The rest of the forums are pretty dead as well. /r/eve has 600 people browsing it right now, the forums probably have 16. 66k subscribers to /r/eve. Unlikely that 600 subscribers read the forums on the regular basis Players prefer reddit. They like to talk smack and they like freedom of speech and you cant do that here. CCP posts more there because their are more players there. CCP is also quite active in a few threads here. I dont care where CCP post as long as i get important info and patch notes via the launcher and we have place we can converse with them on occasion.
Serene Repose 2996	Posted - 2016.09.14 03:26:09 - [29] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Serene Repose wrote: I'm out of here. If there's one thing I cannot abide it's disloyalty... Stick it management. Just an example of another insincere tantrum. Why should CCP do anything different if you can't stick to your word; and just slink back in here still paying them? Edit: Hope your back pain improves. Backpain sux. You don't understand the corporate mentality, apparently. In the properly run oligarchy, the pesky people are held at a safe distance. That's why at the demonstrations for not arresting the ones who trashed the economy, the cops were facing US, not THEM. I don't expect them to change. I don't expect them to listen. And, my tirade may have been tasteless, but I guaran-goddam-tee you it is sincere. Lackeys, line up in the rear for your free sandwiches. We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 534	Posted - 2016.09.14 03:47:39 - [30] - Quote There would be at least dozens of people that would be pretty sad if the official Eve Forums went away. We'll probably find out about it on r/eve @lunettelulu7
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 56482	Posted - 2016.09.14 04:03:30 - [31] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: tiberiusric wrote: Well he speaks the truth on reddit ccp talk quite openly but on here they dont say anything .... so why Like most of us, devs are not paid to post on the forums while at work aside from the official comment threads; and outside work they can socialise how they like. That they choose to socialise on eve related things even outside work is a good thing. Not something common in many other industries. The community team are paid for community development and they do that across many sites, but always post official information here and then link it elsewhere. Seems perfectly reasonable. Gonna have to call 100% BS on this. This is the 'Official Eve Online Forums'. Community relations with the playerbase here should be first and foremost, not a half-assed afterthought effort. Anything that has to do with Eve Online should be posted here first, doesn't matter if it's a planned change to the game or the start of an idea. Years ago CCP did that here quite often but due to their own toxic bravado being applauded and then encouraged here in the forums, eventually someone at CCP got their feelings hurt and then, 'wam bam no thank you mamm', forum rules were changed and ISD CCL created to rule with an Iron Fist. Why Reddit? Maybe because it was widely used by Goons & Co members who over the years have now become CCP employees. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1003	Posted - 2016.09.14 04:12:41 - [32] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Shae Tadaruwa wrote: tiberiusric wrote: Well he speaks the truth on reddit ccp talk quite openly but on here they dont say anything .... so why Like most of us, devs are not paid to post on the forums while at work aside from the official comment threads; and outside work they can socialise how they like. That they choose to socialise on eve related things even outside work is a good thing. Not something common in many other industries. The community team are paid for community development and they do that across many sites, but always post official information here and then link it elsewhere. Seems perfectly reasonable. Gonna have to call 100% BS on this. This is the 'Official Eve Online Forums'. Community relations with the playerbase here should be first and foremost, not a half-assed afterthought effort. Anything that has to do with Eve Online should be posted here first, doesn't matter if it's a planned change to the game or the start of an idea. It was posted here first and then linked over at /r/eve Serene just got it wrong. As to what devs can do in their own free time, **** you I'm sure. You have no right to demand how they spend their time either when they are at work, or on their own time. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 56482	Posted - 2016.09.14 04:12:44 - [33] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Divine Entervention wrote: Serene Repose wrote: The ultimate insult. An issue with the new "event" (standings loss) and the "announcement" they're "investigating" appears in REDDIT by FALCON and not HERE. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining. Love you guys. . . most of you. I'm out of here. If there's one thing I cannot abide it's disloyalty. We PAY MONEY to be in THIS venue...not REDDIT. Stick it management. Yall are a bunch of spazzes. Of course your own developers want to associate with you as little as possible. Become better people and good people might go out of their way to associate with you. The OP has a point, but it's not very well worded and it comes off as entitled whining. About 3 years ago these forums were in a much healthier state than they currently are, and there are a lot of reasons for that. Personally I'm going to lay the blame at the feet of CCP in engaging the ISD team instead of simply hiring forum moderators and a decent community outreach manager. No matter which way we cut it the best volunteer ISD is always going to have a little bit of skin in the game, and it's shown in some of the most inconsistent moderation known to man. These forums have been on a hard decline since the ISD came into play. Threads that shouldn't be locked are locked regularly, entire subforums have basically been shuttered. It's been all around bad, and it's not getting any better. Sadly I agree 100%. Over the past few years CCP has basically alienated themselves from the playerbase which only helps promote more declining subscription / log in numbers. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2711	Posted - 2016.09.14 04:22:57 - [34] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Why Reddit? Maybe because it was widely used by Goons & Co members who over the years have now become CCP employees. Actually we gravitated to Kugu which CCP wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. The shift to reddit occurred when kugu died. As far as Goon CCP employees your information is a bit out of date. We've had two "Goon" devs, who are both gone now (That would be Soundwave and Sreegs) and one goon GM that I know of (Who got fired because he's an idiot). Claiming any of those guys showed favoritism to goons would be silly. Especially since Sreeg's anti bot/rmt banhammer caught a fair number of shall I say "Super enthusiastic ratters." Poor elusif, has to make his house payments by actually working now looooooooool. Right now reddit is semi hostile territory to us goons, mainly because we didn't handle the platform well. Despite "The goons must be in school lol" memes and the like, most something awful forums posters are pushing their mid 30's to 40's now and we're far more used to a forums community where the whole thing is in the most literal sense... a community. The idea that there could be fun history subreddit existing on the same website as some woman hating redpill garbage, and the redpillers aren't summarily banned is kind of alien to us. Somethingawful is generally one of the most heavily moderated forums on the internet, and we're used to a certain authoritarian bent on our community. I.E. if I just started posting say how all women are evil because they won't sleep with me I'd expect a one way ticket to ban town. Meanwhile there's an entire subreddit devoted to just that kind of nonsense. What we have problems recognizing as old web 1.0 nerds is that reddit is really a collection of communities rather than one super mega large community. So we tend to treat people from reddit like crap. It's a pardigm problem that we need to get over.
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 56482	Posted - 2016.09.14 04:23:03 - [35] - Quote Roenok Baalnorn wrote: I remember when CAOD was bustling with activity. Its locked most of the time and no one post in it anymore. The rest of the forums are pretty dead as well. /r/eve has 600 people browsing it right now, the forums probably have 16. 66k subscribers to /r/eve. Unlikely that 600 subscribers read the forums on the regular basis Players prefer reddit. They like to talk smack and they like freedom of speech and you cant do that here. CCP posts more there because their are more players there. CCP is also quite active in a few threads here. I dont care where CCP post as long as i get important info and patch notes via the launcher and we have place we can converse with them on occasion. And that's the major problem. You and others just follow and go along instead of saying hey, let's do this in the 'Official Eve Online Forums'. Hell, with CCP's track record of deleting and removing stuff, I'll bet these forums will soon be on the same list as the Jukebox, Evelopedia, In-game Browser, ect. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 56482	Posted - 2016.09.14 04:36:48 - [36] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: Why Reddit? Maybe because it was widely used by Goons & Co members who over the years have now become CCP employees. Actually we gravitated to Kugu which CCP wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. The shift to reddit occurred when kugu died. As far as Goon CCP employees your information is a bit out of date. We've had two "Goon" devs, who are both gone now (That would be Soundwave and Sreegs) and one goon GM that I know of (Who got fired because he's an idiot). Claiming any of those guys showed favoritism to goons would be silly. Especially since Sreeg's anti bot/rmt banhammer caught a fair number of shall I say "Super enthusiastic ratters." Poor elusif, has to make his house payments by actually working now looooooooool. Right now reddit is semi hostile territory to us goons, mainly because we didn't handle the platform well. Despite "The goons must be in school lol" memes and the like, most something awful forums posters are pushing their mid 30's to 40's now and we're far more used to a forums community where the whole thing is in the most literal sense... a community. The idea that there could be fun history subreddit existing on the same website as some woman hating redpill garbage, and the redpillers aren't summarily banned is kind of alien to us. Somethingawful is generally one of the most heavily moderated forums on the internet, and we're used to a certain authoritarian bent on our community. I.E. if I just started posting say how all women are evil because they won't sleep with me I'd expect a one way ticket to ban town. Meanwhile there's an entire subreddit devoted to just that kind of nonsense. What we have problems recognizing as old web 1.0 nerds is that reddit is really a collection of communities rather than one super mega large community. So we tend to treat people from reddit like crap. It's a pardigm problem that we need to get over. I never made any accusation of CCP showing favoritism and yeah, I was referring to Soundwave & Co. Sure, Soundwave may be gone but the Co mentality is still there. Doesn't surprise me to know you guys use another forum now. Anyway, in my opinion any employee of CCP who want's to post about Eve on a different forum should do so using their own name, not a CCP name. When they use their CCP name it looks 'Official' and when doing so they are literally a representative of the company. