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SoulLess Zealot
Khaedra's Law
57
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Posted - 2016.09.30 04:03:34 -
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Your Majesty,
Firstly i would like to personally congratulate you on your ascension to the thrown. I would also like to mention i attended your coronation ceremony. Sitting in my Shiniest of ships buzzing around the outside of the mob in attendance i felt nothing but pride in the display of the lands and teachings that gave me my life today, but also a bit of sadness not for myself but a great man that these lands will soon loose. I was thoroughly impressed by the presence of dignitaries from other nations. Most notably of which Maleatu Shakor. The thought that he would be in attendance would have struck me as absurd less i saw it with my own eyes. To think any Sanmatar would come to any royal event ... well i think almost nobody saw that coming. Nor did i expect the bombing attempt or all the negativity based solely on your heritage. I suppose i shouldn't be so surprised, but my mind is not so narrow to think only certain people where created by God, nor would i think a specific creed is all that matters.
Your words are what took the day in my mind however. Some lines in particular :
* "Today, I step forward to lead the people of Amarr into a new era. An era of prosperity, an era of growth. An era of change, and progress." *
* "A path that takes us on a journey paved with prosperity for loyal of the faith." *
*"To support this growth, our administration will work to make the Imperial economy a powerhouse of activity, with new foreign policy and trade legislation that opens up our markets to the cluster like never before."*
Ordinarily i might push this off as typical rhetoric of someone in power, cheeky to be in their new station. I however am not of the short minded type. I recall past positions and opinions. Yours in particular have made me all the more curious with the Sanmatar's appearance. I wish to bring to light the memory my mind holds World news article 8-20-2013. During the succession trials i believe most to of thought of you as one of the more moderate potentials, a view i did not share; In fact i down right laughed. To think that a woman who cares more about her pockets than her message to be thought of anything other than hungry... well that is quite a joke. Now after this days events I'm at a bit of an impasse with myself. I'm not sure weather you have fooled the Sanmatar in some way, or if you have somehow deceived even yourself. Or maybe Maleatu Shakor is in on this in one way or another himself. In any way it takes place i know whats coming. I mean to say i know some sort of Reclaiming is on your to-do list.
In my letter to Rehniz Zateki and subsequently to Lord Yonis i had outlined that i had a peculiar ride in my life up to this point, even more so now with a culmination of events that has lead to myself becoming a holder. I was born to minmatar parents. I had a more privileged upbringing than most but was still born a slave. I lost my parents in the rebellion at the hands of resentful men. Then i was forced through some horrific adaptations and training to fight on these same peoples behalf. I still hold so much hatred over this i feel as though its poring out of my eyes. Despite this i cant bring myself to hold innocent people responsible. I am not of Amarr ancestry which is probably why i look through the inbred and greedy hegemony, policies, and rhetoric, to the true essence of the faith. It's true that God calls for the faith to be spread, however greedily taking slaves in the name of the faith for your own selfish benefit is not in or of the faith. This is the greatest heresy. Lord Yonis understood this. When jamyl tried to smear his name by granting the Amatar madate under his tutelage. The empress thought she had outdone herself. She thought she would brake open a mask and reveal an aristocrat. Instead she found the truth in piety. A man unbroken by faithless shames.
In some time a great man, one of true spirit and faith will show what it is to have conviction once again. I only hope you can live up to the crown adorned your head. I hope you keep the mask on, that so many see as your face. I hope that Garkeh Khanid, keeps his vows and honor in the same respect; and i want you to know that even though a great leader dies capsuleers live forever.
Ever Vigilant
SoulLess Zealot
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Lord Kailethre
Oruze Cruise
White Stag Exit Bag
403
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Posted - 2016.09.30 04:08:42 -
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I don't think Her Holiness reads this cesspit. At least I hope not. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
6444
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Posted - 2016.09.30 04:29:18 -
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I'm not personally familiar with any capsuleer who has lived over the maximum human lifetime.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
811
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Posted - 2016.09.30 05:09:02 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I'm not personally familiar with any capsuleer who has lived over the maximum human lifetime.
Well, there is Otto. He came from the other side of the gate.... 
To OP: Given thought =/= is going to do it. Also, I don't think Shakor fell for anything or was decived in any way. He is many things, and a politican among them. He knows how to smile nice for the camera when needed. If anything it would be him perpetuating the decption, likely to get a better feel for the new Emperess and see if he can gain from her a military, economic, or political advantage to make the Minmatar a less favorable target for a future Reclaiming... Or he could have been there for the free food. That's the only reason I turn up to official functions.....
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1608
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Posted - 2016.09.30 05:09:15 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I'm not personally familiar with any capsuleer who has lived over the maximum human lifetime.
Take note that 'maximum human lifetime' is no longer what it used to be. However, you are right. We are a very recent addition into the interstellar scene.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Alizebeth Amalath
Order of Jamyl
460
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Posted - 2016.09.30 05:35:20 -
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That so many capsuleers who were newly made holders as a result of their fighting prowess seem to think they suddenly have the right to speak on such things in such belligerent terms is very troubling.
SoulLess Zealot, you've managed to insult both Empress Catiz and Empress Jamyl. I have no words. |
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
813
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Posted - 2016.09.30 05:38:51 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Well, there is Otto. He came from the other side of the gate.... To OP: Given thought =/= is going to do it. Also, I don't think Shakor fell for anything or was decived in any way. He is many things, and a politican among them. He knows how to smile nice for the camera when needed. If anything it would be him perpetuating the decption, likely to get a better feel for the new Emperess and see if he can gain from her a military, economic, or political advantage to make the Minmatar a less favorable target for a future Reclaiming... Or he could have been there for the free food. That's the only reason I turn up to official functions..... The Sanmatar might be there just to screw with everyone else.
My bet is on the free food.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2086
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Posted - 2016.09.30 05:40:18 -
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Alizebeth Amalath wrote:That so many capsuleers who were newly made holders as a result of their fighting prowess seem to think they suddenly have the right to speak on such things in such belligerent terms is very troubling.
SoulLess Zealot, you've managed to insult both Empress Catiz and Empress Jamyl. I have no words.
Actually, I count 51 words....
