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Violetta Shouna Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.09.13 23:04:45 - [1] - Quote Hello. Today I was banned from the citadel "public refinery". There were 1 billion of ore that I mined, and I cannot even touch them now. I tried some alternative ways to get reach but it looks like the citadel is completely private now, so that nobody can dock there. Of course it can be mistake of owner, and it's my fault trusting "public" citadel. The owner may response for my message later. However, If the owner REALLY intend to kidnap my assets, (he already ignored my invitation 3 times) I'm willing to challenge destroying the citadel. Assuming I can manage 12 accounts, Can I definitely destroy it? Or does It depend on what defender do? Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks.
Mephiztopheleze Laphroaig Inc. 959	Posted - 2016.09.14 01:31:26 - [2] - Quote either get a friend or roll a clean alt & train Gal Industrial I see if they can enter citadel, if yes: dock, contract ore to them, they undock & haul to nearest station. if no, well bugger. see if you contract it to Red Frog or PushX or something? taking down that Astrahus is likely to cost way more than ISK1b. Either smuggle it out or write off the loss. note: if/when that citadel finally does go pop, your ore will be delivered via the asset safety system. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
Violetta Shouna Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.09.14 01:40:40 - [3] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: either get a friend or roll a clean alt & train Gal Industrial I see if they can enter citadel, if yes: dock, contract ore to them, they undock & haul to nearest station. if no, well bugger. see if you contract it to Red Frog or PushX or something? taking down that Astrahus is likely to cost way more than ISK1b. Either smuggle it out or write off the loss. note: if/when that citadel finally does go pop, your ore will be delivered via the asset safety system. Unfortunately nobody can dock there currently.... My new alt and local player cannot dock there and even cannot see the citadel in overview. I calculated it again, there are 1.8 bil isk of ore in the citadel. If citadel can be destroyed with 2~3bil isk, I'm willing to invest that money, for revenge and fun.
Hendrix Foster The Scope Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2016.09.14 02:38:44 - [4] - Quote This situation is my main reservation about using a public citadel to deposit anything......the fact that the owner can just turn round and deny docking to anyone or everyone at a moments notice without any reason. I guess that this is their (citadels) Achilles' Heel to becoming big trade hubs. I'm sure not all citadel owners are so whimsical towards their plans for their citadels and do want to become serious market trading posts, but it is a concern that bubbles away in the background. I guess the bottom line here is don't put anything in a citadel (you don't own) that you can't just walk away from......not unlike the one about not flying ships you can't afford to replace straight away. I'm sure I am not the only person to have had this notion cross his mind.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 18036	Posted - 2016.09.14 02:48:03 - [5] - Quote hi there, im exactly the sort of horrible **** you want to talk to about this. an undefended astrahouse (im assuming thats what this is, correct me if im wrong now) will burn.<-------emphasis on the period. if its entirely undefended you can pop one solo, itl take a while granted but its possible if its manned then you need logi on hand , 2-3 guardians should do it + however much dps you need to burn it in reasonable timeframe. if its manned and defended then the owner will need slapping about beforehand and that might inflate the cost somewhat be aware though it takes over a week to kill one , when you kill the shields it reinforces(becomes invulnerable) for 24h , then again for 5 days after armour so all told you are looking at at least 6 days. to attack one you need to slap it during its vulnerable periods which are dictated by the owner so you do not get to choose when to attack it. what would be helpful to know is 1) who owns it, this way i can tell you if they will defend it or not 2) what time (eve time now) it's timer is set for (blue ring around it with a count down) 3) where it is. Click me =]\|[=
Crimson Midnight Soulless Armada 1	Posted - 2016.09.14 03:24:17 - [6] - Quote I may be interested in helping out (and I've spoken to Violetta). If anyone else has no corp and would like to help out, drop me an evemail. Ralph, sent you a message as well.