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1003	Posted - 2016.09.14 04:46:37 - [37] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Anyway, in my opinion any employee of CCP who want's to post about Eve on a different forum should do so using their own name, not a CCP name. When they use their CCP name it looks 'Official' and when doing so they are literally a representative of the company. Put yourself in Hilmar's (or other executive responsible for community engagement) shoes. Would you rather the community knew your employees were engaging with them on Eve issues, or just looked like everyone else, even when engaging with the community outside work? The attitude that they should just post on their own name is an entitled customer view. Many of the devs do post on other names outside the eve sub reddit. In the Python sub reddit for example there are a couple of current and former devs that post on other accounts. Quote: The idea that there could be fun history subreddit existing on the same website as some woman hating redpill garbage, and the redpillers aren't summarily banned is kind of alien to us. Yeah, Reddit is more a platform for communities, not a community in and of itself. I shake my head in disbelief sometimes at the subreddits that I find, but I'm no more a part of those communities than they are of the Eve community. As someone who comes from a society that values the rights of individuals and free speech, I can freely disagree with some of the subreddits, but if they aren't doing anything illegal then good luck to them. I can't imagine ever being friends with people in some of the communities there and totally disagree with their ideas, but that's not reddit's fault. They provide a largely non-judgemental approach to providing a platform and it gets used as such. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 56482	Posted - 2016.09.14 07:22:30 - [38] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: DeMichael Crimson wrote: Anyway, in my opinion any employee of CCP who want's to post about Eve on a different forum should do so using their own name, not a CCP name. When they use their CCP name it looks 'Official' and when doing so they are literally a representative of the company. Put yourself in Hilmar's (or other executive responsible for community engagement) shoes. Would you rather the community knew your employees were engaging with them on Eve issues, or just looked like everyone else, even when engaging with the community outside work? The attitude that they should just post on their own name is an entitled customer view. Many of the devs do post on other names outside the eve sub reddit. In the Python sub reddit for example there are a couple of current and former devs that post on other accounts. Having them post on other public forums using their own names is not an entitled customer viewpoint, it's good business practice. Since it's not an 'Official' company forum, in the eyes of the general public whatever they post when using their CCP names basically looks like 'Official' info. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Milla Goodpussy Federal Navy Academy 440	Posted - 2016.09.14 08:19:54 - [39] - Quote i think its terrible customer interaction and basically is a no no.. you break the integrity of the product by only communicating on back alley channels such as reddit, and it shows more likely a leak will come out here and there.. the blame is fully on ccp for allowing it. sorry if you want to speak to your playerbase you need to do it here and no where else. this is really on ccp seagull cause she hasn't stepped in and stopped it at all.. so to the OP.. i agree with you and shame on you ccp for allowing ever more shade against its paying playerbase.. but fear not.. cause the truth will occur, it will go out and blogs will be written that will continue to sway paying customers away from your product.. they never learn till its too late.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 15830	Posted - 2016.09.14 08:37:55 - [40] - Quote Now I think CCP would be better leaving that as it was and tell us "Deal with it". Embracing the unexpected feature that would completely shift all expectations for future. They could respond with Lore explanation for Purists holding power over Standing system for Amarr empire, developed a virus that is overriding every attempt to get rid of it and making look every Purist vessel as usual Amarr vessel. A masquerade. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Arcelian Metentis 190	Posted - 2016.09.14 15:37:47 - [41] - Quote I was gone for a few years, and now these forums, are indeed a ghost town. It's the same 20 or so people in every thread. So, why would CCP post here? So the whole two dozen folks that read these forums are in the know?
