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Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.19 17:07:00 - [1] The walking in stations thing has got me thinking about the future of these sorts of games. In 'Snow Crash', Neal Stephenson presents an anarchic future of scare resources in which people live out some signficant portion of their lives logged into the Metaverse. While in the Metaverse, their avatars interact in pretty much all possible ways, including combat -- with the distinction from the Matrix that death in the Metaverse is not the same as death in reality. If stations become places where complexly rendered avatars can interact in all sorts of ways, could the whole space ship part of Eve become a side-show to the free-form interactions between people in stations? Or I guess life in stations would be effected by what happens when people get in the spaceships. Anyway -- 10 years down the road, is the Metaverse really what we're 'playing'? And is Eve best positioned to get us there? Anyway, Snow Crash is a great book. Old news I guess, but still worth reading.
VanNostrum	Posted - 2007.03.19 17:50:00 - [2] The walking in stations thing will be a step towards a new aspect imo. At first it will increase the RPG section of game, but in the end the added mechanics can lead to expansion of the game beyond our expectations with future additions. The planetary bases, land battles, planet explorations etc. But spaceship part of eve can never be the shideshow imo. It's what we started the game for, and all current players will continue to take part in space battles. If current eve players were more towards land based rpg they'd be playing swg, wow and the likes. Sure it can bring in new players who maybe won't be interested in space flight part of game, but it will also increase player number in space battles with future expansions with added RPG. Eve will be all-time classic, all-time best.
Shalia Ripper Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.03.19 18:00:00 - [3] Originally by: Johnny ReeRee The walking in stations thing has got me thinking about the future of these sorts of games. In 'Snow Crash', Neal Stephenson presents an anarchic future of scare resources in which people live out some signficant portion of their lives logged into the Metaverse. While in the Metaverse, their avatars interact in pretty much all possible ways, including combat -- with the distinction from the Matrix that death in the Metaverse is not the same as death in reality. If stations become places where complexly rendered avatars can interact in all sorts of ways, could the whole space ship part of Eve become a side-show to the free-form interactions between people in stations? Or I guess life in stations would be effected by what happens when people get in the spaceships. Anyway -- 10 years down the road, is the Metaverse really what we're 'playing'? And is Eve best positioned to get us there? Anyway, Snow Crash is a great book. Old news I guess, but still worth reading. I would say that Second Life is closer to the Metaverse of Snow Crash than EVE-O. EVE has gameplay. Second Life is only about interaction. It has an economy that is tied to real money, more in line with the Metaverse described in Snow Crash. However, I do not know if it has the occassional katana fight. ;)
Fabrique Nationale	Posted - 2007.03.19 18:13:00 - [4] Edited by: Fabrique Nationale on 19/03/2007 18:10:12 I agree with the poster above, Second Life is closer to the metaverse than EvE is. I think a true open protocol version of Second Life will come, and instead of all nodes existing in one datacenter they'll be spread out across countless hosting facilities like the web is today. That said, I think you'll see games like EvE and WoW having "portals" from the 'Metaverse' which hook into their games. It'd be nice to be able to pull models out from those games and back into the larger arena. Flying my Taranis through Second Life? Yes, please! Bring our Ambulation Avatars for a stroll past the WoW kids? FN Edit: EEP! What's wrong with my Avatar!
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.19 18:16:00 - [5] If I could fly a Raven I would call it Poor Impulse Control. Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. - Janis Joplin
T'Renn Crimson Squall	Posted - 2007.03.19 18:23:00 - [6] Originally by: MrTripps If I could fly a Raven I would call it Poor Impulse Control. Thread over. Also I am Hiro Protagonist's alt -- Wanna be a low-sec scumbag?
Andrew LaFollett	Posted - 2007.03.19 18:31:00 - [7] I name my EW ships "Snow Crash" Sounds like the OP has just read this great book for the first time.
Kayanai	Posted - 2007.03.19 19:53:00 - [8] Originally by: Fabrique Nationale Edited by: Fabrique Nationale on 19/03/2007 18:10:12 I agree with the poster above, Second Life is closer to the metaverse than EvE is. I think a true open protocol version of Second Life will come, and instead of all nodes existing in one datacenter they'll be spread out across countless hosting facilities like the web is today. That said, I think you'll see games like EvE and WoW having "portals" from the 'Metaverse' which hook into their games. It'd be nice to be able to pull models out from those games and back into the larger arena. Flying my Taranis through Second Life? Yes, please! Bring our Ambulation Avatars for a stroll past the WoW kids? FN Edit: EEP! What's wrong with my Avatar! Yup, your avatar looks absolutely lovely.... Kay --- Sig missing......
