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Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.21 19:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Kruugore Asteroid Belts on right click - cycling through known asteroid belts to find an easy target is lame in my opinion. Overview/Directional Scanner - Warp to planet, scan for a second, determine how many people are mining and what they have for defenses. I'm a pirate and only like easy kills, if it's an easy kill, Then use narrowed directional scan to determine where they are out of the few possibilities. At least make them use recon probes. And force everyone to do all that to find a belt to mine at? Hope you enjoy high ship prices. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Kruugore Minmatar Vigilant Justice	Posted - 2007.03.21 19:27:00 - [32] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Kruugore Asteroid Belts on right click - cycling through known asteroid belts to find an easy target is lame in my opinion. Overview/Directional Scanner - Warp to planet, scan for a second, determine how many people are mining and what they have for defenses. I'm a pirate and only like easy kills, if it's an easy kill, Then use narrowed directional scan to determine where they are out of the few possibilities. At least make them use recon probes. And force everyone to do all that to find a belt to mine at? Hope you enjoy high ship prices. It doesn't take that much effort to launch a scan probe to find a belt. Then bookmark it. does it? ;P EVE Vault, A Great Community
Grez Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.21 19:28:00 - [33] There are other pressing issues than the ones you brought up. Yes, you heard me, there are far more importating things they are spending time. Plus, it's not so easy to fix some problems - planning and thought is needed. In a game as complex as EVE, making one small change could throw the entire universe into a spin. Corp theft is just a show of idiocy and over-trusting in most cases. That's your fault, not CCP's, same goes for scams (unless you're abusing a game bug, in which it's an exploit). --- Cache Clearer
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.03.21 19:28:00 - [34] Edited by: The Pointless on 21/03/2007 19:25:09 Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: That scamming or corp theft be a banable offence? They are not. THAT is the point when your entire post became worthless. I found that to be quite the arguement killer myself. Just... chose not to say that after I snapped on that Courier bug thread. ----------------------------------------------- I'd rather be a jack of all trades than a master of one.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.21 19:29:00 - [35] Originally by: Kruugore Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Kruugore Asteroid Belts on right click - cycling through known asteroid belts to find an easy target is lame in my opinion. Overview/Directional Scanner - Warp to planet, scan for a second, determine how many people are mining and what they have for defenses. I'm a pirate and only like easy kills, if it's an easy kill, Then use narrowed directional scan to determine where they are out of the few possibilities. At least make them use recon probes. And force everyone to do all that to find a belt to mine at? Hope you enjoy high ship prices. It doesn't take that much effort to launch a scan probe to find a belt. Then bookmark it. does it? ;P Doesn't take much for a pirate to do the same. So what was the point of removing the belts from a right-click list, again? :P warp drive active \| nature vraie
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.03.21 19:29:00 - [36] Edited by: Marquis Dean on 21/03/2007 19:25:46 Originally by: Kruugore Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Kruugore Asteroid Belts on right click - cycling through known asteroid belts to find an easy target is lame in my opinion. Overview/Directional Scanner - Warp to planet, scan for a second, determine how many people are mining and what they have for defenses. I'm a pirate and only like easy kills, if it's an easy kill, Then use narrowed directional scan to determine where they are out of the few possibilities. At least make them use recon probes. And force everyone to do all that to find a belt to mine at? Hope you enjoy high ship prices. It doesn't take that much effort to launch a scan probe to find a belt. Then bookmark it. does it? ;P And for the 3-week olds who haven't chosen a corp yet and are trying to make their own way as a freelance miner? Let's s*t all over them, cause after all noobs* aren't worthy of our respect. ---
Snapp Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.21 19:33:00 - [37] I have an idea, if say a recon or covert ops, or ship even with a cloak could disapear from local (radio silent) it should only remain out of local if it does not (comunicate with anyone) example of this would be gang chat/corp chat/private chats etc... as these would give off a signal (*and the reason it won't can't work is Teamspeak/Ventrillo etc.. cuase those you cannot trace and thus my idea is hosed.) local is here. to stay me thinks. I so came to party! Founding member of the "Gonna Gank a CareBear Alliance"