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2815	Posted - 2016.09.14 17:19:49 - [42] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: I'm out of here. I was never a fan of Reddit until now. I just made an account. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
oiukhp Muvila School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 82	Posted - 2016.09.14 18:25:37 - [43] - Quote Many can't stand and will never use REDDIT, even if that is mainly where CCP employees post. CCP is doing its self a dis-service by posting official information there.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2712	Posted - 2016.09.14 22:32:41 - [44] - Quote oiukhp Muvila wrote: Many can't stand and will never use REDDIT, even if that is mainly where CCP employees post. CCP is doing its self a dis-service by posting official information there. I'm not a huge fan of the format of reddit but again I'm old as hell. All these millennials and there new fangled celly phones, when I was a teen you had to carry quarters in your pocket to make phone calls, unless you were rich, then you got the zack morris special brick phone. EDIT: LOL if you don't remember getting a 911 text on your pager and rushing to find a pay phone.
Taishoku Mayaki State War Academy Caldari State 2160	Posted - 2016.09.15 10:36:09 - [45] - Quote Bazooka Ubunghowl wrote: im poor Really really poor cant make any isk on the street corner.. Can i pleez have yer stuff :-) I'd comment in relation to the original topic but that has already been served up and salted. But dear god Bazooka Unbunghowl you're a hideous thing, I want to add you to my circus!
Dor Cadmon New Artisian and Mercenary Association 8	Posted - 2016.09.15 10:55:54 - [46] - Quote Arcelian wrote: I was gone for a few years, and now these forums, are indeed a ghost town. It's the same 20 or so people in every thread. So, why would CCP post here? So the whole two dozen folks that read these forums are in the know? forums are a ghost town because any thread that has dissent in it gets insta locked faster than a svipul in Jita. you might as well give up on the forums alltogether because its no longer an effective medium to voice concerns. Seems the devs might know this too.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1215	Posted - 2016.09.15 18:07:35 - [47] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Serene Repose wrote: The ultimate insult. An issue with the new "event" (standings loss) and the "announcement" they're "investigating" appears in REDDIT by FALCON and not HERE. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining. Love you guys. . . most of you. I'm out of here. If there's one thing I cannot abide it's disloyalty. We PAY MONEY to be in THIS venue...not REDDIT. Stick it management. Can I have your corpse? Are you sure? Remove insurance.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14695	Posted - 2016.09.15 18:35:00 - [48] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: You don't understand the corporate mentality, apparently. In the properly run oligarchy, the pesky people are held at a safe distance. That's why at the demonstrations for not arresting the ones who trashed the economy, the cops were facing US, not THEM. I don't expect them to change. I don't expect them to listen. And, my tirade may have been tasteless, but I guaran-goddam-tee you it is sincere. Lackeys, line up in the rear for your free sandwiches. On behalf of LE everywhere, We were facing you types because it was y'all throwing stuff and threatening people. When the suits start doing that too I'm sure we'll face both of you types... And Shae is spot on, they don't have to cater to you who complain here, they have you and your money already, and your own actions say that you aren't going anywhere, so you are safe to ignore. Kind of like those real life protestors you are talking about, who protest corporations while continuing to buy those corporations products, signaling to those corporations that you don't really mean what you are saying...
