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WarMongeer	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:44:00 - [1] If you have a gang of people escorting your freighter, and it gets the highsec gank, you don't have a counter. Concord is supposed to be your counter. You can't target and kill enough ships to make a difference before they pull their stunt off, if there's enough of them. That's why I'm advocating the addition (or return) to the game for remote hull reppers. If your protective gang is large enough, even with a huge empire gank, they can make it much more difficult to kill something as large as a freighter. They carry massive amounts of loot. They should be more protectable, with enough people involved.
WarMongeer	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:44:00 - [2] If you have a gang of people escorting your freighter, and it gets the highsec gank, you don't have a counter. Concord is supposed to be your counter. You can't target and kill enough ships to make a difference before they pull their stunt off, if there's enough of them. That's why I'm advocating the addition (or return) to the game for remote hull reppers. If your protective gang is large enough, even with a huge empire gank, they can make it much more difficult to kill something as large as a freighter. They carry massive amounts of loot. They should be more protectable, with enough people involved.
WarMongeer	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:44:00 - [3] If you have a gang of people escorting your freighter, and it gets the highsec gank, you don't have a counter. Concord is supposed to be your counter. You can't target and kill enough ships to make a difference before they pull their stunt off, if there's enough of them. That's why I'm advocating the addition (or return) to the game for remote hull reppers. If your protective gang is large enough, even with a huge empire gank, they can make it much more difficult to kill something as large as a freighter. They carry massive amounts of loot. They should be more protectable, with enough people involved.
Spawinte Gallente The Templars Knights	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:52:00 - [4] People are killing freighters in high sec now? Did your corp lose one?
Spawinte Gallente The Templars Knights	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:52:00 - [5] People are killing freighters in high sec now? Did your corp lose one?
Spawinte Gallente The Templars Knights	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:52:00 - [6] People are killing freighters in high sec now? Did your corp lose one?
Imechal Ravpeim International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:56:00 - [7] They should also be destroyable with enough people involved...
Imechal Ravpeim International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:56:00 - [8] They should also be destroyable with enough people involved...
Imechal Ravpeim International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:56:00 - [9] They should also be destroyable with enough people involved...
Dana Topal	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Spawinte People are killing freighters in high sec now? issnt that what privateers are for? ;)
Dana Topal	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Spawinte People are killing freighters in high sec now? issnt that what privateers are for? ;)
Dana Topal	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Spawinte People are killing freighters in high sec now? issnt that what privateers are for? ;)
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:58:00 - [13] But not in High Sec.
Auron Shadowbane	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:58:00 - [14] remote hull repears ftw! and I want a capital one for my carrier to charge people 50% of a stations fee to repair their freighters :D
Krxon Blade Caldari Apogee Group	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:58:00 - [15] Originally by: WarMongeer If you have a gang of people escorting your freighter, and it gets the highsec gank, you don't have a counter. ... Remote shields, remote armour, gang bonuses, ... --
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:58:00 - [16] But not in High Sec.
Auron Shadowbane	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:58:00 - [17] remote hull repears ftw! and I want a capital one for my carrier to charge people 50% of a stations fee to repair their freighters :D
Krxon Blade Caldari Apogee Group	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:58:00 - [18] Originally by: WarMongeer If you have a gang of people escorting your freighter, and it gets the highsec gank, you don't have a counter. ... Remote shields, remote armour, gang bonuses, ... --
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:58:00 - [19] But not in High Sec.
Auron Shadowbane	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:58:00 - [20] remote hull repears ftw! and I want a capital one for my carrier to charge people 50% of a stations fee to repair their freighters :D
Krxon Blade Caldari Apogee Group	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:58:00 - [21] Originally by: WarMongeer If you have a gang of people escorting your freighter, and it gets the highsec gank, you don't have a counter. ... Remote shields, remote armour, gang bonuses, ... --
Imechal Ravpeim International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:59:00 - [22] Explain to me how remote hull reppers will be different than remote shield repping or remote armor repping for a freighter? It's not like it's just a flying structure, it still has some armor and shields, and they even have base resists.
Imechal Ravpeim International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:59:00 - [23] Explain to me how remote hull reppers will be different than remote shield repping or remote armor repping for a freighter? It's not like it's just a flying structure, it still has some armor and shields, and they even have base resists.
