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Fergus Runkle Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:38:00 - [1] So from the patch notes "Decryptors now add to the max runs outcome of the blueprints as originally intended" Has anyone found out what this means ? I ran two jobs last night that have come out with the same ME/PE and number of runs as I was getting pre-patch. I always use the Assembly Instructions (best chance decryptor) so I don't see a change with that one at least.
Jags Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:37:00 - [2] What are all the decryptors called ? Cant seem to find them on the market (or im probably just being stupid)
Dominique Vasilkovsky Techmart Industries	Posted - 2007.03.21 13:12:00 - [3] Originally by: Jags What are all the decryptors called ? Cant seem to find them on the market (or im probably just being stupid) Probability ME PE Runs Amarr War Strategon 1.3x -3 2 4 Classic Doctrine 1.1x -2 5 1 Formation Layout 1.0x -1 3 0 Sacred Manifesto 0.8x 0 4 2 Circular Logic 0.4x -4 1 9 Caldari Installation Guide 1.3x -3 2 4 Prototype Diagram 1.1x -2 5 1 Tuning Instructions 1.0x -1 3 0 User Manual 0.8x 0 4 2 Alignment Chart 0.4x -4 1 9 Gallente Stolen Formulas 1.3x -3 2 4 Test Reports 1.1x -2 5 1 Collision Measurements 1.0x -1 3 0 Engagement Plan 0.8x 0 4 2 Symbiotic Figures 0.4x -4 1 9 Minmatar Assembly Instructions 1.3x -3 2 4 Advanced Theories 1.1x -2 5 1 Calibration Data 1.0x -1 3 0 Operation Handbook 0.8x 0 4 2 Circuitry Schematics 0.4x -4 1 9 Those numbers are from the rev 1.3 database but they seem to remain the same in 1.4.
Jags Minmatar M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.03.21 13:37:00 - [4] Superb , thanks
Christopher Dalran Gallente Deadly Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.22 18:36:00 - [5] I believe decryptors were not affecting the BPC as intended, i think that was all they changed from 1.3 to 1.4 in those regards. ------------------------------- C.D's Formula for success ------------------------------- Credit Card = Game Time Card Gametime Card = ISK Therefore Credit Card = ISK.
Easylivin	Posted - 2007.04.27 16:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Dominique Vasilkovsky Originally by: Jags What are all the decryptors called ? Cant seem to find them on the market (or im probably just being stupid) Probability ME PE Runs Amarr War Strategon 1.3x -3 2 4 Classic Doctrine 1.1x -2 5 1 Formation Layout 1.0x -1 3 0 Sacred Manifesto 0.8x 0 4 2 Circular Logic 0.4x -4 1 9 Caldari Installation Guide 1.3x -3 2 4 Prototype Diagram 1.1x -2 5 1 Tuning Instructions 1.0x -1 3 0 User Manual 0.8x 0 4 2 Alignment Chart 0.4x -4 1 9 Gallente Stolen Formulas 1.3x -3 2 4 Test Reports 1.1x -2 5 1 Collision Measurements 1.0x -1 3 0 Engagement Plan 0.8x 0 4 2 Symbiotic Figures 0.4x -4 1 9 Minmatar Assembly Instructions 1.3x -3 2 4 Advanced Theories 1.1x -2 5 1 Calibration Data 1.0x -1 3 0 Operation Handbook 0.8x 0 4 2 Circuitry Schematics 0.4x -4 1 9 Those numbers are from the rev 1.3 database but they seem to remain the same in 1.4. I got a bit other result ! Same runs different ME/PE: 1: Caracal BPC X 1 run . ME: 17, PE: 20 Base: 1 caracal Encryption: Interface Alignment Chart Resultat: Cerberus BPC X 4 ME: -8 PE: -3 success rate is low with his encryption thou.
Eamon Wouk	Posted - 2007.04.27 17:51:00 - [7] You got a 9 run Cerberus bpc because you used a 1 run Caracal bpc as input. I believe if you would have used a max run Caracal bpc you would get a 10 run Cerberus.
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2007.04.27 21:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Easylivin I got a bit other result ! 1: Caracal BPC X 1 run . ME: 17, PE: 20 Base: 1 caracal Encryption: Interface Alignment Chart Resultat: Cerberus BPC X 9 ME: -8 PE: -3 success rate is low with his encryption thou. This is correct. The standard result of invention is ME -4 and PE -4. The modifiers in the chart should be seen in relation to that. So for the one you used the result is: ME (-4)-4 = -8 and PE (-4)+1 = 3, which match your results. "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
Cannizza BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:51:00 - [9] Originally by: Eamon Wouk You got a 9 run Cerberus bpc because you used a 1 run Caracal bpc as input. I believe if you would have used a max run Caracal bpc you would get a 10 run Cerberus. That¦s not right. The base runs you recieve from a max run bpc is 5 runs plus the decryptors modifier.