Pandora Carrollon Dawn of a New Horizon The Republic. 662	Posted - 2016.09.15 19:38:42 - [49] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: real life protestors One of the more hilariously true images I've ever seen captioned up. I've made no bones about my dislike of Reddit. I think the social media aspect of it's up/down vote system is more of a curse than a blessing in areas where the pond scum of humanity tend to hang out. However, in some areas of Reddit, it is actually more useful than not. None of that addresses why these forums are here and what their purpose it. It also doesn't address why moderation is needed in official corporate forums and why companies should post in their official forums. I am both a Reddit reader and a Forum reader/poster. I will always post here over Reddit because here my opinion is held equal by the forum to everyone else's. On Reddit, it's subject to the whims of the mob that happens to be logged in at the moment. I don't care what you read, but those of you trying to eliminate the forums just because you like Reddit better are a pretty sad bunch because you're essentially saying that you lack the capacity to read more than one information source. I find that very odd in an EVE player who has to get Intel from at least a dozens sources or risk being turned into space particles just going from point A to point B. 8 Golden Rules of EVE GÇó EVE is entirely PvP
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14695	Posted - 2016.09.15 19:46:20 - [50] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: real life protestors One of the more hilariously true images I've ever seen captioned up. I've made no bones about my dislike of Reddit. I think the social media aspect of it's up/down vote system is more of a curse than a blessing in areas where the pond scum of humanity tend to hang out. However, in some areas of Reddit, it is actually more useful than not. None of that addresses why these forums are here and what their purpose it. It also doesn't address why moderation is needed in official corporate forums and why companies should post in their official forums. I am both a Reddit reader and a Forum reader/poster. I will always post here over Reddit because here my opinion is held equal by the forum to everyone else's. On Reddit, it's subject to the whims of the mob that happens to be logged in at the moment. I don't care what you read, but those of you trying to eliminate the forums just because you like Reddit better are a pretty sad bunch because you're essentially saying that you lack the capacity to read more than one information source. I find that very odd in an EVE player who has to get Intel from at least a dozens sources or risk being turned into space particles just going from point A to point B. Wait, who is trying to get rid of these forums?
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26838	Posted - 2016.09.15 19:50:51 - [51] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Serene Repose wrote: The ultimate insult. An issue with the new "event" (standings loss) and the "announcement" they're "investigating" appears in REDDIT by FALCON and not HERE. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining. Love you guys. . . most of you. I'm out of here. If there's one thing I cannot abide it's disloyalty. We PAY MONEY to be in THIS venue...not REDDIT. Stick it management. Can I have your corpse? Are you sure? I sell corpses via contracts, stock is stock at the end of the day Civilised behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack
Ian Morbius Potomac Greeting Card Company 311	Posted - 2016.09.16 00:01:37 - [52] - Quote Where's the Reddit thread on CCP Games opening a new studio in London?
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1194	Posted - 2016.09.16 18:42:15 - [53] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: I'm out of here. We couldn't get that lucky. Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Ethan Zoromir Delta Laroth Industries Voxis Accord 6	Posted - 2016.09.16 22:33:23 - [54] - Quote I believe it was on the launcher before it was on Reddit. Voxis Accord \| Mixed sov null alliance with a strong focus on building a great community \| Proud members of Querious Fight Club
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 45085	Posted - 2016.09.16 23:12:58 - [55] - Quote Dor Cadmon wrote: Arcelian wrote: I was gone for a few years, and now these forums, are indeed a ghost town. It's the same 20 or so people in every thread. So, why would CCP post here? So the whole two dozen folks that read these forums are in the know? forums are a ghost town because any thread that has dissent in it gets insta locked faster than a svipul in Jita. you might as well give up on the forums alltogether because its no longer an effective medium to voice concerns. Seems the devs might know this too. It's not really like that now, but it's going to take a while before that reputation disappears, assuming the current approach to moderation continues. There's much more willingness to let discussion happen than there was a couple of years ago. I have tonnes of respect for Ezwal, though I really appreciate the change in moderation by the ISDs since Bastorlode took the reins. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Falin Whalen GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 901	Posted - 2016.09.16 23:24:05 - [56] - Quote OP c...can...can I have your stuff? "it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka-á