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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SoulLess Zealot
Khaedra's Law
57
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Posted - 2016.09.30 05:40:57 -
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Alizebeth Amalath wrote:That so many capsuleers who were newly made holders as a result of their fighting prowess seem to think they suddenly have the right to speak on such things in such belligerent terms is very troubling.
SoulLess Zealot, you've managed to insult both Empress Catiz and Empress Jamyl. I have no words.
Nothing but her own words and my opinions
and for the record cloning and pods have been around since before the yoiul conference |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1608
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Posted - 2016.09.30 05:46:59 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Well, there is Otto. He came from the other side of the gate.... To OP: Given thought =/= is going to do it. Also, I don't think Shakor fell for anything or was decived in any way. He is many things, and a politican among them. He knows how to smile nice for the camera when needed. If anything it would be him perpetuating the decption, likely to get a better feel for the new Emperess and see if he can gain from her a military, economic, or political advantage to make the Minmatar a less favorable target for a future Reclaiming... Or he could have been there for the free food. That's the only reason I turn up to official functions..... The Sanmatar might be there just to screw with everyone else. My bet is on the free food.
If this is true, I am calling nonsense on the Republic's economic policies.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Samira Kernher
2803
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Posted - 2016.09.30 11:28:23 -
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Thank you for sharing these words with us, my lord. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2402
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Posted - 2016.09.30 12:01:54 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:The Sanmatar might be there just to screw with everyone else. My bet is on the free food. If this is true, I am calling nonsense on the Republic's economic policies.
I've my own theory, but it will have to wait a few more days to see if indications are born out. |
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
814
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Posted - 2016.09.30 15:10:27 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Thank you for sharing these words with us, my lord.
You're welcome.
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2403
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Posted - 2016.09.30 15:14:02 -
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I... you... she...
I can't even. |
Letizzia Omanid
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2016.09.30 16:20:08 -
[15] - Quote
You claim to look to the 'true essence' of faith, and yet you have chosen one of the most blasphemous call signs imaginable. I simply will not repeat it.
The entire tone of your letter and in particular your closing statement is quite shocking. A holder you may be, but you are in no position to question the Lord, or Her Holiness on any subject.
I'm confident my words will fall on deaf ears to one who has strayed so far from the Lord. I do however hope you are truly 'ever vigilant' and can someday find your path to God. |
Samira Kernher
2806
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Posted - 2016.09.30 17:10:55 -
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Letizzia Omanid wrote:You claim to look to the 'true essence' of faith, and yet you have chosen one of the most blasphemous call signs imaginable. I simply will not repeat it.
It is hardly blasphemous. As clones, there is the likelihood that all of us are soulless.
Quote:The entire tone of your letter and in particular your closing statement is quite shocking. A holder you may be, but you are in no position to question the Lord, or Her Holiness on any subject.
It is not inappropriate to be wary of one whose past has been shaped by the pursuit of material goals instead of spiritual ones, and to pray that she will uphold the will of God in her new position. And that is key--he is praying for our empress; he is praying that she will uphold what is right and true. As we all should.
His lordship's concerns are only shocking if they come true. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
6444
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Posted - 2016.09.30 17:41:30 -
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Starving people seldom have much time to spend in contemplation of scripture. The first duty of every state head is to the prosperity of her polity - without that, nothing else can be accomplished and with it, everything else is possible.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1608
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Posted - 2016.09.30 18:44:18 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Starving people seldom have much time to spend in contemplation of scripture. The first duty of every state head is to the prosperity of her polity - without that, nothing else can be accomplished and with it, everything else is possible.
From my observation, any man deprived of basic human needs, be it food, water and shelter, will usually stop acting like a person and start acting like an animal. Before they can be educated in any way, the needs of biology have to be met first.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Samira Kernher
2806
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Posted - 2016.09.30 19:10:13 -
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Only through many hardships
Is a man stripped to his very foundations
And in such a state
Devoid of distractions
Is his soul free to soar
And in this
He is closest to God
- Missions 42:5
And indeed, the first duty of a state head is the prosperity of her polity. How can you see to the prosperity of your people if you fail to Reclaim their spirit? Prosperity of the soul must come before prosperity of the body. The people of Amarr are starving. But it's not food or coin that we are hungry for.
I pray that Her Imperial Majesty will see to our real needs. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
6448
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Posted - 2016.09.30 21:09:36 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Only through many hardships
Is a man stripped to his very foundations
And in such a state
Devoid of distractions
Is his soul free to soar
And in this
He is closest to God
- Missions 42:5
And indeed, the first duty of a state head is the prosperity of her polity. How can you see to the prosperity of your people if you fail to Reclaim their spirit? Prosperity of the soul must come before prosperity of the body. The people of Amarr are starving. But it's not food or coin that we are hungry for.
I pray that Her Imperial Majesty will see to our real needs.
Sammi, if the people of Amarr aren't hungry for food or coin, then she's already met your primary needs. I'm sure the head of a noble house cannot arrive at her station without being a conscientious practitioner of the faith.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
321
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Posted - 2016.10.01 14:10:17 -
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How can you even smear the royal heir's name when you are granting them task in accordance with Scriptures. Certain letters with bizarre "opinions" do sound like a bunch of malarkey tho. |
SoulLess Zealot
Khaedra's Law
60
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Posted - 2016.10.01 16:21:25 -
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Letizzia Omanid wrote:You claim to look to the 'true essence' of faith, and yet you have chosen one of the most blasphemous call signs imaginable. I simply will not repeat it.
The entire tone of your letter and in particular your closing statement is quite shocking. A holder you may be, but you are in no position to question the Lord, or Her Holiness on any subject.
I'm confident my words will fall on deaf ears to one who has strayed so far from the Lord. I do however hope you are truly 'ever vigilant' and can someday find your path to God.
It seems you only serve to further my point of a blinded empire.You can't shade her words in anything other than greed, so you seek to dismiss me based on my chosen name; the allusion of which seems to far removed to ever be in your reach. I am not questioning the lord as the lords work is never done, I cant smile through my dismay however.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Starving people seldom have much time to spend in contemplation of scripture. The first duty of every state head is to the prosperity of her polity - without that, nothing else can be accomplished and with it, everything else is possible.
Elmund Egivand wrote:From my observation, any man deprived of basic human needs, be it food, water and shelter, will usually stop acting like a person and start acting like an animal. Before they can be educated in any way, the needs of biology have to be met first.