Wander Prian Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 255	Posted - 2016.09.14 05:44:58 - [7] - Quote You are aware that you can manually trigger the asset safety and have your stuff moved to a station or citadel? Go to personal assets(ALT-T) and right click the name of the citadel you have the stuck assets at. Wormholer for life.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 18038	Posted - 2016.09.14 07:06:30 - [8] - Quote Wander Prian wrote: You are aware that you can manually trigger the asset safety and have your stuff moved to a station or citadel? Go to personal assets(ALT-T) and right click the name of the citadel you have the stuck assets at. I was not aware of this. Click me =]\|[=
Crimson Midnight Soulless Armada 1	Posted - 2016.09.14 07:15:15 - [9] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Wander Prian wrote: You are aware that you can manually trigger the asset safety and have your stuff moved to a station or citadel? Go to personal assets(ALT-T) and right click the name of the citadel you have the stuck assets at. I was not aware of this. Nor was I! Good to know.
Mephiztopheleze Laphroaig Inc. 960	Posted - 2016.09.14 07:31:07 - [10] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Wander Prian wrote: You are aware that you can manually trigger the asset safety and have your stuff moved to a station or citadel? Go to personal assets(ALT-T) and right click the name of the citadel you have the stuck assets at. I was not aware of this. me three. Today We Learned...... Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
Violetta Shouna Viziam Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.09.14 08:48:10 - [11] - Quote Wander Prian wrote: You are aware that you can manually trigger the asset safety and have your stuff moved to a station or citadel? Go to personal assets(ALT-T) and right click the name of the citadel you have the stuck assets at. Thank you for teaching that to me (or us). I think I had better activate it today or tommorow, for it will take longer IF I wait destruction of citadel. Isn't it? For attacking citadel, They are no more kidnapper, although they delayed my assets 3 weeks. Maybe they aren't so bad to lose their citadel. However, If some of you, especially Crimson Midnight, want to try the attack, I'm willing to join there :) If my attitude is inappropriate, please let me know. Thanks!
Ginger Naari Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 38	Posted - 2016.09.14 08:54:55 - [12] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Wander Prian wrote: You are aware that you can manually trigger the asset safety and have your stuff moved to a station or citadel? Go to personal assets(ALT-T) and right click the name of the citadel you have the stuck assets at. I was not aware of this. Aww no Ralph. Your wonderful White Knight charge was just haltered in it's tracks, damn fine effort though.
Cherri Minoa IronPig Sev3rance 193	Posted - 2016.09.14 09:51:20 - [13] - Quote CCP wanted to encourage citadel use, and that's why they made it so easy to recover your assets, regardless of whether the citadel is destroyed or the owner blocks you out. The worst you are going to suffer is some minor inconvenience (and occasionally cost.) If you want to destroy a citadel, the ability to do it actually has very little to do with the citadel. An astrahus can't really defend itself, and a few ships with some logi can take it down easily. It all comes down to who can put most muscle on grid for the three stages of destruction. In hi-sec you will need a war dec, and if the defender is feeling mean he will allow you to take down the shields and armour, then 6 days later - after you have paid for a second week of war - simply put up a bigger fleet and defend the final timer. Astrahus fully repaired, you are back to square one. TL;DR don't attack a citadel unless you can beat the defenders fleets (yes, that's a gentle poke at Wrecking Machine there.) "If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1041	Posted - 2016.09.14 13:07:04 - [14] - Quote Wander Prian wrote: You are aware that you can manually trigger the asset safety and have your stuff moved to a station or citadel? Go to personal assets(ALT-T) and right click the name of the citadel you have the stuck assets at. Keeping NQ&A relevant to veterans. Good Show. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Cara Forelli Better Off Red 2066	Posted - 2016.09.14 13:17:18 - [15] - Quote Violetta Shouna wrote: If my attitude is inappropriate, please let me know. Thanks! Your attitude is just right. Want to talk? Join my channel in game: *House Forelli* Titan's Lament