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 4665	Posted - 2016.09.17 00:26:46 - [57] - Quote CCP built it, they should come. They even went to the all of the trouble of creating an ISD corps to keep a handle on things. If nothing else, out of respect for ISD people (paid? unpaid? free subscriptions?), announcements ought to be on CCP's own site first, I think. We all know how trendy internet spots go-- they become the next FB, infected with too much trendiness and no hipsters want to be associated with them anymore. Or they become successful enough that they start acting corporate-like and stuffing ads other stuff down people's throats. Maybe buy stock in Reddit before it hits either phase, and retire or go belly up. Keep hanging tight CCP, you've weathered through years of drama and absolute crap. Don't go to them, they can come to you. Start the bubble machine! -Lawrence Welk
Elite Harvester Elite Harvesters 82	Posted - 2016.09.17 02:24:36 - [58] - Quote Reddit. Read it. Redd it. Oh my God. I just realized that. Hahaha!!! Visit www.MinerBumping.com to find out how *you can help* save Highsec.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 45086	Posted - 2016.09.17 03:03:35 - [59] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: announcements ought to be on CCP's own site first, I think. When aren't they? In terms of official information from CCP, I can't think of a single occasion where it hasn't been posted on CCP's platform first and then just linked elsewhere. There may be some examples, but all of the recent ones (including the situation that triggered this thread), the information was published here first. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
oiukhp Muvila School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 88	Posted - 2016.09.17 08:36:18 - [60] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Khergit Deserters wrote: announcements ought to be on CCP's own site first, I think. When aren't they? In terms of official information from CCP, I can't think of a single occasion where it hasn't been posted on CCP's platform first and then just linked elsewhere. There may be some examples, but all of the recent ones (including the situation that triggered this thread), the information was published here first. There are conversations taking place exclusively on a third party site that should be taking place on official Eve Online forums as they had in the past. This has lead to a portion of the player base being favored over those who choose not to use that site.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 45090	Posted - 2016.09.17 09:20:32 - [61] - Quote oiukhp Muvila wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Khergit Deserters wrote: announcements ought to be on CCP's own site first, I think. When aren't they? In terms of official information from CCP, I can't think of a single occasion where it hasn't been posted on CCP's platform first and then just linked elsewhere. There may be some examples, but all of the recent ones (including the situation that triggered this thread), the information was published here first. There are conversations taking place exclusively on a third party site that should be taking place on official Eve Online forums as they had in the past. This has lead to a portion of the player base being favored over those who choose not to use that site. Where was my post about conversations? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Pandora Carrollon Dawn of a New Horizon The Republic. 665	Posted - 2016.09.20 17:35:29 - [62] - Quote Dor Cadmon wrote: Arcelian wrote: I was gone for a few years, and now these forums, are indeed a ghost town. It's the same 20 or so people in every thread. So, why would CCP post here? So the whole two dozen folks that read these forums are in the know? forums are a ghost town because any thread that has dissent in it gets insta locked faster than a svipul in Jita. you might as well give up on the forums alltogether because its no longer an effective medium to voice concerns. Seems the devs might know this too. Jenn- Not sure how you interpret comments like this but suggestively sending people away from the forums as a source of information is a form of 'eliminating' them in my book. This isn't the first thread where many pro-Redditors have suggested (sometimes casually, sometimes overtly) CCP shut down the forums. 8 Golden Rules of EVE GÇó EVE is entirely PvP
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14724	Posted - 2016.09.20 17:43:26 - [63] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: Dor Cadmon wrote: Arcelian wrote: I was gone for a few years, and now these forums, are indeed a ghost town. It's the same 20 or so people in every thread. So, why would CCP post here? So the whole two dozen folks that read these forums are in the know? forums are a ghost town because any thread that has dissent in it gets insta locked faster than a svipul in Jita. you might as well give up on the forums alltogether because its no longer an effective medium to voice concerns. Seems the devs might know this too. Jenn- Not sure how you interpret comments like this but suggestively sending people away from the forums as a source of information is a form of 'eliminating' them in my book. he's telling the other poster that he thinks moderation is to severe. I still don't see anyone saying "eliminate the forums". You're own bias is coloring your perception of what is being said. Quote: This isn't the first thread where many pro-Redditors have suggested (sometimes casually, sometimes overtly) CCP shut down the forums. Show me where some explicitly said shut down these forums. I'm here every day and have been since 2009, I have yet to see that. Saying that Reddit is a better place and thus it's understandable why the developers would prefer there to here (IMO it is, but then again I actually like Democracy ) is not the same thing as saying CCP should pull the plug on their own forums.