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Galactic-Federation	Posted - 2007.03.19 20:16:00 - [9] Edited by: Juwi Kotch on 19/03/2007 20:16:36 Originally by: Shalia Ripper I would say that Second Life is closer to the Metaverse of Snow Crash than EVE-O. EVE has gameplay. Second Life is only about interaction. It has an economy that is tied to real money, more in line with the Metaverse described in Snow Crash. However, I do not know if it has the occassional katana fight. ;) Of course that's true, since we don't walk in stations yet. In two years EVE very much will not be that different from Second Life anymore, especially since with the means of GTC we also have a RL money connection for our ISK. And in EVE we would have Katana fights, although with very, very big Katanas . Having said this, my corporation is all about what the OP mentioned. Just click on the signature and see yourself... ahmmm... and Fabrique, you definitly should visit a doctor very soon. You don't look to good (somehow reminds me at Beetlejuice after he is shrink-headed...). Juwi Kotch JOIN NOW, KLICK SIG!
Helmut 314 Amarr J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2007.03.19 20:27:00 - [10] Eve is nothing like the Metaverse. The walking in stations thing is just eyecandy without substance. The more interesting question is if Eve exists in two years. The pace of change in eve is becoming glacial, New features get pushed back further and further and even the simplest bug like the POS fuel mail one takes over ten weeks to get fixed (maybe). Its of course a function of the complexity of Eve, but also what will kill the game. ________________________________ Trying is the first step of failure - Homer J Simpson
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.19 20:35:00 - [11] Originally by: Helmut 314 The pace of change in eve is becoming glacial, New features get pushed back further and further and even the simplest bug like the POS fuel mail one takes over ten weeks to get fixed (maybe). Its of course a function of the complexity of Eve, but also what will kill the game. QFT - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Galactic-Federation	Posted - 2007.03.19 20:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Helmut 314 Eve is nothing like the Metaverse. The walking in stations thing is just eyecandy without substance. The more interesting question is if Eve exists in two years. The pace of change in eve is becoming glacial, New features get pushed back further and further and even the simplest bug like the POS fuel mail one takes over ten weeks to get fixed (maybe). Its of course a function of the complexity of Eve, but also what will kill the game. That is annoying, and should not just be shrugged off by the community. It is just an indication of the totally inconsistent professionality of CCP: Absolutey excelling in some aspects of game design and maintenance (graphics, general game design), and completely clueless in others (bug management, webmanagement). But things like that will not kill the game. Eve has the potential to become part of the future Metaverse, more then any other MMOG I know. That's the sole reason why I'm here. Juwi Kotch JOIN NOW, KLICK SIG!
Shalia Ripper Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.03.19 21:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Fabrique Nationale Edit: EEP! What's wrong with my Avatar! Hey Fab, did you try one of those silly quick weightloss diets?
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.19 21:37:00 - [14] Originally by: Helmut 314 The walking in stations thing is just eyecandy without substance. I would guess that the R&D they are putting into walking in stations isn't primarily for Eve. It may show up in Eve, but as Helmut mentions, it doesn't add much to actual game play to justify the resources CCP seems to be giving it. It does make sense if that capability was being developed kinda-sorta for Eve, but mainly for a different title. Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose. - Janis Joplin
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.19 21:42:00 - [15] Quote: totally inconsistent professionality of CCP: Absolutey excelling in some aspects of game design and maintenance (graphics, general game design), and completely clueless in others (bug management, webmanagement). Well put. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Jollyreaper Gallente Ace Adventure Corp	Posted - 2007.03.19 22:39:00 - [16] So if I call myself Hiro do I get the katana? Or could I settle for the Harley with the nuke in the sidecar?
unit003	Posted - 2007.03.19 22:58:00 - [17] Sorry for OT but i just couldnt resist it - look at Fabrique Nationale portrait ( http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=bigshot&cid=933393741 ) Yeah... CCP has sense of humor.
Fabrique Nationale	Posted - 2007.05.11 19:31:00 - [18] I'm not the only one who is... facially challenged! Click Me FN
Salvis Tallan Gallente The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.11 19:34:00 - [19] I love that book, its just fun to read. As long as it doesn't cross over into real life, and the world doesnt colapse, it would be pretty cool. Then we could all say, 'I remember a time when eve was all about spaceships!' ------
stoicfaux	Posted - 2007.05.11 19:53:00 - [20] Meh, the Metaverse is a gimmick. It'd be great for video conferencing (presentations, virtual conference rooms for whiteboarding, "hands on" demos of real world items, interactive visualization of mathematical models, etc.,) but would anyone really want to 'walk around' in a Metaverse for mundane tasks? I think I would prefer the current amazon.com format over having to walk through a virtual bookstore. The Metaverse is heavy on eye-candy, and for most purposes eye-candy gets in the way of searching, information, and purchasing. However, it would be great for gaming, since it's a (more practical) variant of the holo-deck.
moroti Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN	Posted - 2007.05.11 21:08:00 - [21] Originally by: MrTripps If I could fly a Raven I would call it Poor Impulse Control. Thats what I called my moros Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])

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