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Bataav Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 310	Posted - 2016.09.28 12:04:47 - [1] - Quote Namas Tayam I recently spent some time in contemplation, thinking about recent events in New Eden and how they reflect the cycle of existence in the cosmos. Much like the tide, we all experience this universal pattern of ebb and flow. When I turned my thoughts to the Amarr coronation, and the advent of a new Empress, this metaphor of the tide and water resonated with me. In my contemplation, I visualised the Empire as a long shoreline, its golden sand stretching into the distance and standing against the churning surf and dark ocean beyond. Closer to home, I imagined the fluidity of the Intaki to be akin to a river, flowing ever onwards. I saw how, as if in reflection of our temperament, its waters parted and joined together as it took the most natural routes through its surroundings, leaving its mark upon the landscape. Recently for the ILF, these Intaki waters have run deep, and so have appeared still to those who look upon the surface. Some may have become concerned that our stretch of the river is no longer life-giving, and has become stagnant. IGÇÖm happy to reassure our friends and supporters that life still teems beneath the surface, and our efforts on Intaki Prime and beyond continue tirelessly. This quiet period is because some time ago, we made a conscious decision to step back from the debates here on the IGS, but I feel itGÇÖs an appropriate time to return, with a fresh approach to discussing Intaki separatism. Let us create some ripples on these Placid waters. Bataav Mahesha \| Intaki Liberation Front & Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 6437	Posted - 2016.09.28 13:54:26 - [2] - Quote Always glad to see efforts for Intaki self-determination. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2356	Posted - 2016.09.28 14:15:58 - [3] - Quote Are you sure you're not associated with the People's Front of Intaki? Bloody splitters.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn Singularity Syndicate 2080	Posted - 2016.09.28 14:20:02 - [4] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Are you sure you're not associated with the People's Front of Intaki? Bloody splitters. That was the Popular People's Front. I think he is the People's Popular Front which is an understandable mistake to make.
Bataav Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 312	Posted - 2016.09.28 18:03:49 - [5] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Arrendis wrote: Are you sure you're not associated with the People's Front of Intaki? Bloody splitters. That was the Popular People's Front. I think he is the People's Popular Front which is an understandable mistake to make. If you mean the Intaki Peoples Front then no, we are not affiliated. Bataav Mahesha \| Intaki Liberation Front & Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2847	Posted - 2016.09.29 06:05:23 - [6] - Quote The Placid waters have a serious problem. It is a pipe, stretching from the Federation. Daily it dumps a lot of sewer and filth from this pump bubbling and gurgling with hedonism, individualism and egalitarianism. They pollute your culture with their indecent and amoral customs, which spread like a brown stinking filth across your water, rising stench in the air. Maybe it's the time for you to consider to cut this pipe and clean your waters from the humiliation of gallentean influence? Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Streago en Thielles Intaki Business Review 0	Posted - 2016.09.29 06:57:26 - [7] - Quote Namas Mehesha Bataav, I find your words inspiring. It is no surprise that such an eloquent way of understanding, should be fostered by one woven from the rich tapestry of Intaki Prime. In space, such fluids are amorphous, with no predilection for one form or another, lest confined to a vessel. It is perhaps why such images of a golden coast award glimpses of definition to the flow, if only through the temporary pauses of waves crashing on a shore. If it is these externalities that award form to the onlooker, then certainly it is the many threads of the Intaki tapestry that form to channel these waters to their worlds. And as each thread is unique, but ever subtly adding to the greater visage of identity, so too is their breadth and span's impact to the currents of these tides, slowly, but consistently, eroding at previously established forms, and shaping the landscape anew. Perhaps then this is why prideful Diana Kim comments the way she does. Her disdain for the subtle changes brought by each individual, makes a work of beauty into chaos, and evolution, a disease. It is certainly this individual's perspective - my perspective, that many that worship the State, have forgotten that it is individuals that make up the State, and not the State that makes up the individuals. No relevant material in the universe is of a single molecule. And even the molecules are made up of their smaller, unique arrangement of components. For any such material to be of a size that could be viewed with the naked eye, would be so rigid, that the lightest breeze, or wave no more imposing than the consequence of a ripple, would shatter it. Life as we know it, cannot exist without water. And the teeming pools of Placid are posed for a cambriac explosion into the cluster, that no Federation (let alone State) vessel can contain. I raise the waters of Intaki Prime in libation, to pour outward, and carve my own form among the cluster. Thank you for these words of encouragement Bataav. I, and the Intaki Business Review will rise to meet you in Placid. Pratya yavati, Streago en Thielles
Julianus Soter Moira. Villore Accords 372	Posted - 2016.09.30 09:02:03 - [8] - Quote Well, if your intentions are for peaceful collaboration and growth between our peoples, Bataav, then I certainly welcome your contributions here, and as a Delegate to the Villore Assembly. I look forward to talking with you soon. Regarding your message of "separatism", I feel you will find the situation similar to attempting to cut off your own arm or leg, a futile and harmful endeavor. There is so much to be accomplished together, than apart. Please contact me if you wish to discuss this further. Regards, Soter Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
Silen Serine 17	Posted - 2016.09.30 21:18:44 - [9] - Quote Being some 13.5 parsecs from Intaki, I think my proximity to their homework perhaps an apt metaphor for my understanding of the Intaki frame of reference, particularly in the topic at hand. Of the many peoples who comprise the Federation, such a patient and contemplative nation as they would make a seemingly perfect compliment to the temperaments of Villore, Ladistier, and Luminaire. So in the interest of discussion, if not only my own illumination: why separatism?