Imechal Ravpeim International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.20 16:59:00 - [24] Explain to me how remote hull reppers will be different than remote shield repping or remote armor repping for a freighter? It's not like it's just a flying structure, it still has some armor and shields, and they even have base resists.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:01:00 - [25] No, because as it stands shield and armour reppers are good enough. Also there are no Capital hull reppers and tbh I like the idea that a Titan in to structure will burn forever. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:01:00 - [26] No, because as it stands shield and armour reppers are good enough. Also there are no Capital hull reppers and tbh I like the idea that a Titan in to structure will burn forever. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:01:00 - [27] No, because as it stands shield and armour reppers are good enough. Also there are no Capital hull reppers and tbh I like the idea that a Titan in to structure will burn forever. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
ForceM Gallente POS Builder Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Spawinte People are killing freighters in high sec now? Did your corp lose one? There has been an alliance that killed a BoB frieghter carrying large amounts of T2 items throught high-sec. I seen the movie they made .. ill see if i can find it for yah :) Me being a pessimist is a win-win situation: Either i am right .. or its even better then i said.
ForceM Gallente POS Builder Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Spawinte People are killing freighters in high sec now? Did your corp lose one? There has been an alliance that killed a BoB frieghter carrying large amounts of T2 items throught high-sec. I seen the movie they made .. ill see if i can find it for yah :) Me being a pessimist is a win-win situation: Either i am right .. or its even better then i said.
ForceM Gallente POS Builder Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Spawinte People are killing freighters in high sec now? Did your corp lose one? There has been an alliance that killed a BoB frieghter carrying large amounts of T2 items throught high-sec. I seen the movie they made .. ill see if i can find it for yah :) Me being a pessimist is a win-win situation: Either i am right .. or its even better then i said.
Miss KillSome	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:03:00 - [31] why are freighters now new target? Did i missed something new in patch?
Miss KillSome	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:03:00 - [32] why are freighters now new target? Did i missed something new in patch?
Miss KillSome	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:03:00 - [33] why are freighters now new target? Did i missed something new in patch?
Kappas. Galaxy Punks Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:04:00 - [34] Originally by: ForceM Originally by: Spawinte People are killing freighters in high sec now? Did your corp lose one? There has been an alliance that killed a BoB frieghter carrying large amounts of T2 items throught high-sec. I seen the movie they made .. ill see if i can find it for yah :) Wasn't that 0utbreak?
Kappas. Galaxy Punks Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:04:00 - [35] Originally by: ForceM Originally by: Spawinte People are killing freighters in high sec now? Did your corp lose one? There has been an alliance that killed a BoB frieghter carrying large amounts of T2 items throught high-sec. I seen the movie they made .. ill see if i can find it for yah :) Wasn't that 0utbreak?
Kappas. Galaxy Punks Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:04:00 - [36] Originally by: ForceM Originally by: Spawinte People are killing freighters in high sec now? Did your corp lose one? There has been an alliance that killed a BoB frieghter carrying large amounts of T2 items throught high-sec. I seen the movie they made .. ill see if i can find it for yah :) Wasn't that 0utbreak?
Miss KillSome	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:05:00 - [37] Originally by: ForceM Originally by: Spawinte People are killing freighters in high sec now? Did your corp lose one? There has been an alliance that killed a BoB frieghter carrying large amounts of T2 items throught high-sec. I seen the movie they made .. ill see if i can find it for yah :) wanna see it too:)
ForceM Gallente POS Builder Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:05:00 - [38] Down with the freighter Me being a pessimist is a win-win situation: Either i am right .. or its even better then i said.
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:05:00 - [39] We are an alliance now? goes and cries in a corner
Miss KillSome	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:05:00 - [40] Originally by: ForceM Originally by: Spawinte People are killing freighters in high sec now? Did your corp lose one? There has been an alliance that killed a BoB frieghter carrying large amounts of T2 items throught high-sec. I seen the movie they made .. ill see if i can find it for yah :) wanna see it too:)
ForceM Gallente POS Builder Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:05:00 - [41] Down with the freighter Me being a pessimist is a win-win situation: Either i am right .. or its even better then i said.
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:05:00 - [42] We are an alliance now? goes and cries in a corner
Miss KillSome	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:05:00 - [43] Originally by: ForceM Originally by: Spawinte People are killing freighters in high sec now? Did your corp lose one? There has been an alliance that killed a BoB frieghter carrying large amounts of T2 items throught high-sec. I seen the movie they made .. ill see if i can find it for yah :) wanna see it too:)
ForceM Gallente POS Builder Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:05:00 - [44] Down with the freighter Me being a pessimist is a win-win situation: Either i am right .. or its even better then i said.