Athren Soulsteal Gallente Intergalaxy Salvage And Repair	Posted - 2007.03.21 19:36:00 - [38] Edited by: Athren Soulsteal on 21/03/2007 19:35:28 Originally by: The Pointless Could someone enlighten me on WHY LOCAL IS SUCH A PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE? (sorry) Actually this was discussed 4 years ago and is answered in this post the short version is local exist because you use the gates and in doing so you provide all of your information to the gates. People in the system see you because they also use the gates and their ships are in constant contact with the gates. To the list of things posted above, without local you would not get sec hits or raises or insurance or even be able to jump. It is because of local that you know where the base, planet field or anything else in the system is. Actually without local you could not use a directional scanner because you would have no point of reference. For those that don't understand this let me illustrate it this way. Imagine waking up in total darkness you see some lights in different directions but you have no idea where you are or when anything is relative to you. You donÆt know if there are buildings, hills, pits roads or anything. You have a jet pack that can only move you a short jump but you have no point of reference. You can't use a scanner because those require triangulation. (in EVE you know you are 12k from the gate because the gat knows where in space it is from the sun, planets other gates etc "triangulation") So basically you could jump around and try and pinpoint something but again, without a reference point you don't know how far you will jump or which direction. Just to triangulate your point of origin you could take hours and would need to plot your jumps, times, speeds just to create the points to try and determine a start point, all this before you could try and find someone else. Do you really want to have to do this, because thatÆs exactly what those asking for no local are asking for, the need to actually plot courses. Only because of local do the shipÆs computers do it now. Actually,, yes lets do that, allow those that don't want local access to it so they have to break out a slide rule and graft paper and force them to spend hours plotting their jumps. Go to a modern airport and check it out, every plane is being tracked, speed, direction, distance, name of the company and even the name of the pilot, that ppl is the modern version of local. Quote: Think about the people that did fight you fairly. Think.... that were honorable and helped you out in times of need. Those are the real heroes of EVE. I wish I could fit all the Quote
Kruugore Minmatar Vigilant Justice	Posted - 2007.03.21 19:42:00 - [39] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Kruugore Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Kruugore Asteroid Belts on right click - cycling through known asteroid belts to find an easy target is lame in my opinion. Overview/Directional Scanner - Warp to planet, scan for a second, determine how many people are mining and what they have for defenses. I'm a pirate and only like easy kills, if it's an easy kill, Then use narrowed directional scan to determine where they are out of the few possibilities. At least make them use recon probes. And force everyone to do all that to find a belt to mine at? Hope you enjoy high ship prices. It doesn't take that much effort to launch a scan probe to find a belt. Then bookmark it. does it? ;P Doesn't take much for a pirate to do the same. So what was the point of removing the belts from a right-click list, again? :P It localizes pirates, for one :) To roam, they must have all of the proper locations. CCP seems to be moving towards the 'scan down' method. Excavation Sites, Hacking Complexes, etc. System wide belts where you have to find where the good ore has spawned. EVE Vault, A Great Community
Kruugore Minmatar Vigilant Justice	Posted - 2007.03.21 19:43:00 - [40] Originally by: Marquis Dean Edited by: Marquis Dean on 21/03/2007 19:25:46 Originally by: Kruugore Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Kruugore Asteroid Belts on right click - cycling through known asteroid belts to find an easy target is lame in my opinion. Overview/Directional Scanner - Warp to planet, scan for a second, determine how many people are mining and what they have for defenses. I'm a pirate and only like easy kills, if it's an easy kill, Then use narrowed directional scan to determine where they are out of the few possibilities. At least make them use recon probes. And force everyone to do all that to find a belt to mine at? Hope you enjoy high ship prices. It doesn't take that much effort to launch a scan probe to find a belt. Then bookmark it. does it? ;P And for the 3-week olds who haven't chosen a corp yet and are trying to make their own way as a freelance miner? Let's s*t all over them, cause after all noobs* aren't worthy of our respect. Empire belts on right click are fine. They are meaningless. It's the 0.4 belts and below where this matters. EVE Vault, A Great Community

Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.21 19:56:00 - [41] Quote: Making it so that people don't appear in local will force players to rely completely on the scanner instead, and that's a lot more realistic. Maybe, but it would suck bigtime, because sitting stationary in a belt mining and having to hit the scanner button every 10 seconds would REALLY blow. The favor would go with the agressor, as usual, it would be a huge mining/ratting nerf. Its been said over and over, think about it ffs, removing Local would increase blobs, would make Empire more crowded, would make LowSec even more retarded, I bet the price of minerals and ships would rise, Alliances wouldnt be able to effectively defend any space, and all this for what? So prats can get more kills on their board. Period. Pfft, So screw that.
wulfhammer	Posted - 2007.03.22 01:58:00 - [42] Originally by: Sgt Blade you would think that after 4 years ccp would ahve banned people from whining on the forums but they havent .... 4 YEARS and they think its ok to let them whine on and on and on about things that are pointless and a waste of space Lmao at this.