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 6449	Posted - 2016.09.30 22:08:49 - [10] - Quote Julianus Soter wrote: Well, if your intentions are for peaceful collaboration and growth between our peoples, Bataav, then I certainly welcome your contributions here, and as a Delegate to the Villore Assembly. I look forward to talking with you soon. Regarding your message of "separatism", I feel you will find the situation similar to attempting to cut off your own arm or leg, a futile and harmful endeavor. There is so much to be accomplished together, than apart. Please contact me if you wish to discuss this further. Regards, Soter And if it isn't harmful then steps can be taken to make it so, eh? It never ceases to amaze me how an organisation supposedly founded on liberty can be funded by armed oppression and so utterly unable to understand the desire of others for self-determination. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation 404 Alliance Not Found 536	Posted - 2016.09.30 23:17:32 - [11] - Quote Julianus Soter wrote: Well, if your intentions are for peaceful collaboration and growth between our peoples, Bataav, then I certainly welcome your contributions here, and as a Delegate to the Villore Assembly. I look forward to talking with you soon. Regarding your message of "separatism", I feel you will find the situation similar to attempting to cut off your own arm or leg, a futile and harmful endeavor. There is so much to be accomplished together, than apart. Please contact me if you wish to discuss this further. Regards, Soter All three of us know just how open you are to peaceful talks. They usually involve holding a pistol to your opposition's head while they are forced to kneel before you. Your actions years ago will not be easily forgotten. As always the Intaki Liberation Front has my support, I'll continue to be at their disposal. "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
Bataav Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 321	Posted - 2016.10.01 01:31:00 - [12] - Quote Julianus Soter wrote: Well, if your intentions are for peaceful collaboration and growth between our peoples, Bataav, then I certainly welcome your contributions here, and as a Delegate to the Villore Assembly. I look forward to talking with you soon. The ILF has championed peaceful collaboration since our founding ten years ago and, despite aggression and declarations of war against us by pirate groups and others, we have always adopted the role of bridge builders. More recently we have adopted a more robust approach to some specific challenges in and around Intaki, but our core principles remain unchanged. With regards to my position as Delegate to the Villore Assembly, I am honoured to represent my corporation and alliance, and the wider political movement that goes far beyond those organisations. I will be more than happy to discuss Intaki matters with my fellow Delegates, and I hope to bring clarity and understanding to a subject which I feel has been misunderstood and misrepresented by some of our opponents in the past. However, I hope that it is understood that, while we congratulate the Villore Assembly on its involvement in the ceasefire on Tei-Su, and other initiatives across New Eden, we in the IPI and ILF do not seek or expect motions and resolutions to be passed and announced by a pro-Federal capsuleer lobby group. We welcome support from across the political spectrum but, with respect, we do not require your validation. Julianus Soter wrote: There is so much to be accomplished together, than apart. It may surprise some, but I agree. However, as I have said elsewhere, when cooperating and working together, when uniting in some way, it is important not to surrender yourself into that union. True partnership can only be achieved by separate and whole beings who retain their separateness even in unity. That applies to personal relationships and business affiars, and to political and social groups. This is not so in the Federation. Intaki must regain its sense of self. It must become separate and whole once more. Only then is a meaningful and honest relationship with the Federation possible, with both partners as equals. Silen Serine wrote: So in the interest of discussion, if not only my own illumination: why separatism? Separatism is not the same thing as isolationism. It is the taking and accepting of real responsibility and accountability. It is self determination and true freedom. It is the ability to reach for and realise our potential in ways that are currently not available to us as part of the Gallente Federation. It is my intention to clarify and explain our position on a number of matters, hopefully answering your question on why we believe separatism is the best way forward for the people of Intaki. Bataav Mahesha \| Intaki Liberation Front & Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Silen Serine 19	Posted - 2016.10.01 02:45:05 - [13] - Quote Bataav wrote: It is my intention to clarify and explain our position on a number of matters, hopefully answering your question on why we believe separatism is the best way forward for the people of Intaki. I will refrain from posing additional questions, then. I am sure the matter is not simply rendered complete and comprehensive in a forum post anyway. Please do know that my asking is not itself intended as a criticism of the position you hold. In the interim, I will attempt to familiarize myself with more current arguments, in particular the distinctions between Intaki ethnicity, the Syndicate, and the homeworld itself. Policy is, as you inferred in your opening analogy, fluid.