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:05:00 - [45] We are an alliance now? goes and cries in a corner
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:06:00 - [46] Originally by: Celeste Coeval No, because as it stands shield and armour reppers are good enough. Also there are no Capital hull reppers and tbh I like the idea that a Titan in to structure will burn forever. a titan can just fit a normal hull rep sure might take a while to repair but it won'nt be burning forever. Join The Fight With Promo Today
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:06:00 - [47] Originally by: Celeste Coeval No, because as it stands shield and armour reppers are good enough. Also there are no Capital hull reppers and tbh I like the idea that a Titan in to structure will burn forever. a titan can just fit a normal hull rep sure might take a while to repair but it won'nt be burning forever. Join The Fight With Promo Today
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:06:00 - [48] Originally by: Celeste Coeval No, because as it stands shield and armour reppers are good enough. Also there are no Capital hull reppers and tbh I like the idea that a Titan in to structure will burn forever. a titan can just fit a normal hull rep sure might take a while to repair but it won'nt be burning forever. Join The Fight With Promo Today
ForceM Gallente POS Builder Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:07:00 - [49] Originally by: Kappas. Originally by: ForceM Originally by: Spawinte People are killing freighters in high sec now? Did your corp lose one? There has been an alliance that killed a BoB frieghter carrying large amounts of T2 items throught high-sec. I seen the movie they made .. ill see if i can find it for yah :) Wasn't that 0utbreak? Yup :) Me being a pessimist is a win-win situation: Either i am right .. or its even better then i said.
ForceM Gallente POS Builder Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:07:00 - [50] Originally by: Kappas. Originally by: ForceM Originally by: Spawinte People are killing freighters in high sec now? Did your corp lose one? There has been an alliance that killed a BoB frieghter carrying large amounts of T2 items throught high-sec. I seen the movie they made .. ill see if i can find it for yah :) Wasn't that 0utbreak? Yup :) Me being a pessimist is a win-win situation: Either i am right .. or its even better then i said.
ForceM Gallente POS Builder Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Kappas. Originally by: ForceM Originally by: Spawinte People are killing freighters in high sec now? Did your corp lose one? There has been an alliance that killed a BoB frieghter carrying large amounts of T2 items throught high-sec. I seen the movie they made .. ill see if i can find it for yah :) Wasn't that 0utbreak? Yup :) Me being a pessimist is a win-win situation: Either i am right .. or its even better then i said.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:08:00 - [52] Originally by: sableye Originally by: Celeste Coeval No, because as it stands shield and armour reppers are good enough. Also there are no Capital hull reppers and tbh I like the idea that a Titan in to structure will burn forever. a titan can just fit a normal hull rep sure might take a while to repair but it won'nt be burning forever. True but i feel sorry for him "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:08:00 - [53] Originally by: sableye Originally by: Celeste Coeval No, because as it stands shield and armour reppers are good enough. Also there are no Capital hull reppers and tbh I like the idea that a Titan in to structure will burn forever. a titan can just fit a normal hull rep sure might take a while to repair but it won'nt be burning forever. True but i feel sorry for him "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:08:00 - [54] Originally by: sableye Originally by: Celeste Coeval No, because as it stands shield and armour reppers are good enough. Also there are no Capital hull reppers and tbh I like the idea that a Titan in to structure will burn forever. a titan can just fit a normal hull rep sure might take a while to repair but it won'nt be burning forever. True but i feel sorry for him "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
WarMongeer	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:15:00 - [55] Originally by: Imechal Ravpeim They should also be destroyable with enough people involved... I agree. Dropping all their loot when doing so is what would make them the new target.
WarMongeer	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:15:00 - [56] Originally by: Imechal Ravpeim They should also be destroyable with enough people involved... I agree. Dropping all their loot when doing so is what would make them the new target.
WarMongeer	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:15:00 - [57] Originally by: Imechal Ravpeim They should also be destroyable with enough people involved... I agree. Dropping all their loot when doing so is what would make them the new target.
Xoduse Gallente Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:17:00 - [58] To the OP: Do you understand basic tanking? Just because you have tons of hull HP does not mean thats what you want to be repping. You want to rep whatever has the best overall resists, thus giving your ship more effective hp. Say somehow a freighter had 50% resists across the board on armor, each armor HP is far more valuable than all that structure. ---------------------
Xoduse Gallente Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:17:00 - [59] To the OP: Do you understand basic tanking? Just because you have tons of hull HP does not mean thats what you want to be repping. You want to rep whatever has the best overall resists, thus giving your ship more effective hp. Say somehow a freighter had 50% resists across the board on armor, each armor HP is far more valuable than all that structure. ---------------------
Xoduse Gallente Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:17:00 - [60] To the OP: Do you understand basic tanking? Just because you have tons of hull HP does not mean thats what you want to be repping. You want to rep whatever has the best overall resists, thus giving your ship more effective hp. Say somehow a freighter had 50% resists across the board on armor, each armor HP is far more valuable than all that structure. ---------------------
WarMongeer	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:30:00 - [61] Let me make myself just a little bit clearer to the people with armor rep, shield rep, and tanking advice above: Just like regular ships now, freighters (apparently) will drop loot. Unlike regular ships they cannot: 1. repair their own armor 2. repair their own hull What I'm saying is, add some more options. And they have huge structure, even if it is without resists (another good idea might be to just allow them to fit damage controls and forget my whole argument). The IAC guy above is right; armor and shield repping remotely is superior. It should not, however, be the only option, when that much money is at stake.
