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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.23 14:20:00 -
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Eve does not cost anything to download and install, only a subscription to cover recurring costs.
Vivox does not cost anything to download/install, only a subscription to cover recurring costs.
Expansions/Content do not cost anything to download/install, and do not have a recurring costs, thus no subscription.
CCP seem pretty consistent in their treatment of new content/features to me.
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 Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Sheriff Jones
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Posted - 2007.03.23 14:22:00 -
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Especially since everyone who sayes "It costs so much" completely ignores my points about it costing to the CCP.
These ships, voice coms, expansions, patches etc...they don't just "pop up" people.
The whole voice system cost a pretty penny to the CCP, so, unlike other content that is produced by the pay that is given to the people at CCP, this had OTHER costs aswell.
And like said...it's a business, not a charity. If they gave everything free and dropped the subscription fees and this and that...they wouldn't have cash to make new expansions, they wouldn't have cash to make the game better...they would...yes...shut down the game.
Is that what you people want?
Put your foot up the other a** for a moment and think about it 
Originally by: Curzon Dax
1. I am not singing Ducktales.
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SencneS
Amarr
Keepers of the Holy Bagel
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.23 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: SencneS on 23/03/2007 14:22:12
I think $15 a year sounds cheap but there are alternatives that are cheaper. I'm not even going to use the 30 day free trial to show my distaste for the cost.
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.03.23 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kilda Shepp
VIVOX appearers to me like some 3rd party company seeing the bag of gold at the end of the EVE rainbow and saying I NEED ME A PIECE OF THAT!!
QFT 
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Skarsnik
Caldari
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.23 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kilda Shepp
My whole beef with CCP Voice options is it's simply too expensive.
An entire alliance can chip in a couple of bucks a year for a Vent server.. Or if they don't care quality download and run a Team Speak server, which is FREE. CCP missed the point when people asked for In Game Voice. Yes it would be nice, but almost every large alliance or corp already has some sort of voice coms, which they have been using for close to free, or someone charitable pays for it. So why would everyone want to dish out Money when they can use the alliance/corp service.
Check it out - 2000 people in an alliance, if they all tossed $14.99 a year at CCP thats = $29,980.
The largest user slot vent server I can find is 400, for $149.99 a month. Little Side note here.. that's double the amount of people chatting at the same time, then on VIVOX.
2000/400 = 5, 5 Vent servers with 400 slots * 149.99 = $749.95
749.95*12 = $8,999.40
$8,999.40 / 2000 = $4.50
$4.50 once a year for 2000 people to have access to Vent vs CCPs $14.99 and guess what, you can have DOUBLE the amount of people chatting at the same time!
Then comes the logistic point CCP jumped over and missed..
Fleet Commander V - Allows command of a Fleet. Grants the Fleet Commander the ability to command a new Wing per skill level, up to a maximum of 5 Wings.
Wing Commander V - Allows command of a Wing. Grants the Wing Commander the ability to operate a new Squadron per skill level, up to a maximum of 5 Squadrons.
Squadron consists of 10 people.
So how many Squadrons all together? 5*5=25.
25*10 = 250.
250+1 Fleet commander + 5 Wing Commanders = 256.
So how can VIXVO be a viable alternative to any real full sized fleet op?? IT CAN'T!
It's missing 56 people! a whopping 21.875% of your Fleet are MISSING COMMS!
But hey... Vent for 300 people costs $99.99 per month!
Which comes down to. $4 a YEAR per person.
VIVOX appearers to me like some 3rd party company seeing the bag of gold at the end of the EVE rainbow and saying I NEED ME A PIECE OF THAT!!
I'll say this to your statement. Whilst yes by your calculations it's cheaper. Who do the 'Alliance' members send thier money to and have a guaranteed service in the form of a contract?
If you want everyone in-game right now. Send me your $4.50 each month and I'll provide that service for you all honest 
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Kilda Shepp
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Posted - 2007.03.23 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Skarsnik
If you want everyone in-game right now. Send me your $4.50 each month and I'll provide that service for you all honest
It's actually $4.50 a year, if it was per month it would be. 38 cents.
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Babs Johnson
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.23 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Kilda Shepp
My whole beef with CCP Voice options is it's simply too expensive.
Uh, it's about as much as a few lattes at Starbucks. Stop blowing the "too expensive" argument out of proportion.
It's not being blown out of proportion.