There is always time to contemplate ones own position. Only when stripped of everything can we truly gain anything.
Ashlar Vellum wrote:How can you even smear the royal heir's name when you are granting them task in accordance with Scriptures. Certain letters with bizarre "opinions" do sound like a bunch of malarkey tho.
I have smeared nothing. The only thing i have done is brought her own words to bear before a public that seems to have forgotten who she is. |
SoulLess Zealot
Khaedra's Law
60
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Posted - 2016.10.01 16:28:58 -
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Our illustrious ancestors freed their souls from the evils of the old.
world and created a new one.
The great Amarr Empire was founded to cultivate the spirit of man.
To do so the enemies of the outside had to be defeated and the enemies of the inside controlled.
The Lord gave our Emperor the power to harness the Good and punish the Evil.
Ever since, the Emperor has lived the lives of his subjects and breathed the air of authority."
- The Scriptures, Book I 1:14
I Think this may help some to understand where our great land stands today... The Lord gave our emperor the power she dosn't embody the Lord.
We as Amarr must strive to cleanse the land and cultivate the spirit from enemies outside and within |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
321
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Posted - 2016.10.01 17:49:30 -
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SoulLess Zealot wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:How can you even smear the royal heir's name when you are granting them task in accordance with Scriptures. Certain letters with bizarre "opinions" do sound like a bunch of malarkey tho.
I have smeared nothing. The only thing i have done is brought her own words to bear before a public that seems to have forgotten who she is.
I was talking about this
Quote:When Jamil tried to smear his name by granting the Amatar mandate under his tutelage,the empress thought she had outdone herself.
How could his name be smeared by granting him land to govern and subjects to guide closer to God? Was your name smeared when you were given an estate on Radonis? |
SoulLess Zealot
Khaedra's Law
64
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Posted - 2016.10.01 17:52:31 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:SoulLess Zealot wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:How can you even smear the royal heir's name when you are granting them task in accordance with Scriptures. Certain letters with bizarre "opinions" do sound like a bunch of malarkey tho.
I have smeared nothing. The only thing i have done is brought her own words to bear before a public that seems to have forgotten who she is. I was talking about this Quote:When Jamil tried to smear his name by granting the Amatar mandate under his tutelage,the empress thought she had outdone herself. How could his name be smeared by granting him land to govern and subjects to guide closer to God? Was your name smeared when you were given an estate on Radonis?
Her aim was to try to get him to loose face by turning away from the appointment because they are Amatar lands, as most of the aristocracy would. |
Alizebeth Amalath
Order of Jamyl
462
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Posted - 2016.10.01 18:20:29 -
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I find it fascinating that you know everything Her Majesty, Empress Jamyl, may she rest in the Light of God, was thinking. |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
321
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Posted - 2016.10.01 18:26:52 -
[27] - Quote
SoulLess Zealot wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:SoulLess Zealot wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:How can you even smear the royal heir's name when you are granting them task in accordance with Scriptures. Certain letters with bizarre "opinions" do sound like a bunch of malarkey tho.
I have smeared nothing. The only thing i have done is brought her own words to bear before a public that seems to have forgotten who she is. I was talking about this Quote:When Jamil tried to smear his name by granting the Amatar mandate under his tutelage,the empress thought she had outdone herself. How could his name be smeared by granting him land to govern and subjects to guide closer to God? Was your name smeared when you were given an estate on Radonis? Her aim was to try to get him to loose face by turning away from the appointment because they are Amatar lands. She believed that because the amatar are not of amarr ancetry that Lord Yonis would see the amatar as beneath him, and he would shun the appointment. Yonis is of greater fortitude of the faith than she realized.
That is lord's own bizarre fantasies.
Empress Sarum saw a pious and energetic upholder of amarr ideals in Lord Yonis and gave this task to him, because she knew that he would not fail. |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
586
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Posted - 2016.10.01 21:45:13 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Starving people seldom have much time to spend in contemplation of scripture. The first duty of every state head is to the prosperity of her polity - without that, nothing else can be accomplished and with it, everything else is possible. Untrue Pieter. I wonder now if you ever truly have been starving. I am sure that you may have had training where you were forced to go hungry but I know you must have trusted in your State then and never truly been in danger.
When the sugar and alcohol smell of starvation finds you unable to move, when a sip of water is painful, when there is nothing but euphoria left and the pain is long gone leaving only peace and bliss, god finds you. You think of your life and who you are, what you have become, what it means and how it works. The closer death comes the more you can feel him Pieter.
Missions 42:5 is not just a clever turn of phrase, it is a fundamental truth about the human body under extreme stress. It is more than an appeal for rich men to simplify their lives, it is a kernel of wisdom as old as hardship itself. "There are no atheists in foxholes," is another phrase that means in the end the same thing. A sort of reflection of that truth cast in troubled waters where the scripture is cast on clear mirrored glass.
In trying to argue that the people of the Empire go hungry, as you often love to imply about the Republic as well, you have forgotten that far more go hungry in your State.
Starvation is not painful. God does find you when everything is taken from you.
"Though dissuaded, I came. Though perilous, I served. Though beset, I persevered. Though denied, I believed."
- The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria 12:18
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1618
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Posted - 2016.10.02 01:01:59 -
[29] - Quote
Ayallah wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Starving people seldom have much time to spend in contemplation of scripture. The first duty of every state head is to the prosperity of her polity - without that, nothing else can be accomplished and with it, everything else is possible. Untrue Pieter. I wonder now if you ever truly have been starving. I am sure that you may have had training where you were forced to go hungry but I know you must have trusted in your State then and never truly been in danger. When the sugar and alcohol smell of starvation finds you unable to move, when a sip of water is painful, when there is nothing but euphoria left and the pain is long gone leaving only peace and bliss, god finds you. You think of your life and who you are, what you have become, what it means and how it works. The closer death comes the more you can feel him Pieter. Missions 42:5 is not just a clever turn of phrase, it is a fundamental truth about the human body under extreme stress. It is more than an appeal for rich men to simplify their lives, it is a kernel of wisdom as old as hardship itself. "There are no atheists in foxholes," is another phrase that means in the end the same thing. A sort of reflection of that truth cast in troubled waters where the scripture is cast on clear mirrored glass. In trying to argue that the people of the Empire go hungry, as you often love to imply about the Republic as well, you have forgotten that far more go hungry in your State. Starvation is not painful. God does find you when everything is taken from you.