AirWalker Amarr Galactic Response Team	Posted - 2007.03.22 02:31:00 - [43] the !!!!!ONLY!!!!! way to get rid of scams is to kill everyone on the planet.....thus destroying stupidity with it. Until that happens there will always be stupid people getting scammed...so more power to the scammers (and no i'm not one of them)
SULAN BARHIR United League of Independents	Posted - 2007.03.22 02:38:00 - [44] Originally by: Roshan longshot That logging off would be an exploit, it aint. That local would be removed? It has'nt. That scamming or corp theft be a banable offence? They are not. Four years people, and after every patch the same threads come up. Logoffski....Sounds like some redneck winter games. Local chat scams and corp theft. Four years....And all these things are still going on. Guess CCP has decided its ok then dont you think? What CCP has done was correct some minor mistakes in the game...Nanopoons...Ships logging off at a POS and emergency warping off? Ships warping out of bubbles? Those were small mistakes that should never of happen. Think about it...four years and CCP thinks its ok..... Unless you have some constructive ideas to solve the above mentioned "problems," you should not be whining so much. CCP seems to be doing everything they can as fast as they can. They have limited man power, if you haven't noticed already. Frankly, I don't think corp theft and local is even a problem. If you are competent at reading clues, you shouldn't be cornerd with those situations.
Regat Kozovv Caldari GETCO	Posted - 2007.03.22 02:49:00 - [45] Well, I had a suggestion...=) http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=494923
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.22 10:50:00 - [46] Originally by: SULAN BARHIR Originally by: Roshan longshot That logging off would be an exploit, it aint. That local would be removed? It has'nt. That scamming or corp theft be a banable offence? They are not. Four years people, and after every patch the same threads come up. Logoffski....Sounds like some redneck winter games. Local chat scams and corp theft. Four years....And all these things are still going on. Guess CCP has decided its ok then dont you think? What CCP has done was correct some minor mistakes in the game...Nanopoons...Ships logging off at a POS and emergency warping off? Ships warping out of bubbles? Those were small mistakes that should never of happen. Think about it...four years and CCP thinks its ok..... Unless you have some constructive ideas to solve the above mentioned "problems," you should not be whining so much. CCP seems to be doing everything they can as fast as they can. They have limited man power, if you haven't noticed already. Frankly, I don't think corp theft and local is even a problem. If you are competent at reading clues, you shouldn't be cornerd with those situations. Kinda funny, I was not saying anything toward CCP. But these constant threads demanding change after four years. Maybe you need to take a reading comp course there. I was'nt whining but pointing out to other forum users, that after four years of their whining, CCP STILL HAS NOT done what they want. Other wise for you all that cant read and understand....The game is running the way CCP wants it too..... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:20:00 - [47] Originally by: Roshan longshot That logging off would be an exploit, it aint. That local would be removed? It has'nt. That scamming or corp theft be a banable offence? They are not. Four years people, and after every patch the same threads come up. Logoffski....Sounds like some redneck winter games. Local chat scams and corp theft. Four years....And all these things are still going on. Guess CCP has decided its ok then dont you think? What CCP has done was correct some minor mistakes in the game...Nanopoons...Ships logging off at a POS and emergency warping off? Ships warping out of bubbles? Those were small mistakes that should never of happen. Think about it...four years and CCP thinks its ok..... If you have a scheme to fix log off issues, please share. Scamming is not a problem. Corp theft is not a problem. If they nerf local they'll give us a similar tool anyway. What a pointless post. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Druadan Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:47:00 - [48] Edited by: Druadan on 22/03/2007 11:47:09 Originally by: Roshan longshot That logging off would be an exploit, it aint. That local would be removed? It has'nt. That scamming or corp theft be a banable offence? They are not. Four years people, and after every patch the same threads come up. Logoffski....Sounds like some redneck winter games. Local chat scams and corp theft. Four years....And all these things are still going on. Guess CCP has decided its ok then dont you think? What CCP has done was correct some minor mistakes in the game...Nanopoons...Ships logging off at a POS and emergency warping off? Ships warping out of bubbles? Those were small mistakes that should never of happen. Think about it...four years and CCP thinks its ok..... Logoffski, yeah, and local chat is still up for debate. But why the buggery would scams and corp theft be deemed bannable offences? EVE, by design, is meant to be as free-roaming as possible - it is up to you to be careful, not for CCP to nanny you. When I see corp thieves reported, I set them to -10 and make a note of them. Other players' responses means that the universe polices itself here. Corp thieves face ostracision. __________________________________________________ "A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire
OneSock PLuSQuAMPERFEkT iNc	Posted - 2007.03.22 11:52:00 - [49] Actually I think the problem is that CCP do not communicate or give a statement on any of these issues. If they simply stated "we don't care about logoffski and have no intention of changing it". Or they could say "yes we know Local is not ideal but we are not sure what to do about it, give us some suggestions". At least we would know where we stand and hopefully there'd be less whinage.


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