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 18047	Posted - 2016.09.14 14:32:02 - [16] - Quote Cara Forelli wrote: Violetta Shouna wrote: If my attitude is inappropriate, please let me know. Thanks! Your attitude is just right. Confirming this, brilliant attitude. Instead of pissing and moaning about assets being tied up you created a narrative for yourself " right so I'll topple this tower and take my stuff back then". Fantastic stuff. The mark of an eve player: when presented with a problem to solve, will get his mates together and beat the **** out of whomsoever presented it until they cease being problematic. Click me =]\|[=
Mephiztopheleze Laphroaig Inc. 964	Posted - 2016.09.14 15:22:10 - [17] - Quote Violetta Shouna wrote: If my attitude is inappropriate, please let me know. Thanks! you get +100 Newbro Chutzpah from little old moi. don't get mad, get even! i like it. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1043	Posted - 2016.09.14 15:33:26 - [18] - Quote Violetta Shouna wrote: If my attitude is inappropriate, please let me know. Thanks! You are already a true eve player. True eve players learn from their problems and adapt. Some players counter attack, others evade, others join the enemy. As long as you learn and adapt, you are the kind of player than can truly "get" EvE. Players that want the game to adapt to their playstyle generally don't last very long. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Piugattuk Lima beans Corp 468	Posted - 2016.09.14 20:36:41 - [19] - Quote Violetta Shouna wrote: Hello. Today I was banned from the citadel "public refinery". There were 1 billion of ore that I mined, and I cannot even touch them now. I tried some alternative ways to get reach but it looks like the citadel is completely private now, so that nobody can dock there. Of course it can be mistake of owner, and it's my fault trusting "public" citadel. The owner may response for my message later. However, If the owner REALLY intend to kidnap my assets, (he already ignored my invitation 3 times) I'm willing to challenge destroying the citadel. Assuming I can manage 12 accounts, Can I definitely destroy it? Or does It depend on what defender do? Any advice will be appreciated. Thanks. Listen, sorry for your loss, chock this up to a lesson, never ever trust players in eve, this is why I don't store or use citadel's for anything except the occasional sale, otherwise you can get burned like this. War deccing them is a waste of ISK as any corps putting up one of those is lible to have many friends backing them up. Always, always use NPC stations, to store goods. Again let it sit there, and contract it to your alt, again trust absolutely NO ONE, but contract it to your alt immediately otherwise if they decide to take down or sell the place your stuff is stuck in a contract, you can make a deal for 3/4 of the worth value with those crooked fingers then you will get something back rather then nothing. Good luck.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1215	Posted - 2016.09.14 20:37:10 - [20] - Quote Violetta Shouna wrote: If my attitude is inappropriate, please let me know. Your attitude is wonderful. Remove insurance.
Piugattuk Lima beans Corp 468	Posted - 2016.09.14 20:41:07 - [21] - Quote Wander Prian wrote: You are aware that you can manually trigger the asset safety and have your stuff moved to a station or citadel? Go to personal assets(ALT-T) and right click the name of the citadel you have the stuck assets at. Excellent info, thanks.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1215	Posted - 2016.09.14 20:43:16 - [22] - Quote Crimson Midnight wrote: I may be interested in helping out (and I've spoken to Violetta). If anyone else has no corp and would like to help out, drop me an evemail. Ralph, sent you a message as well. Let me know if this is going somewhere. I'll try to convince my fellow capsuleer Enn Kenali to hop into a shitfit Prophecy or Armageddon and pull out a flight of drones. It will very much depend on the schedule though. Remove insurance.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 18060	Posted - 2016.09.14 21:03:13 - [23] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: Crimson Midnight wrote: I may be interested in helping out (and I've spoken to Violetta). If anyone else has no corp and would like to help out, drop me an evemail. Ralph, sent you a message as well. Let me know if this is going somewhere. I'll try to convince my fellow capsuleer Enn Kenali to hop into a shitfit Prophecy or Armageddon and pull out a flight of drones. It will very much depend on the schedule though. I'm not going to be running with this, op seems to have been happy enough with recovering assets so. Click me =]\|[=