Just go to Skarkon and stay in Sahaal for a year. That place is ample demonstration on what destitution can do to a person's spirit.
Everywhere you go it is always the same. Deprived of food, water and shelter for prolonged periods of time, and they will start considering robbing someone else of everything they have a valid way to survive for another week. Happens anywhere that is stricken with poverty and a chronic lack of life-preserving supplies.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2431
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Posted - 2016.10.02 02:33:44 -
[30] - Quote
Don't bother, man. Remember, Ayallah knows everything. Just ask her. |
Letizzia Omanid
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2016.10.02 16:11:13 -
[31] - Quote
SoulLess Zealot wrote:Letizzia Omanid wrote:You claim to look to the 'true essence' of faith, and yet you have chosen one of the most blasphemous call signs imaginable. I simply will not repeat it.
The entire tone of your letter and in particular your closing statement is quite shocking. A holder you may be, but you are in no position to question the Lord, or Her Holiness on any subject.
I'm confident my words will fall on deaf ears to one who has strayed so far from the Lord. I do however hope you are truly 'ever vigilant' and can someday find your path to God. It seems you only serve to further my point of a blinded empire.You can't shade her words in anything other than greed, so you seek to dismiss me based on my chosen name; the allusion of which seems to far removed to ever be in your reach. I am not questioning the lord as the lords work is never done, I cant smile through my dismay however.[quote]
You are questioning the Lord.
Her Holiness was selected when her champion Lord Darklight was victorious. To question her selection questions the Lord's judgment in the matter.
Faith requires hardship. Serving the Lord requires the faithful to accept things we may not understand. Just because the heir you wanted to rule wasn't selected, doesn't mean Her Holiness is unfit.
The Lord doesn't make mistakes. We just fail to understand his choices.
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Letizzia Omanid
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2016.10.02 16:26:17 -
[32] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:Letizzia Omanid wrote:You claim to look to the 'true essence' of faith, and yet you have chosen one of the most blasphemous call signs imaginable. I simply will not repeat it. It is hardly blasphemous. As clones, there is the likelihood that all of us are soulless.[quote]
You truly believe you are nothing more than a bit of animated biology?
It seems we have very different understandings of what constitutes a soul.
The soul isn't some vestigial organ left behind in the process of a clone jump. The soul is a spiritual link with the Lord. It's a vital part of the essence of all peoples. It's no more lost than your consciousness is when changing the biological vessel it resides in.
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2434
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Posted - 2016.10.02 16:27:06 -
[33] - Quote
Letizzia Omanid wrote:You are questioning the Lord.
Her Holiness was selected when her champion Lord Darklight was victorious. To question her selection questions the Lord's judgment in the matter.
Faith requires hardship. Serving the Lord requires the faithful to accept things we may not understand. Just because the heir you wanted to rule wasn't selected, doesn't mean Her Holiness is unfit.
The Lord doesn't make mistakes. We just fail to understand his choices.
Actually, a question on that...
A friend of mine who's very devout has told me many times that while the Amarr are tasked with bringing the entire cluster to God, their success is not pre-ordainedGÇöthat they can fail to carry out God's Will.
If that's the case, isn't it possible that the capsuleers of the Succession Trials could also fail to carry out God's Will, putting someone on the throne he didn't select?
Obviously, the intent of things is that God will make his will known through whoever is on the throne, but that still doesn't guarantee he gets his first choice, does it? I mean, if the Amarr can fail at the task God demands of them, then God's will can be thwarted when humans are relied on to carry it out. If God's will can be thwarted when humans are involved, then... any time humans are involved, isn't it impossible to actually know that God's will has been done, and not just 'well, God will make it work anyway'?
I'm not asking to be a pain in the ass, or **** anyone off, it's a sincere question. |
Samira Kernher
2813
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Posted - 2016.10.02 18:30:38 -
[34] - Quote
Letizzia Omanid wrote:You truly believe you are nothing more than a bit of animated biology?
It seems we have very different understandings of what constitutes a soul.
The soul isn't some vestigial organ left behind in the process of a clone jump. The soul is a spiritual link with the Lord. It's a vital part of the essence of all peoples. It's no more lost than your consciousness is when changing the biological vessel it resides in.
Your consciousness is lost. We are clones, and a clone is a copy. We can create a hundred simultaneous models of ourselves, yet which is supposed to have "our" consciousness? Well, they all have a consciousness, certainly. A copy modeled after the original.
Our cloning is a rigorous scientific procedure like any other. A scan is made of your brain's neural map. Your being, your consciousness, is diluted into its most simple measure: a series of 1s and 0s that make up you. And that information alone is communicated (communicated!) through flipping the quantum state of entangled particles to a cloning center, where it can then be used to create a new brain, programmed according to the exact specifications of that neural blueprint.
Where, in that process, does this technology actually take hold of the soul? Does your copy serve as some divine beacon, luring the soul back to it from across space and time? What happens when you make multiple copies of yourself? At best, your new body has its own, new soul. Presuming that growing a person in a lab from reprocessed matter can actually produce a soul, seeing as we are not God. But say we do. Why should God accept this fabrication, this artificial byproduct of humanity's hubris? The gates of Heaven open only once, and the Lord forever forsakes the one who turns from the Light--what else do you think that attempting to escape God's judgment with a clone is?
There is a reason the nature of the soul and the clone is still heavily debated in theological circles. The nature of what we are, and if we can still call ourselves creatures worthy of God's love, is a terrifying question that we have no answer to.
Letizzia Omanid wrote:The Lord doesn't make mistakes. We just fail to under His choices.
The Lord doesn't make mistakes, but we do. It is a common excuse made by people in their failure to claim that the future was set in stone from the beginning, that their loss happened because God willed it. To save themselves from doubt by believing they are doing God's work even at their worst. It was the excuse made at Vak'atioth, it was the excuse made during the secessions of Khanid and the Minmatar, it's the excuse made by those champions who failed their heirs.