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1424	Posted - 2016.10.02 21:50:47 - [14] - Quote And here we are again, the perennial conundrum of supposed discontent proclaimed by the usual suspects. Bataav wrote: More recently we have adopted a more robust approach to some specific challenges in and around Intaki, but our core principles remain unchanged. An interesting turn of phrase. Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Always glad to see efforts for Intaki self-determination. John Revenent wrote: As always the Intaki Liberation Front has my support, I'll continue to be at their disposal. Should GÇÿIntaki NationalismGÇÖ ever gain popular support, its advocates will certainly be judged by the company they keep. I look forward to your contributions in the Assembly. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 6465	Posted - 2016.10.03 06:13:17 - [15] - Quote I am WONDERFUL company, James. Ask me to dinner and you see if I'm not! For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2439	Posted - 2016.10.03 12:08:47 - [16] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Should GÇÿIntaki NationalismGÇÖ ever gain popular support, its advocates will certainly be judged by the company they keep. Yes, because it's always best to be judgmental and pejorative than to actually consider an idea based on its merits, right? This is why the Tribes are so wary of our 'allies'. For a government so dedicated to freedom, the Federation certainly doesn't see fit to let populations exercise that right when it means they no longer want to be part of it.
Bataav Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 328	Posted - 2016.10.03 13:07:14 - [17] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Bataav wrote: robust An interesting turn of phrase. Intentionally so. James Syagrius wrote: Should GÇÿIntaki NationalismGÇÖ ever gain popular support, its advocates will certainly be judged by the company they keep. Just as Intaki is judged today, under Federal governance. While it certainly matters who we build partnerships with, the important point is that we have the freedom to decide. Bataav Mahesha \| Intaki Liberation Front & Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Turelus Utassi Security 1051	Posted - 2016.10.03 13:28:50 - [18] - Quote Interesting words for thought Bataav. We've shared several conversations at gatherings over the years however it seems each time we step away from those venues our conversations are lost in memory until the next year. I look forward to more of your thoughts being shared here in future. Turelus CEO Utassi Security
Julianus Soter Moira. Villore Accords 377	Posted - 2016.10.03 17:27:06 - [19] - Quote John Revenent wrote: Julianus Soter wrote: Well, if your intentions are for peaceful collaboration and growth between our peoples, Bataav, then I certainly welcome your contributions here, and as a Delegate to the Villore Assembly. I look forward to talking with you soon. Regarding your message of "separatism", I feel you will find the situation similar to attempting to cut off your own arm or leg, a futile and harmful endeavor. There is so much to be accomplished together, than apart. Please contact me if you wish to discuss this further. Regards, Soter All three of us know just how open you are to peaceful talks. They usually involve holding a pistol to your opposition's head while they are forced to kneel before you. Your actions years ago will not be easily forgotten. As always the Intaki Liberation Front has my support, I'll continue to be at their disposal. Mister Revenent, it was good to see you this weekend during the Alliance Tournament. Your team performed honorably, though I do apologize for the destruction of your ship. It was a competition, after all. Those that truly know me understand that collaboration and peaceful negotiation are as agreeable to me as to any other capsuleer. Many have refused diplomacy in the past. I hope that we can move past such unfortunate history. Regarding Bataav, it was a pleasure to meet him at Dam Torsad during the Imperial Trials earlier this year. I am certain that now, more than any time in the past, chance for discussion blooms anew. Regards, Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation 404 Alliance Not Found 539	Posted - 2016.10.03 20:20:40 - [20] - Quote Julianus Soter wrote: Those that truly know me understand that collaboration and peaceful negotiation are as agreeable to me as to any other capsuleer. Many have refused diplomacy in the past. I hope that we can move past such unfortunate history. Right. You're not fooling anyone. "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1427	Posted - 2016.10.03 22:18:04 - [21] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: I am WONDERFUL company, James. Ask me to dinner and you see if I'm not! Of that, I have little doubt, though we seem to travel in different circles. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1427	Posted - 2016.10.03 22:20:07 - [22] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Yes, because it's always best to be judgmental and pejorative than to actually consider an idea based on its merits, right? Much like making assumptions without context. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1438	Posted - 2016.10.03 22:32:48 - [23] - Quote Bataav wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Should GÇÿIntaki NationalismGÇÖ ever gain popular support, its advocates will certainly be judged by the company they keep. Just as Intaki is judged today, under Federal governance. While it certainly matters who we build partnerships with, the important point is that we have the freedom to decide. Intaki is a member of the Federal Union. It chose to be so. When the majority of the GÇÿIntakiGÇÖ choose otherwise the questions will become relevant. Until then you are by many, considered separatist agitators in collusion with the State. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Bataav Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 330	Posted - 2016.10.03 23:18:37 - [24] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Bataav wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Should GÇÿIntaki NationalismGÇÖ ever gain popular support, its advocates will certainly be judged by the company they keep. Just as Intaki is judged today, under Federal governance. While it certainly matters who we build partnerships with, the important point is that we have the freedom to decide. Intaki is a member of the Federal Union. It chose to be so. When the majority of the GÇÿIntakiGÇÖ choose otherwise the questions will become relevant. Until then you are by many, considered separatist agitators in collusion with the State. I appreciate the efficiency with which we're rattling through the usual accusations and arguements, as I intend to address each in turn. For now though I'll simply argue that in a democracy the questions are always relevant. Bataav Mahesha \| Intaki Liberation Front & Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Persephone Alleile Nocx Initiative Moist. 166	Posted - 2016.10.04 14:08:16 - [25] - Quote It brings me a lot of joy to find this thread in the IGS today. I have been following the work of the ILF from a distance for some time now and it gladdens me to see that you are still hard at work on behalf of the Intaki. Baatav, your eloquence and diplomatic approach reflect well on our people. The image of the Intaki as a stream that splits and rejoins as it moves ever forward is one that speaks to me. I split from my home in Placid some years ago to live in Anoikis, but have recently made the decision to return and use what I learned out there to seek business opportunities in Placid and Syndicate regions. Once I get things organized I will get in touch, as I would be interested in helping out however I can.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2445	Posted - 2016.10.04 14:51:21 - [26] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Arrendis wrote: Yes, because it's always best to be judgmental and pejorative than to actually consider an idea based on its merits, right? Much like making assumptions without context. Veiled threats are their own context, sir.
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1439	Posted - 2016.10.04 23:03:57 - [27] - Quote Bataav wrote: I appreciate the efficiency with which we're rattling through the usual accusations and arguments, as I intend to address each in turn. For now, though I'll simply argue that in a democracy the questions are always relevant. We are aren't we, but then these are old arguments. While I oppose your eventual goal, I must admit you are a well chosen and able spokesman. I look forward to more.. productive deliberations, should they occur. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 1447	Posted - 2016.10.04 23:08:56 - [28] - Quote Arrendis wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Arrendis wrote: Yes, because it's always best to be judgmental and pejorative than to actually consider an idea based on its merits, right? Much like making assumptions without context. Veiled threats are their own context, sir. Threats? Who threatened whom? Perhaps you threatened me, and I missed it. But being a humble trader, I often miss the nuances of such. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2455	Posted - 2016.10.04 23:23:50 - [29] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Who threatened whom? Perhaps you threatened me, and I missed it. But being a humble trader, I often miss the nuances of such. James Syagrius wrote: Should GÇÿIntaki NationalismGÇÖ ever gain popular support, its advocates will certainly be judged by the company they keep. That is a veiled threat of recriminationsGÇöand make no mistake, traders and politicians are capable of much, much more effective and far-reaching threats than the people who only shoot things.
Laurentis Thiesant Institute of Social Development 168	Posted - 2016.10.08 23:56:25 - [30] - Quote Bataav wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Bataav wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Should GÇÿIntaki NationalismGÇÖ ever gain popular support, its advocates will certainly be judged by the company they keep. Just as Intaki is judged today, under Federal governance. While it certainly matters who we build partnerships with, the important point is that we have the freedom to decide. Intaki is a member of the Federal Union. It chose to be so. When the majority of the GÇÿIntakiGÇÖ choose otherwise the questions will become relevant. Until then you are by many, considered separatist agitators in collusion with the State. I appreciate the efficiency with which we're rattling through the usual accusations and arguments, as I intend to address each in turn. For now though I'll simply argue that in a democracy the questions are always relevant. Ask your question, in a democracy you are always welcome. I am confident that the answer of the Intaki people will remain what it has been for centuries. You probably won't like it.



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