Piugattuk Lima beans Corp 477	Posted - 2016.09.20 17:48:56 - [64] - Quote A beer goes along way.
Serene Repose 3025	Posted - 2016.09.22 07:33:29 - [65] - Quote Yeah, Reddit is first name in quality. It reminds me of grandpa's homemade outhouse with the moon carved in the door. Don't turn your nose up to domestic tech, buds. Just take the Sears catalogue in with you and you're in hog heaven. We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1049	Posted - 2016.09.22 08:31:10 - [66] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: Yeah, Reddit is first name in quality. It reminds me of grandpa's homemade outhouse with the moon carved in the door. Don't turn your nose up to domestic tech, buds. Just take the Sears catalogue in with you and you're in hog heaven. For this born in the 19th century that may well be true. Most of us are from the 20th and 21st centuries though. We can handle change and multitasking. Below for example, is the type of thread that makes s regular appearance on r/eve, but very, very rarely here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/53vzsu/this_is_the_most_helpful_community_ive_ever_found/?st=ITE2XS5C&sh=d9f2bfd7 Anyone writing a similar thing here would first be hit with the whinging stick so their post could be as negative as possible in order to fit in. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Serene Repose 3026	Posted - 2016.09.22 10:03:56 - [67] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Serene Repose wrote: Yeah, Reddit is first name in quality. It reminds me of grandpa's homemade outhouse with the moon carved in the door. Don't turn your nose up to domestic tech, buds. Just take the Sears catalogue in with you and you're in hog heaven. For those born in the 19th century that may well be true. The rest of us can handle change and multitasking. Below for example, is the type of thread that makes a regular appearance on r/eve, but very, very rarely here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/53vzsu/this_is_the_most_helpful_community_ive_ever_found/?st=ITE2XS5C&sh=d9f2bfd7 Anyone writing a similar thing here would first be hit with the whinging stick so their post could be as negative as possible in order to fit in. uh...what are you on about....rhetorical question, really We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Pandora Carrollon Dawn of a New Horizon The Republic. 666	Posted - 2016.09.22 14:52:53 - [68] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Show me where some explicitly said shut down these forums. I'm here every day and have been since 2009, I have yet to see that. Saying that Reddit is a better place and thus it's understandable why the developers would prefer there to here (IMO it is, but then again I actually like Democracy ) is not the same thing as saying CCP should pull the plug on their own forums. You're taking me overly literally when my comments were directed toward the animosity that is shown towards these forums and those that do their best to run them. I have never hidden my 'bias' and have repeatedly stated my preference for posting here but reading Reddit as well. Here the comments are moderated and ameliorated, which is actually showing these forums somewhat work, forcing many people to think before they post. Your comments to me of being 'wrong' about getting rid of the useless official forums doesn't apply to Reddit where almost every thread that even mentions these forums seems to bring out the haters that call for the ending of them/the ISD/etc, in some fashion or another. But yes, even this thread has a post that demonstrates the 'uselessness' of these forums in the opinion of someone so they are "going to Reddit" which was my point. I think you can find it on your own. I actually don't care if people post here or on Reddit. Whatever blows your skirt. What I do think is important is that CCP makes certain that all important official information is posted here. It's okay if a Dev has an opnion and posts it to Reddit, or even if they 'scoop' the official forums and post some new info there. As long as it makes it here, I'm fine with that. That's just people being people and it's why I read Reddit as well. What I'm not fine with is people completely failing to understand why these forums exist and then trashing them here and on Reddit out of ignorance. I hope that clears it up. 8 Golden Rules of EVE GÇó EVE is entirely PvP