God commands us to prove our worthiness to him. That is the nature of the Trials. The winner is the one that has proven themselves. I am Minmatar. I forever carry the mark of the failures of my ancestors. They were not cast from God's sight because it was part of the plan, they failed Him and were punished for it. And God did not choose the Amarr as His Chosen by chance, He chose them because they lived righteously and in fear of Him. The original Amarr were no more destined to become True than the Minmatar were destined to fall. They each made their bed, just as our heirs do today. We're all given a mission, and that mission is to defeat the enemies without and the demons within and to Reclaim all that He has given. Our success in that mission isn't guaranteed, and we are stronger as a people when we accept that we always can, and must, do better.
We lost Vak'atioth, not because it was planned, but because we failed. We lost half our empire to rebellions because we failed. We were lead by a Sani Sabik heretic during the interregnum for years because we failed. Her Imperial Majesty, long may she reign, was not destined to win. Her team proved their worth, and she was chosen because of their success in battle (though one wonders why our recent succession trials have taken to proving the worth of the heir through capsuleer surrogates, for in faith before God and pursuit of the Reclaiming Lord Yonis was equaled by none). Her Imperial Majesty's reign will be marked by victory or defeat, according to the choices that she makes, and that we make, in the years to come, for even those who are True must always work to prove themselves before God, as Prophet Anoyia said. May Catiz I rule well. |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
323
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Posted - 2016.10.02 18:51:05 -
[35] - Quote
Letizzia Omanid wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Letizzia Omanid wrote:You claim to look to the 'true essence' of faith, and yet you have chosen one of the most blasphemous call signs imaginable. I simply will not repeat it. It is hardly blasphemous. As clones, there is the likelihood that all of us are soulless.[quote] You truly believe you are nothing more than a bit of animated biology? It seems we have very different understandings of what constitutes a soul. The soul isn't some vestigial organ left behind in the process of a clone jump. The soul is a spiritual link with the Lord. It's a vital part of the essence of all peoples. It's no more lost than your consciousness is when changing the biological vessel it resides in.
Ms Kernher does have a point and question about clone souls or lack thereof is a highly debated topic across the Empire. If memory serves me right one of the pro arguments against clone souls is passage 5:14 Book of Missions. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
2280
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Posted - 2016.10.02 21:35:40 -
[36] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Starving people seldom have much time to spend in contemplation of scripture. The first duty of every state head is to the prosperity of her polity - without that, nothing else can be accomplished and with it, everything else is possible.
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. In the hierarchy of human needs the very basics include food, water, shelter and some semblance of security. All other aspects of civilization are based on people having these needs fulfilled.
No one I've ever pulled from a drifting cargo container or liberated from some deadspace facility has asked me to return them so that they could contemplate their spiritual salvation. They asked for food, shelter, medical care and/or safe transport.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Noticed.
1985
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Posted - 2016.10.03 01:06:52 -
[37] - Quote
Ayallah wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Starving people seldom have much time to spend in contemplation of scripture. The first duty of every state head is to the prosperity of her polity - without that, nothing else can be accomplished and with it, everything else is possible. Untrue Pieter. I wonder now if you ever truly have been starving. I am sure that you may have had training where you were forced to go hungry but I know you must have trusted in your State then and never truly been in danger.
The point of most training in the State where hunger or starvation is an issue, such as infantry behind-lines escape and evasion, is the reduction of hunger and starvation as much as possible. This is because it is well known that even a minor reduction of blood salts from food or rations; combined with dehydration can have a deleterious effect on combat performance due to increased fatigue; impaired mental functions; a decrease in cardiovascular and muscular function; and a higher risk of death due to environmental factors such as heat or cold.
It is thus the responsibility and duty of any Caldari warfighter to prevent these symptoms in themselves and their unit partners by ensuring a regular fluid intake and calorie consumption through proper rationing or on-site procurement of water and food as outlined in their relevant Health & Safety; Food and Water Preparation; Local Environment Survival, Escape & Evasion guides. Which all can be made available on request either in hardcopy or in digital format to a Company HQ Commissar-Leutnant or above, if not already enforced at a section or platoon level by the Commissar-Corporal and Commissar-Sargeant.
Whilst the Amarr Empire may find benefit in their armed forces expressing and experiencing their faith in the hallucinatory state of extreme starvation and dehydration, you are quite correct that in the State it would be considered a medical emergency requiring treatment just like any other injury to a warfighter. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
6465
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Posted - 2016.10.03 06:11:11 -
[38] - Quote
I have never starved. The closest would be the weeks I spent trapped in a crippled Caracal.
The "insights" I gained from the experience required extensive therapy to banish.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
592
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Posted - 2016.10.05 14:43:44 -
[39] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Just go to Skarkon and stay in Sahaal for a year. That place is ample demonstration on what destitution can do to a person's spirit.
Everywhere you go it is always the same. Deprived of food, water and shelter for prolonged periods of time, and they will start considering robbing someone else of everything they have a valid way to survive for another week. Happens anywhere that is stricken with poverty and a chronic lack of life-preserving supplies.
Poverty and hardship is not the same as the reactions of a body when it is shutting down due to extreme environmental stress. People dying of hypothermia feel warm for example. Poor and deprived people like those of Skarkon are an example in the Empire of why generational slavery is a good idea, people left to rot and waste away. There is a difference between a forged blade and one rusting.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:. . .This is because it is well known that even a minor reduction of blood salts from food or rations; combined with dehydration can have a deleterious effect on combat performance due to increased fatigue; impaired mental functions; a decrease in cardiovascular and muscular function; and a higher risk of death due to environmental factors such as heat or cold.
. . .Whilst the Amarr Empire may find benefit in their armed forces expressing and experiencing their faith in the hallucinatory state of extreme starvation and dehydration, you are quite correct that in the State it would be considered a medical emergency requiring treatment just like any other injury to a warfighter. You are correct as to the effects of exposure, it certainly can ruin developmental potential. Extreme starvation and exposure is not really something that can be learned from to the benefit of soldiering, as far as I know it is not a part of normal training regimes in the Empire. I am doubtful that it is much different than the State's own exercises with similar training goals.
"Though dissuaded, I came. Though perilous, I served. Though beset, I persevered. Though denied, I believed."