WarMongeer	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:30:00 - [62] Let me make myself just a little bit clearer to the people with armor rep, shield rep, and tanking advice above: Just like regular ships now, freighters (apparently) will drop loot. Unlike regular ships they cannot: 1. repair their own armor 2. repair their own hull What I'm saying is, add some more options. And they have huge structure, even if it is without resists (another good idea might be to just allow them to fit damage controls and forget my whole argument). The IAC guy above is right; armor and shield repping remotely is superior. It should not, however, be the only option, when that much money is at stake.
WarMongeer	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:30:00 - [63] Let me make myself just a little bit clearer to the people with armor rep, shield rep, and tanking advice above: Just like regular ships now, freighters (apparently) will drop loot. Unlike regular ships they cannot: 1. repair their own armor 2. repair their own hull What I'm saying is, add some more options. And they have huge structure, even if it is without resists (another good idea might be to just allow them to fit damage controls and forget my whole argument). The IAC guy above is right; armor and shield repping remotely is superior. It should not, however, be the only option, when that much money is at stake.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:33:00 - [64] I disagree shield and armour tanking is sufficent to tank a freighter. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:33:00 - [65] I disagree shield and armour tanking is sufficent to tank a freighter. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:33:00 - [66] I disagree shield and armour tanking is sufficent to tank a freighter. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
Aquidus Nefron Caldari Department of Defence Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:47:00 - [67] Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot But not in High Sec. thats why privateers wardec everyone, free freighter kills
Aquidus Nefron Caldari Department of Defence Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2007.03.20 17:47:00 - [68] Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot But not in High Sec. thats why privateers wardec everyone, free freighter kills
Kiviar Caldari VorthosCorp	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:04:00 - [69] Oh lord, that freighter didn't even last five seconds. Hoenstly though, if you just fly your freighter around in empire on auto you are asking for it to be blown up, reppers or no.
Kiviar Caldari VorthosCorp	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:04:00 - [70] Oh lord, that freighter didn't even last five seconds. Hoenstly though, if you just fly your freighter around in empire on auto you are asking for it to be blown up, reppers or no.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:05:00 - [71] Originally by: Kiviar Oh lord, that freighter didn't even last five seconds. Hoenstly though, if you just fly your freighter around in empire on auto you are asking for it to be blown up, reppers or no. How is one supposed to defend a freighter in empire, even if you're using warp to zero? They take a minute to get into warp anyways. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:05:00 - [72] Originally by: Kiviar Oh lord, that freighter didn't even last five seconds. Hoenstly though, if you just fly your freighter around in empire on auto you are asking for it to be blown up, reppers or no. How is one supposed to defend a freighter in empire, even if you're using warp to zero? They take a minute to get into warp anyways. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
QVCatullus Gallente Red Eclipse Inc. The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:08:00 - [73] Is there any reason why there ARE no remote hull reppers? Were they exploited in the past? Given that shields and armor can be repaired remotely, I'd assume that there must be some specific reason that hull can't, otherwise why not just toss them in? They'd probably need to be much slower than armor reppers (because using a standard hull repper is much slower than a standard armor repper) and might not be much use for assisting a tank, so I don't know how much they would help the OP.
QVCatullus Gallente Red Eclipse Inc. The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:08:00 - [74] Is there any reason why there ARE no remote hull reppers? Were they exploited in the past? Given that shields and armor can be repaired remotely, I'd assume that there must be some specific reason that hull can't, otherwise why not just toss them in? They'd probably need to be much slower than armor reppers (because using a standard hull repper is much slower than a standard armor repper) and might not be much use for assisting a tank, so I don't know how much they would help the OP.
Kiviar Caldari VorthosCorp	Posted - 2007.03.20 18:25:00 - [75] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Kiviar Oh lord, that freighter didn't even last five seconds. Hoenstly though, if you just fly your freighter around in empire on auto you are asking for it to be blown up, reppers or no. How is one supposed to defend a freighter in empire, even if you're using warp to zero? They take a minute to get into warp anyways. There isnÆt anything you can do if you run in to a gank squad like that. If someone wants to blow up your freighter realistically the only thing you can do to keep yourself safe is to have the way ahead of you scouted for traps. Once people you in their sights you are pretty much dead. You would have to be able to fit a pretty impressive tank to be able to stave off a determined attack.

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