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virm pasuul
The Congregation
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Posted - 2016.10.17 15:42:30 -
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Was there are "What would you like from a new market tool?" post before doing all this?
If you ask us we will tell you what we like and don't like, and what we would like. Save us all a lot of time, effort, and tears.
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K Raz
Lone Star Warriors
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.19 09:51:04 -
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Currently kicking myself for not having checked this out on sisi before it went live.
As of now, I can't use the market graph for 75% of the stuff i do, so the table is what i have to deal with.
- Negative values - Wat? I understand the baseline idea, but i want to visibly see where 0 is, the the negative values are just, well, silly.
- Slider lacks some key functionality. Default is 30 days, but the graph is still influenced by pricespikes 340 days ago making it flat with no functionality. Only the data within the slider should influence the visible graph scaling.
- Arbitrary left side number. I can deal with those, but i can't deal with them when i do a mouse hover. knowing that an item is at 0.19 billion isn't enough, granularity is needed. otherwise it's useless.
- Slider resets, it needs to remember what timescale i had selected when selecting a new item.
- Colours, it's a subjective thing, i don't mind them, but judging from other replies some costumization would be great.
It looks great, but it's totally useless.
To some of the other capsuleers in this thread, remember to get on testserver and give feedback, it's easier than ever, and the devs are very open to feedback before it goes live. |
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CCP Antiquarian
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.19 13:10:53 -
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Update:
The slider now adjusts for all items. The default start range is still the last 30 days, but once you extend/reposition it, the graphs for all items will reflect that selection.
The current day is displayed on the graph.
"Singularity pilots are helpful pilots."
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The Economist
Logically Consistent
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Posted - 2016.10.19 14:41:19 -
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A lot of issues already detailed here.
The two things driving me nuts the most about it:
1. Scrolling/re-centering both being done by the mouse-wheel. It's just plain bad. Centering the info should be a click and drag affair, zooming alone with the mouse wheel would be ok...a shift-click and drag option could also be nice......or just a nice slider.
2. Y axis scale.
It's horrible and in a lot of cases utterly uninformative. For example: I search for an item that commonly sells for between 120 and 140mil. The y axis says 0.12, 0.13 and 0.14b....not a wonderful start but ok. I zoom in to get more specific pricing information thinking the y axis values would get more specific. After picking a spot and zooming in to the point that all graph points are so spread out that nothing actually shows on my screen at all aside from a cyan field and some vertical lines.....and the y axis is just one long list of '0.12b'. Pretty useless but could still be salvageable I think.....then find that mousing-over the values displayed on the y-axis or the graph points themselves, does nothing in the first case and in the second only displays the same useless and abbreviated price value as the y-axis.
Am I being an idiot and missing something obvious or is this design idiotic? I can't work it out. |
Elange4
Nomad Technologies
Sublime Machinery Inc.
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Posted - 2016.10.20 03:07:15 -
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Thanks for the default time effort CCP Antiquarian and team...
I'd like to point out tho, a bug. If you visit an item that is new to the game, Like Blood Raider Accelerators, after you have set your default graph, it goes to the few days that has been listed, and defaults to it every time in every search afterwards.
In this case for Instance, I went to Improved Blue Pill and it only shows two days from about a year ago, without having to reset the graph all over again, and set it back to the recent period too, not only my pre-Blood Raider search parameters of 100 days. |
Fanfin Malukker
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.10.20 18:56:22 -
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Elange4 wrote:Thanks for the default time effort CCP Antiquarian and team...
I'd like to point out tho, a bug. If you visit an item that is new to the game, Like Blood Raider Accelerators, after you have set your default graph, it goes to the few days that has been listed, and defaults to it every time in every search afterwards.
In this case for Instance, I went to Improved Blue Pill and it only shows two days from about a year ago, without having to reset the graph all over again, and set it back to the recent period too, not only my pre-Blood Raider search parameters of 100 days.
I was just about to report exactly the same thing!
(And it was even worse a day or so ago, when there was zero history for some of those items!)
Fanfin. |
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CCP Antiquarian
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.21 13:02:04 -
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Elange/Fanfin,
Would one of you F12 and bug report that issue with screen grabs of the graph and the region you are in? (logs will also automatically attach, which is beneficial).
I've got a graphic programmer working on the more egregious issues and optimizing graph performance overall and it helps to provide very specific information to get a fix.
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Uther Moldune
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2016.10.21 13:12:10 -
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Could we please have a way to set the Y-Axis upper and lower bounds? There are some cases where some Yahoo bought an item for WAY more than it is ever worth and this throws off the entire graph. If an item sells between 18m and 30mil I don't seem to have a way to set that as my upper and lower bounds because the outlier has thrown off the scale and the graph is flat and unreadable no matter how much scrolling I do with the mouse wheel. |
Black Romero
Aviation Professionals for EVE
The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.23 04:09:49 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:Update:
The slider now adjusts for all items. The default start range is still the last 30 days, but once you extend/reposition it, the graphs for all items will reflect that selection.
The current day is displayed on the graph.