Keno Skir 844	Posted - 2016.09.16 09:22:56 - [24] - Quote Violetta Shouna wrote: If my attitude is inappropriate, please let me know. Thanks! Check out how all the nasty EvE vets everyone always complains about actually love you now because of your excellent attitude. Note how you were not torn a new a-hole from all directions. This is what happens when a new player hits an obstacle and chooses to fight the obstacle in game rather than complain on the forums that the obstacle was there in the first place. Massive +1 OP Contact me in game for free ships n stuff should you ever so need :) Gùï> 30 Day Buddy Trial + ISK Bonus & Starting Assistance <Gùï Feel free to contact me regarding my posts, or my 30 Day EvE Buddy Trials \o/
Christopher Mabata Sentinel Incorporium 422	Posted - 2016.09.16 14:44:54 - [25] - Quote Guessing this is a high sec citadel so what you want is to: A: Not post your intent in a public forum and give them time to prepare based on what we write here B: Abuse Neutral Logistics, from what i understand citadels cant target suspects but that was also something i read here, no hands on Experience. Perhaps someone else can confirm or deny C: High damage high tank ships like Megathrons or go with the traditional Oracle POS bash setup D: Bring Friends, something comfy to sit on, plenty of food and beverage because your going to be there a while E: Make sure your ready if they bring a response fleet, and scan the citadel so you can determine its defenses Welp thats what i get for not reading 2 pages first, thread appears resolved just me being not-so-casually-late as usual GÖú Small Gang PVP, Large Fleet PVP, Black Ops, Incursions, Trade, and Industry GÖú 70% Lethal / 30% Super-Snuggly / 110% No idea what im doing GÖú This Message Brought to you by a sweet and sour bittervet
Vortexo VonBrenner Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning 2474	Posted - 2016.09.16 19:21:11 - [26] - Quote Wander Prian wrote: You are aware that you can manually trigger the asset safety and have your stuff moved to a station or citadel? Go to personal assets(ALT-T) and right click the name of the citadel you have the stuck assets at. Didn't know that, thanks! Always more to learn in EvE! EvE security zones in pictures EvE quick reference pdf A wise man sums up EvE Smoke me a Kipper...
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 56544	Posted - 2016.09.18 00:56:05 - [27] - Quote Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: Wander Prian wrote: You are aware that you can manually trigger the asset safety and have your stuff moved to a station or citadel? Go to personal assets(ALT-T) and right click the name of the citadel you have the stuck assets at. Didn't know that, thanks! Always more to learn in EvE! Same here, even after 8 years of playing this game I still learn something new almost every day. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Roxsee Watsonian Dragron Riders Inc Cede Nullis 0	Posted - 2016.09.22 05:26:03 - [28] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: Wander Prian wrote: You are aware that you can manually trigger the asset safety and have your stuff moved to a station or citadel? Go to personal assets(ALT-T) and right click the name of the citadel you have the stuck assets at. Didn't know that, thanks! Always more to learn in EvE! Same here, even after 8 years of playing this game I still learn something new almost every day. DMC Make sure you are NOT in the citadel when you right click...undock or be in another station.
Toobo Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 180	Posted - 2016.09.22 07:14:04 - [29] - Quote If you are new, look up this gentleman called "Chribba". If you tell him lots of poor Veldspars are kidnapped and in desperate need of rescue, he may give you some support, not for you, but for the Veldspar. Toobo is a lucky talisman - use Toobo's referral for IWI and you too can be lucky. ;) Programers/Designers Wanted

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 15594	Posted - 2016.09.22 08:10:51 - [30] - Quote TIL asset safety, thank you. As for public citadels, in the future chose one owned by me, I have reasonable prices for offices and clones, and will never deny the public access to it (with exception of possibly attacking forces). /c GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba


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