- The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria 12:18
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DJ puar
Covert Economics
Mordus Angels
0
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Posted - 2016.10.05 23:32:44 -
[40] - Quote
Her empire will burn |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1637
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Posted - 2016.10.06 03:40:43 -
[41] - Quote
Ayallah wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Just go to Skarkon and stay in Sahaal for a year. That place is ample demonstration on what destitution can do to a person's spirit.
Everywhere you go it is always the same. Deprived of food, water and shelter for prolonged periods of time, and they will start considering robbing someone else of everything they have a valid way to survive for another week. Happens anywhere that is stricken with poverty and a chronic lack of life-preserving supplies. Poverty and hardship is not the same as the reactions of a body when it is shutting down due to extreme environmental stress. People dying of hypothermia feel warm for example. Poor and deprived people like those of Skarkon are an example in the Empire of why generational slavery is a good idea, people left to rot and waste away. There is a difference between a forged blade and one rusting.
Hardship and starvation do not always come hand in hand. Hardship is when you are forced to toil to actually feed yourself. Us Sebiestor are very familiar with this (I need not remind you that my ancestry originates from the frozen mountains and steppes, where daylight is short for half the year and the soil is terrible for farming purposes). However, said toil can only help to alleviate the hunger only as far as there is actually something to gain from the toil. If there is nothing to acquire from all the toil, then you starve and you will revert back to the animal instinct of survival by any cost, even if the cost is too heinous to contemplate when the stomach actually has something substantial in it, there's a leaky roof above and the chill hasn't yet start stripping flesh from the bone.
There is a major difference between rationing your food as a military person and scrapping around for half-a-bread as a destitute. Both is hardship, but one has resources still and the other doesn't. One allows for survival, the other does not. One can still endure, the other will break.
Don't even argue that generational slavery is a good idea. If the Holder in question is stuck in the boonies on a world that hasn't yet achieved self-sufficiency due to its less than ideal geography and sandwiched between powerful competing rivals, money will not flow into his coffers, required yet unavailable supplies will not be purchased and his slaves will starve (wouldn't even be surprised if the Holder has to cut it lean personally) and none of them are going to be finding spiritual enlightenment any time soon (more likely they are just going to find death first). This is even more likely if said Holder got the raw deal and was granted off-world assets out in the lowsec regions. Don't deny this hasn't happened before.
He better damn well hope that he could get his message to the relevant person, possibly the Empress, through the red tape the Empire is known for and get some help before everyone starts lying around on the field or start attacking his guards and possibly even himself for what little gold he still has on his robes and what meager bread still lies in his plate, or drop limp like desiccated husks.
I haven't even mentioned the Holders who actually do abuse their slaves way out of sight either. Do you think their slaves will find any kind of spiritual enlightenment when they are so deprived of basic needs and wracked with physical abuse? This is hardship exceeding tolerance, where survival, yet alone living, is a slim prospect. These people are even more likely to start baring their fangs and tear into others like animals. If they can't rake at the ones responsible for their destitution they turn against each other instead especially when their peer had chanced upon a small windfall.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Samira Kernher
2850
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Posted - 2016.10.06 03:47:57 -
[42] - Quote
It is when we are suffering that we need faith the most. People rarely have cause to call on God when their lives are at their best. It's when their lives are at their worst, when they're driven to their absolute limits, that they reach out to pray for the strength to carry on and endure their hardship. God gives you strength when you have none of your own left to draw on. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1637
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Posted - 2016.10.06 04:07:55 -
[43] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:It is when we are suffering that we need faith the most. People rarely have cause to call on God when their lives are at their best. It's when their lives are at their worst, when they're driven to their absolute limits, that they reach out to pray for the strength to carry on and endure their hardship. God gives you strength when you have none of your own left to draw on.
Us Egivands did not cry out to God when we crash landed on Skarkon, right out at the regolith regions at that, with our numbers reduced to half of its original population within three hours of our vessel being shot at and her crash-landing on said planet. We turn to each other and machine spirits instead and with cooperation, hard work, brutal yet necessary rationing scheme and rapid establishment of the foundation of survival (which costs us another half of our population due to hazardous environment and hostilities by the local bandits planetside), we scraped along and managed to stop merely surviving and start *living* by the turn of the year.
I never did grow out of the 'puny runt' phase from that, though. It was a very bad time to crawl out of my mother's womb. Then again, if I didn't, I might instead be bathed in radiation poisoning and come out with three arms or half a head or something.
However, as was mentioned, we had food to ration, and we did manage to restore power, get life support running again, some basic manufacturing infrastructure running and hydroponics up and supplied and producing food before we completely ran out. This came at the cost of at least 1,500 souls out of the estimated 2000 souls who had set out for the Great Wildlands. If we had retained those numbers, I am very sure we wouldn't have survived a season, especially considering at least 70% of the life-giving supplies meant to last us through the journey were destroyed after the crash.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Samira Kernher
2853
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Posted - 2016.10.06 04:36:26 -
[44] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Us Egivands did not cry out to God when we crash landed on Skarkon, right out at the regolith regions at that, with our numbers reduced to half of its original population within three hours of our vessel being shot at and her crash-landing on said planet. We turn to each other and machine spirits...
Okay. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1637
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Posted - 2016.10.06 05:03:28 -
[45] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Us Egivands did not cry out to God when we crash landed on Skarkon, right out at the regolith regions at that, with our numbers reduced to half of its original population within three hours of our vessel being shot at and her crash-landing on said planet. We turn to each other and machine spirits... Okay.
Nothing to do with sitting down and pray for salvation and actually get dirty. Machine spirits aren't obligated to actually help since they will survive, even if they end up breaking into their constituent physical components and therefore their constituent spirits of metals and organic materials. However, the breaking process is very traumatic, even to them, and outright lethal for the rest of us. By listening to these 'cries', we are able to find any damage or faults that aren't already apparent or detected by the diagnostic computers and get them patched up for as much as we are able in an emergency situation. However, these 'cries' are very difficult to distinguish from the background noise. The trick is sieving out all these noise to find out which are actual 'cries'. It makes for a poor engineer or technician to be unable to not identify these signs amongst the noise and get to action, just as it makes for a poor hunter to not be able to identify the subtle disturbances in the wilderness spirits in his immediate area when out on his expeditions.