Serene Repose 3042	Posted - 2016.09.23 04:55:00 - [69] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Show me where some explicitly said shut down these forums. I'm here every day and have been since 2009, I have yet to see that. Saying that Reddit is a better place and thus it's understandable why the developers would prefer there to here (IMO it is, but then again I actually like Democracy ) is not the same thing as saying CCP should pull the plug on their own forums. You're taking me overly literally when my comments were directed toward the animosity that is shown towards these forums and those that do their best to run them. I have never hidden my 'bias' and have repeatedly stated my preference for posting here but reading Reddit as well. Here the comments are moderated and ameliorated, which is actually showing these forums somewhat work, forcing many people to think before they post. Your comments to me of being 'wrong' about getting rid of the useless official forums doesn't apply to Reddit where almost every thread that even mentions these forums seems to bring out the haters that call for the ending of them/the ISD/etc, in some fashion or another. But yes, even this thread has a post that demonstrates the 'uselessness' of these forums in the opinion of someone so they are "going to Reddit" which was my point. I think you can find it on your own. I actually don't care if people post here or on Reddit. Whatever blows your skirt. What I do think is important is that CCP makes certain that all important official information is posted here. It's okay if a Dev has an opnion and posts it to Reddit, or even if they 'scoop' the official forums and post some new info there. As long as it makes it here, I'm fine with that. That's just people being people and it's why I read Reddit as well. What I'm not fine with is people completely failing to understand why these forums exist and then trashing them here and on Reddit out of ignorance. I hope that clears it up. As clear as the summer sun as you are, that of course, won't make much difference to some who just aren't interested in any more than slam dunking someone in text on the internet. I know what you mean, and I'm sure this critic that's latched onto you like a leech in a bog does, too. That other site gained popularity after certain rules were put into place here, and certain Individuals Swinging Digital-axes began enforcement. This is what makes CCP employees using that other site so egregious. Here we are slogging along making do with what we have (some enduring "suspensions" like school children) trying to make the best of the circumstances management has dealt us. Then, there go members of the SAME management, running to the alternative site there for the expressed purpose to avoid the rules we here are being forced to deal with. Like I said originally, I can't abide disloyalty. To me, it's the ultimate, and unforgivable sin. I do hope those CCP employees are enjoying their spotlight over their, and are getting the likes they need to service their egos. (Thanks guys. You're a lot of help.) The dunces defending REDDIT in this thread once again have entirely missed the point. Probably 'cause they keep mistaking it for the one on the top of their head. Anyway, always good to read your input, Pandora. "...I do post about things I don't know about more often than I probably should (...I post...as I fly...recklessly). -Dirty Forum Alt-
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18075	Posted - 2016.09.23 07:20:59 - [70] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: The ultimate insult. An issue with the new "event" (standings loss) and the "announcement" they're "investigating" appears in REDDIT by FALCON and not HERE. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining. Love you guys. . . most of you. I'm out of here. If there's one thing I cannot abide it's disloyalty. We PAY MONEY to be in THIS venue...not REDDIT. Stick it management. Gosh I wonder why Falcon would prefer that venue to this. It is a mystery. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1053	Posted - 2016.09.23 08:01:14 - [71] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Serene Repose wrote: The ultimate insult. An issue with the new "event" (standings loss) and the "announcement" they're "investigating" appears in REDDIT by FALCON and not HERE. Don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining. Love you guys. . . most of you. I'm out of here. If there's one thing I cannot abide it's disloyalty. We PAY MONEY to be in THIS venue...not REDDIT. Stick it management. Gosh I wonder why Falcon would prefer that venue to this. It is a mystery. Yeah, when members of the community openly lie and the info was posted here first. It's ok being dirtbags to each other, but lying about members of CCP is just Serene level shitbag stuff. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
KuroVolt The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 2278	Posted - 2016.09.23 17:26:29 - [72] - Quote This thread was amazing. Thank you to all who participated. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.

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