THANK YOU |
Elange4
Nomad Technologies
Sublime Machinery Inc.
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Posted - 2016.10.25 08:55:45 -
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Antiquarian, so you still need a screenshot? I must admit I just logged on now for the first time in three days - Civilization VI has taken ALL of my attention, but I just finished my first game :)
I'll try and replicate it in any case now and see if I can send a bug report if I can...
-- Elange
Update: it still functioned as reported in my previous thread, so I F12'd and screenshotted a bug report for you Antiquarian, with your name in the Title... |
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CCP Antiquarian
C C P
C C P Alliance
200
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Posted - 2016.10.25 10:14:54 -
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Thanks, Elange4! I'll take a look today.
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Sky Marshal
Core Industry.
Circle-Of-Two
140
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Posted - 2016.10.29 15:55:06 -
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Hello,
After few weeks, I must say that this new iteration is not as great that I thought. In fact, it is less practical and confusing.
First, as previous posters said, the negative ISK part of the axis is useless and should be removed. But more importantly, I have hard time to use it properly because of the way the graphs are displayed. An exemple with this screenshot of an officer item (Core X-Type Armor Thermal Hardener)
http://imgur.com/DgBXGmQ
At left, it is what the game show, without any modification apart the timeframe and date. On first spot, the main graph gives the impression that this item don't have any real fluctuations of price, but I can see that it is contradictory with the second graph below and with the ISK axis. Still, the first impression is that the price is going down SLOWLY because the game included the anomaly of 2016-01-21 (420 M).
After zooming a few, and so removing the influence of the anomaly, I get what the game SHOULD show me in the first place. Obviously, I won't have the same analysis than before. Yes, the price is going down but there are many severe price fluctuations and so I have to adapt from them (or take advantage of, whatever).
The right exemple is useful, the left one is useless. And this is only one exemple, there are many situations like this all the time and so I begin to avoid using the market graph because the displayed informations are confusing.
You need to make sure that the player get something closer of the right exemple. |
Soltys
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2016.10.30 09:14:51 -
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So are any (and which ones) of the issues pointed out in this thread getting addressed (with target date of Ascension release in particular) ?
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CCP Antiquarian
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.30 18:14:26 -
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Hey Soltys,
In November users will see a Price History graph optimization/performance upgrade (present on Singularity right now), but no core changes to the feature.
I did manage to get a programmer to agree to tackle a number of the other pain points, though, so those changes are underway and should be rolling out with the release following Ascension provided things go as planned. We focused on the most common bug reports and indications of difficulty/confusion in use.
Some intended inclusions are:
- an option to automatically adjust the graph and volume bar heights to the maximums of the selected area
- the addition of clicking and panning within the graph
- an autofocus/reset zoom button
- More sensible y-axis labels
- deactivation of the display of negative numbers (user will still be able to pan/zoom and move the zero line to whatever height they like)
The changes listed should appear on the test server about a week after Ascension deploys to Tranquility. Please feel free to continue to comment in this thread once you've taken a look.
"Singularity pilots are helpful pilots."
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Mister Ripley
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
241
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Posted - 2016.10.31 17:08:27 -
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Can you please just make it not jump in the timeline like crazy and reset the timeframe all the time? |
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CCP Antiquarian
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.10.31 21:02:38 -
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Mister Ripley wrote:Can you please just make it not jump in the timeline like crazy and reset the timeframe all the time?
I don't understand your complaint, but yes. Unequivocally it will not jump crazily, and neither will it loop through infinite resets.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3978
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Posted - 2016.10.31 22:29:03 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:Mister Ripley wrote:Can you please just make it not jump in the timeline like crazy and reset the timeframe all the time? I don't understand your complaint, but yes. Unequivocally it will not jump crazily, and neither will it loop through infinite resets.
Not sure either, except: If I set the time-frame to 1 year, then switch to a different commodity, the time-frame resets to some shorter, default time. It does not stay on one year.
It would be handy if it remembered the time window I had set.
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Soltys
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2016.11.01 01:31:59 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:Hey Soltys,
- snip -
Fair enough, let's wait for the new iteration then.
For the record, any chance for the small things mentioned earlier ?
- Wallet & Corporate Wallet -> Transactions: LMB double click is not defined on those, it would be great (and logical) if it called market details simiarly to orders tab
- Orders: both buy (no action defined on LMB double click) and sell (calls 'buy' dialog) - it would make more sense if double click called 'modify order' dialog for own orders
- 'Mark corporation order': analogous to 'Mark my orders' but showing corporation orders (for members with 'trader' role) with e.g. lighter blue background; this would be amazing for any trader operating as a corporation with multiple traders intersecting the same hub.
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2016.11.01 05:46:14 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:Mister Ripley wrote:Can you please just make it not jump in the timeline like crazy and reset the timeframe all the time? I don't understand your complaint, but yes. Unequivocally it will not jump crazily, and neither will it loop through infinite resets.
That fix isn't mentioned in your list of inclusions, so are you sure that it will be fixed or are you just being sarcastic? |
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CCP Antiquarian
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.11.01 10:31:09 -
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Soltys - We are only touching the price history graph with this feature. The other stuff you mention would be more up Karkur's alley than ours, but I can mention this thread to her.