Then there's the part of getting the spirits to work with us. Proper repairs sooth the pain. The chants sooth their very spirit and get them focused on their tasks, which is what we needed of them for our own survival.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Samira Kernher
2853
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Posted - 2016.10.06 05:48:30 -
[46] - Quote
That's a lot of words for, "Yes, we appealed to a being beyond ourselves for guidance in trying times, and doing so helped us overcome our hardships." |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1637
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Posted - 2016.10.06 06:31:12 -
[47] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:That's a lot of words for, "Yes, we appealed to a being beyond ourselves for guidance in trying times, and doing so helped us overcome our hardships."
More like 'beings already around us'.
You seem to think that the spirits are divine entities instead of living entities all around us.
Far as us Minmatar are concerned, everything is living. The universe is living, and is made out of constituents which are all every bit as living as each and every one of us. Listening to the machine spirit is more or less the same thing as 'running diagnostics', 'troubleshooting' and hearing that whine in the gears that need to be greased up. Communing with woodland spirits is more or less similar to finding tracks, looking for subtle disturbances, listening to the presence or absence of any living creature in the area and discerning their moods and what it means to us. Communing with the spirit of the plains is the same as listening to the running water and feeling the wind to discern the subtleties in them all and whether it's indicative of bad weather or if there's some kind of water fouling caused by something upstream.
Working with machine spirits is far less 'appealing' and more 'listening to cues and other signs to discern an anomaly, then do something about it'. It's not any different than listening to someone screaming in pain and bring a medical tool to find out what's wrong with them. Using the example of my experience in the RMS, a barrage round slamming into portside has knocked the launchers out of alignment and we must fix the launchers to get it working again. Diagnostics will be run to ensure find any non-obvious damage in circuitry, hydraulics and etc while the rest of us perform physical inspection. While doing physical inspection, we open our senses to be more receptive to the pain of the machine spirit inhabiting the launchers, the loaders, the conveyors and etc. We look for obvious damages and not-so-obvious cues. A slight change in how the machine usually whines, a faint odour that indicates a leak or damaged live warheads, etc etc. Then we find the source of all these and fix them. At the same time, we will chant to sooth the machine's pain so that the machine spirt may refocus to the task at hand undistracted from the lessened or subsided pain.
This is what communing with a machine spirit is like.
To really understand how our spirituality works, you must dispel the notion that there is hierarchy in existence and understand that the very silverware you are using is living.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
766
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Posted - 2016.10.06 06:40:11 -
[48] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:To really understand how our spirituality works, you must dispel the notion that there is hierarchy in existence and understand that the very silverware you are using is living.
Then it should have the decency to be tasty food too.
"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1637
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Posted - 2016.10.06 06:41:59 -
[49] - Quote
Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:To really understand how our spirituality works, you must dispel the notion that there is hierarchy in existence and understand that the very silverware you are using is living. Then it should have the decency to be tasty food too.
Kresh is living. Will you eat it? Just because you can try to eat something doesn't always mean you should. I am very sure with great effort and augmented teeth and jaw, you can also eat the silverware. Not sure why you want to but there's that option.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Samira Kernher
2853
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Posted - 2016.10.06 06:47:43 -
[50] - Quote
You don't have to explain minmatar spirituality to me. I was taught by my clan's shamans when I was living in the Republic.
I don't see divine entities and living entities as separate. All things have a divine soul. That is its spirit. And you do appeal to it, when you leave out offerings, enter a trance to try and communicate with it, to placate it when it's angry and to honor it to feed and keep it healthy.
It is spirituality. It is believing in things greater than just what we can see, and using that understanding to help us better live our lives. If there is any difference, it is that in praying to God one asks for strength for yourself, while giving offers to a spirit is done to give strength to the spirit so that it will be more willing to help you. In either case, it is when we are at our worst that we need the help of others. You pray to God so that you can endure or you pray to the spirit of a machine, or the weather, or a crop, to work without fail. You are still praying for help in a time of need. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1637
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Posted - 2016.10.06 06:56:19 -
[51] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:You don't have to explain minmatar spirituality to me. I was taught by my clan's shamans when I was living in the Republic.
I don't see divine entities and living entities as separate. All things have a divine soul. That is its spirit. And you do appeal to it, when you leave out offerings, enter a trance to try and communicate with it, to placate it when it's angry and to honor it to feed and keep it healthy.
It is spirituality. It is believing in things greater than just what we can see, and using that understanding to help us better live our lives. If there is any difference, it is that in praying to God one asks for strength for yourself, while giving offers to a spirit is done to give strength to the spirit so that it will be more willing to help you. In either case, it is when we are at our worst that we need the help of others. You pray to God so that you can endure or you pray to the spirit of a machine, or the weather, or a crop, to work without fail. You are still praying.
The biggest difference is that we see spirits as entities whom we and work and cooperate with as though they are another person with their own needs, wants and priorities. What you call 'praying', we call 'communing', trying to understand what the spirits are trying to communicate to us and try to communicate back and see if we can solicit help, offer help or work together. There is no bread in the fields here. We want something from the spirits, then we must do what we always do with another person. Make an offer. Provide assistance, get into negotiating grounds and work with one another.
Exactly like trying to get a requisition form through the quartermaster, if said quartermaster isn't human and doesn't communicate or act or behave the same way humans do.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
6518
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Posted - 2016.10.06 23:24:39 -
[52] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:To really understand how our spirituality works, you must dispel the notion that there is hierarchy in existence and understand that the very silverware you are using is living. Then it should have the decency to be tasty food too. Kresh is living. Will you eat it?.
Yes.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1639
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Posted - 2016.10.10 03:17:12 -
[53] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:To really understand how our spirituality works, you must dispel the notion that there is hierarchy in existence and understand that the very silverware you are using is living. Then it should have the decency to be tasty food too. Kresh is living. Will you eat it?. Yes.
You are Caldari! Don't answer!
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2877
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Posted - 2016.10.10 23:02:28 -
[54] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:To really understand how our spirituality works, you must dispel the notion that there is hierarchy in existence and understand that the very silverware you are using is living. Then it should have the decency to be tasty food too. Kresh is living. Will you eat it?. Yes.
Please don't eat trees, Tuulinen-haan!...
Leave it for goats like gallenteans. They will at least die from them...