Dominique Vasilkovsky Techmart Industries	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:56:00 - [10] Edited by: Dominique Vasilkovsky on 02/05/2007 19:53:05 Originally by: Cannizza Originally by: Eamon Wouk You got a 9 run Cerberus bpc because you used a 1 run Caracal bpc as input. I believe if you would have used a max run Caracal bpc you would get a 10 run Cerberus. That¦s not right. The base runs you recieve from a max run bpc is 5 runs plus the decryptors modifier. Base run for ships is 1 run and 10 run for modules. Best chance decryptor + 1 run ship bpc = 4 run T2 bpc. Best chance decryptor + max run ship bpc = 5 run T2 bpc. If you managed to get 5 runs without a decryptor, then you used a "half run" module bpc. Screw t3. I'm waiting for t20. Just like t2, but it's free. - xArmagedunx
William Alex Caldari Viscosity Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Cannizza Originally by: Eamon Wouk You got a 9 run Cerberus bpc because you used a 1 run Caracal bpc as input. I believe if you would have used a max run Caracal bpc you would get a 10 run Cerberus. That¦s not right. The base runs you recieve from a max run bpc is 5 runs plus the decryptors modifier. So much misinformation on the forums, I swear.... For Items its 10 (I think it might be 9) For Ships its 1 (It's all I do so I'm 100% on this) Then you take the base and add the decryptor modifier. I truely hope you guys aren't just trying to make numbers up to confuse new inventors. Originally by: G.W. Part of the facts is understanding we have a problem, and part of the facts is what you're going to do about it.
maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:18:00 - [12] Originally by: William Alex [ For Ships its 1 (It's all I do so I'm 100% on this) Actually, isn't it less than 1 and gets rounded up and everything above 1 is rounded down: Ie: you add a decryptor that adds 1 run, you'll still only get 1 run on the bpc? Thats what I heard any rate. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Yuleth Gix	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:51:00 - [13] Dominique Vasilkovsky described it accurately.
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2007.05.03 07:50:00 - [14] Edited by: Qual on 03/05/2007 07:47:11 Originally by: Yuleth Gix Dominique Vasilkovsky described it accurately. Well, nearly. It seems right until you try something like Mobile Large Warp Disruptor which has a base of 1. That shoots a hole in the simple version that links runs to the interface beeing used. (Modules, Rig or Ship) I offer this alternate version, that I have yet to find hole in, which give the same results as Dominigue describes yet also covers Mobile Large Warp Disruptors: Its all about the max number of possible runs on a T2 BPC of the item. For MaxNumberOfRunsT2BPC > 0 and MaxNumberOfRunsT2BPC < 100 its 1 run base For MaxNumberOfRunsT2BPC >= 100 its 10 runs base (It might change again at some level, 1000 beeing good guess, but I cant verify that atm as no T2 BPC i have seen yet has that high a max.) "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.05.03 17:47:00 - [15] Well i used max run bpc and the decryptor that gives more runs, and recieved a 10 run ishtar bpc. that help your formula's? Dom sounds pretty correct though tbh Sick of the waits with empire research slots? Use mine!
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2007.05.03 21:28:00 - [16] Edited by: Qual on 03/05/2007 21:25:40 Yes, it fits both formulas. As said Dom's formula IS correct for nearly all items, but there are at least one item NOT correct based on that. Thus there is something missing. My formula is very close if you look at the actual numbers, and i have yet to find an item not covered by it. Just thinking 1 run for ships and 10 for modules is a great rule of thumb, you just have to know that it CAN be wrong. "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
Dominique Vasilkovsky Techmart Industries	Posted - 2007.05.03 21:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Qual Just thinking 1 run for ships and 10 for modules is a great rule of thumb, you just have to know that it CAN be wrong. Your formula seems correct indeed as long as we assume the non existing T2 rig BPOs are under 100 or it will fail. As most people don't have a full set of T2 BPOs to check the max runs, it is easier to just learn what the few exceptions are to the simplified rule. So the items that has 1 run as base are: Ships Rigs Mobile Large Warp Disruptor II Mobile Medium Warp Disruptor II Mobile Small Warp Disruptor II Improved Cloak II Cov Op Cloak II Items with 10 run as base: All modules not listed above. It will be interesting to see what the invented runs will be for ammo/drones. snipnot needed - hutch
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.05.04 04:10:00 - [18] Originally by: Qual Just thinking 1 run for ships and 10 for modules is a great rule of thumb, you just have to know that it CAN be wrong. And that this rule is generally only valid when using a max run bpc Sick of the waits with empire research slots? Use mine!
Iog Krugar The Rising Stars YouWhat	Posted - 2007.12.13 17:42:00 - [19] with trinity changes as mentioned in http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=638337&page=3#77 Probability ME PE Runs Amarr War Strategon 1.8x -1 2 4 Classic Doctrine 1.2x +2 5 1 Formation Layout 1.1x +3 3 0 Sacred Manifesto 1.0x +1 4 2 Circular Logic 0.6x -2 1 9 Caldari Installation Guide 1.8x -1 2 4 Prototype Diagram 1.2x +2 5 1 Tuning Instructions 1.1x +3 3 0 User Manual 1.0x +1 4 2 Alignment Chart 0.6x -2 1 9 Gallente Stolen Formulas 1.8x -1 2 4 Test Reports 1.2x +2 5 1 Collision Measurements 1.1x +3 3 0 Engagement Plan 1.0x +1 4 2 Symbiotic Figures 0.6x -2 1 9 Minmatar Assembly Instructions 1.8x -1 2 4 Advanced Theories 1.2x +2 5 1 Calibration Data 1.1x +3 3 0 Operation Handbook 1.0x +1 4 2 Circuitry Schematics 0.6x -2 1 9 --- i suposse everyone rolls around stations in pods
Lucrende Slinkna	Posted - 2007.12.14 07:05:00 - [20] is the decryptor is devoured in the process right?
SeismicForce Clear Horizon Industries	Posted - 2007.12.14 08:00:00 - [21] Originally by: Lucrende Slinkna is the decryptor is devoured in the process right? Yup, the only thing that survives the invention attempt is the data interface. Originally by: Allisie In a recent interview, a dev mentioned that ships and skills cause lag and will be removed in EVE 2.

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