Bad Bobby - I wasn't being sarcastic, but also not entirely delicate in my response for which I apologize (not sarcastically). The behavior described by Mister Ripley and/or Vincent Athena isn't what's happening, so it won't be present. A pending defect that vaguely resembles the described effect (reproducible with items that have no price history or limited price history) will also not be present in the post-Ascension release.
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The Economist
Logically Consistent
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Posted - 2016.11.01 11:20:27 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:Hey Soltys, In November users will see a Price History graph optimization/performance upgrade (present on Singularity right now), but no core changes to the feature. I did manage to get a programmer to agree to tackle a number of the other pain points, though, so those changes are underway and should be rolling out with the release following Ascension provided things go as planned. We focused on the most common bug reports and indications of difficulty/confusion in use. Some intended inclusions are:
- an option to automatically adjust the graph and volume bar heights to the maximums of the selected area
- the addition of clicking and panning within the graph
- an autofocus/reset zoom button
- More sensible y-axis labels
- deactivation of the display of negative numbers (users will still be able to pan/zoom and move the zero line to whatever height they like)
The changes listed should appear on the test server about a week after Ascension deploys to Tranquility. Please feel free to continue to comment in this thread once you've taken a look.
Thank you! <3 |
Mister Ripley
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
241
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Posted - 2016.11.01 12:59:41 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:Soltys - We are only touching the price history graph with this feature. The other stuff you mention would be more up Karkur's alley than ours, but I can mention this thread to her.
Bad Bobby - I wasn't being sarcastic, but also not entirely compassionate in my response for which I apologize (not sarcastically). The behavior described by Mister Ripley and/or Vincent Athena isn't what's happening so it won't be present, but a pending defect that vaguely resembles the described effect (reproducible with items that have no price history or limited price history) will also not be present in the post-Ascension release.
I'm not sure if it's my lacking English skills or just bad wording, but I can't comprehend what you are saying. 
The behaviour we described is what is happening.
Do you mean the defect that causes the time frame to reset to default, when viewing an item with a shorter price history and the following behaviour of setting this default time frame somewhere in the middle of the available price history when viewing another item, will be fixed? |
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CCP Antiquarian
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.11.01 14:25:51 -
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Hey Mister Ripley,
Yes, the defect regarding items with no history/short histories will be fixed in the release following Ascension.
The interim work around continues to be manual readjustment of the focus slider after viewing an item with no price history.
Your English is fine, by the way. I was being a tad overly pedantic about the use of the idiomatic expressions "like crazy" and "all the time."
"Singularity pilots are helpful pilots."
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CCP Antiquarian
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.11.01 16:26:29 -
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Soltys! Karkur says:
"Post to the LT thread..."
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=275894
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Mister Ripley
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.11.01 18:13:39 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:Hey Mister Ripley,
Yes, the defect regarding items with no history/short histories will be fixed in the release following Ascension.
The interim work around continues to be manual readjustment of the focus slider after viewing an item with no price history.
Your English is fine, by the way. I was being a tad overly pedantic about the use of the idiomatic expressions "like crazy" and "all the time."
Thank you very much  |
Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
1552
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Posted - 2016.11.01 19:49:43 -
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CCP Antiquarian wrote:Bad Bobby - I wasn't being sarcastic, but also not entirely compassionate in my response for which I apologize (not sarcastically). The behavior described by Mister Ripley and/or Vincent Athena isn't what's happening so it won't be present, but a pending defect that vaguely resembles the described effect (reproducible with items that have no price history or limited price history) will also not be present in the post-Ascension release.
Good, I'm glad that is getting fixed.
I also appreciate your apology. But being unprofessional and apologizing for it, is not the same as not being unprofessional in the first place. Maybe a thread such as this one, where paying customers are complaining about your under performance, is not the correct venue for such behaviour? |
The Economist
Logically Consistent
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Posted - 2016.11.01 21:43:14 -
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Bad Bobby wrote:
I also appreciate your apology. But being unprofessional and apologizing for it, is not the same as not being unprofessional in the first place. Maybe a thread such as this one, where paying customers are complaining about your under performance, is not the correct venue for such behaviour?
Maybe it's also not the correct venue for passive aggressive pedantry.
..then again... |
Soltys
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
158
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Posted - 2016.11.01 21:56:59 -
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Oh noes, that thread is like ... /dev/null
But allright.
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CCP Antiquarian
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.11.01 22:02:02 -
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The Economist after my own heart!
Still I welcome all aggression, passive or otherwise. I hope all of us feel free to express ourselves here directly and frankly about current features and upcoming iteration. It's why the Technology and Research Center exists and I'm happy to have you all here commenting.
I will continue to update as information becomes available. I will also continue to do my best to encourage positive changes to the price history graph.
"Singularity pilots are helpful pilots."
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CCP Antiquarian
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2016.11.01 22:03:37 -
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Soltys, I'll also poke the QAs over there.
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