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2124
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Posted - 2016.10.11 02:52:21 -
[55] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Ibrahim Tash-Murkon wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:To really understand how our spirituality works, you must dispel the notion that there is hierarchy in existence and understand that the very silverware you are using is living. Then it should have the decency to be tasty food too. Kresh is living. Will you eat it?. Yes. Please don't eat trees, Tuulinen-haan!... Leave it for goats like gallenteans. They will at least die from them...
You seem to be under the misguided assumption that Gallente do not have a well developed immune system. This is false. The sheer amount of toxins we ingest daily has rendered us almost immune to all but the most deadly substances. I, for example, have spent years developing an immunity to Iocane powder. Do drugs kids.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1657
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Posted - 2016.10.11 03:00:16 -
[56] - Quote
Claudia Osyn wrote:
You seem to be under the misguided assumption that Gallente do not have a well developed immune system. This is false. The sheer amount of toxins we ingest daily has rendered us almost immune to all but the most deadly substances. I, for example, have spent years developing an immunity to Iocane powder. Do drugs kids.
But can you eat Kresh leaves and survive the attempt?
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2124
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Posted - 2016.10.11 03:04:27 -
[57] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:
You seem to be under the misguided assumption that Gallente do not have a well developed immune system. This is false. The sheer amount of toxins we ingest daily has rendered us almost immune to all but the most deadly substances. I, for example, have spent years developing an immunity to Iocane powder. Do drugs kids.
But can you eat Kresh leaves and survive the attempt?
Don't know. Never tried. They don't look like they would make a good salad though. Are they a good high?
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
1657
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Posted - 2016.10.11 03:11:59 -
[58] - Quote
Claudia Osyn wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:
You seem to be under the misguided assumption that Gallente do not have a well developed immune system. This is false. The sheer amount of toxins we ingest daily has rendered us almost immune to all but the most deadly substances. I, for example, have spent years developing an immunity to Iocane powder. Do drugs kids.
But can you eat Kresh leaves and survive the attempt? Don't know. Never tried. They don't look like they would make a good salad though. Are they a good high?
It's what's used in the Tea-Maker Ceremony.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2124
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Posted - 2016.10.11 03:35:34 -
[59] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:
You seem to be under the misguided assumption that Gallente do not have a well developed immune system. This is false. The sheer amount of toxins we ingest daily has rendered us almost immune to all but the most deadly substances. I, for example, have spent years developing an immunity to Iocane powder. Do drugs kids.
But can you eat Kresh leaves and survive the attempt? Don't know. Never tried. They don't look like they would make a good salad though. Are they a good high? It's what's used in the Tea-Maker Ceremony.
Hmmmm. I'd have to back up my clone first....
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Mitara Newelle
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
500
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Posted - 2016.10.11 16:00:31 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Do drugs kids.
Strike Command Kim, I believe this is a good place to interject your maxim.
Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Indira Harashani
Tyrathlion Interstellar
Rote Kapelle
123
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Posted - 2016.10.11 18:57:23 -
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Mitara Newelle wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Do drugs kids. Strike Command Kim, I believe this is a good place to interject your maxim.
Lady Newelle, I feel obligated to point out that, in context, Miss Osyn was likely being sarcastic after making a reference to a villain's line in a holoreel that has acquired a bit of a cult following over the years, largely because of how it mocks a number of tropes in some genres of fiction.
I watched it with my daughter Fera and her children once. It was... amusing. My grandchildren found it far more entertaining than either I or my daughter did, however.
Lady Indira Harashani
Holder of the Kheryskova Archipelago, Kihtaled IV
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2878
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Posted - 2016.10.12 16:42:38 -
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Mitara Newelle wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Do drugs kids. Strike Command Kim, I believe this is a good place to interject your maxim.
Gallentean culture, or more like, absence of culture, their disregard to dignity of humankind, forced egalitarianism, praise of individualism and detachment of persons from society, affinity to criminal behavior through their freedom worshipping and of course unmasked hedonism is a threat to all civilized life in our cluster. We must not allow our children to be exposed to gallentean propaganda, unless they will be educated properly and will learn the facts so they can make their own judgement of what they see without taking gallentean words as truth.
The gallentean tactics is though quite disturbing and damaging, since they try to spread their propaganda everywhere. They just keep repeating it over and over and over again, so even educated people might fall on it only from the sheer amount of repeating.
And Osyn is one of such examples - now advocating even illegal and dangerous substances for minors. Such behavior must not stand.
And this is another reason why the Federation must be destroyed.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2125
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Posted - 2016.10.13 15:26:13 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Mitara Newelle wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Do drugs kids. Strike Command Kim, I believe this is a good place to interject your maxim. Gallentean culture, or more like, absence of culture, their disregard to dignity of humankind, forced egalitarianism, praise of individualism and detachment of persons from society, affinity to criminal behavior through their freedom worshipping and of course unmasked hedonism is a threat to all civilized life in our cluster. We must not allow our children to be exposed to gallentean propaganda, unless they will be educated properly and will learn the facts so they can make their own judgement of what they see without taking gallentean words as truth. The gallentean tactics is though quite disturbing and damaging, since they try to spread their propaganda everywhere. They just keep repeating it over and over and over again, so even educated people might fall on it only from the sheer amount of repeating. And Osyn is one of such examples - now advocating even illegal and dangerous substances for minors. Such behavior must not stand. And this is another reason why the Federation must be destroyed.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
184
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Posted - 2016.10.14 04:07:39 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Mitara Newelle wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Do drugs kids. Strike Command Kim, I believe this is a good place to interject your maxim. Gallentean culture, or more like, absence of culture, their disregard to dignity of humankind, forced egalitarianism, praise of individualism and detachment of persons from society, affinity to criminal behavior through their freedom worshipping and of course unmasked hedonism is a threat to all civilized life in our cluster. We must not allow our children to be exposed to gallentean propaganda, unless they will be educated properly and will learn the facts so they can make their own judgement of what they see without taking gallentean words as truth. The gallentean tactics is though quite disturbing and damaging, since they try to spread their propaganda everywhere. They just keep repeating it over and over and over again, so even educated people might fall on it only from the sheer amount of repeating. And Osyn is one of such examples - now advocating even illegal and dangerous substances for minors. Such behavior must not stand. And this is another reason why the Federation must be destroyed.
Claudia Osyn wrote:Do drugs kids.
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