A great many people who play this game have multiple accounts. When you already pay $30 or $45 or $60 per month to play EVE, an additional dollar or two on the bill raises legitimate issues about its value.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Babs Johnson
It's not being blown out of proportion.
A great many people who play this game have multiple accounts. When you already pay $30 or $45 or $60 per month to play EVE, an additional dollar or two on the bill raises legitimate issues about its value.
In the case of multiple account holders yes, I'll agree with that argument. It's definitely something that would be preferabe to be used across all accounts.
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Harisdrop
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.23 15:10:00 -
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Some are missing the point here.
EVE will never be twitch driven ships.
EVE will have avatars that dont shoot other avatars. Maybe later but not first.
EVE is a mature gamer game.
After playing MMO for 8 years and 4 with EVE I think this will not be the first premium addon.
Lets look at what the principle driving force of EVE. EVE is about community and gaming. They go together and are not going to be separate. Why do you think there are show info on every character. Why do you think you can convo someone by clicking their picture. CCP has made every opportunity to allow its players to talk to each other. This is the basis on ONE SERVER concept. if you ever played any other game , they keep the british people on their own server ( I can understand why). CCP made it a point not to separate players but to make one server for all.
Can we not agree that with these ideas with VIVOX the fit is in line with these concepts.
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Deckard Bishop
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.03.23 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
EVE Voice is a premium feature and it will cost xtra to use it, we'd rather do it that way than raise the subscription fee for everyone. But the upside is, if you don't like it, you don't have to use it.
if you have questions or wish to give feedback on eve-voice please do so in this thread
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.23 16:13:00 -
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Clicky?
Vivox threads coming to an end 
IBTL? IATL?
Tune in in two weeks time and miss next weeks exciting whine threads.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Clicky?
Vivox threads coming to an end
IBTL? IATL?
Tune in in two weeks time and miss next weeks exciting whine threads.
I think we need a new one. IBDBTALBPTWB.
In Before Deckard Bishop Threatens A Lock But Pushes The Wrong Button
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Col Callahan
Caldari
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.23 16:20:00 -
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I feel that if they would have offered it free and raised the sub by $1 then there would be no prob, there mistake and we are pointing it out for them.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.23 16:21:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 23/03/2007 16:17:38
IATAL
In After The Attempted Lock
IATLRS
In After The Lock Related Spam
And ofc IBTLRS
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Col Callahan
I feel that if they would have offered it free and raised the sub by $1 then there would be no prob, there mistake and we are pointing it out for them.
If they raise the sub, how is that offering it free? :)
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Nizar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.23 16:21:00 -
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Edited by: Nizar on 23/03/2007 16:19:56
haha, you are all prolly just VIVOX or some other company associates trying to sell real players something we dont need. cmon, you can admit all it now...
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Harisdrop
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.23 16:26:00 -
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I believe in allowing the customers to choose whom to speak to and how. no one should deny an obvious nice feature they allow me to purchase.
I dont understand why some dont want me to have this cool little add-on.
VIVOX is a good thing.
Its like asking everyone to PVP or leave NPC corps....
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Harisdrop
I dont understand why some dont want me to have this cool little add-on.
I think it's a great addition to the game. Is it feature-perfect right now? No. Is it currently a good first step towards that? Yes.
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Lemen Meringue
Cult of Lemen
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Posted - 2007.03.23 16:33:00 -
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If Vivox worked on local (which as I understand it it does not), I'd consider getting it. Would be nice for anyone in a system to be able to just say "hostiles!" over the mic to alert everyone.
Otherwise... I'm in vent with my corp anyway. I'm on ts for combat ops. I can already voice chat with anyone I'm interested in voice chatting with.
For local I'd pay $1 a month, but for what I'd get from it, it ain't worth it.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.23 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lemen Meringue
If Vivox worked on local (which as I understand it it does not), I'd consider getting it. Would be nice for anyone in a system to be able to just say "hostiles!" over the mic to alert everyone.
Otherwise... I'm in vent with my corp anyway. I'm on ts for combat ops. I can already voice chat with anyone I'm interested in voice chatting with.
For local I'd pay $1 a month, but for what I'd get from it, it ain't worth it.
Vivox in local FTW.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Harisdrop
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.29 16:01:00 -
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With VIVOX if you used it for comms there is no way anyone can disrupt you voice comms. It has happened to a fleet I was in while we where gathering 300 pilots and lost TS because of a IP attack.
Look at D¦ public forums and tell me there is some IP hits that are taking it down.
The times of trust among internet users is going down fast. Protect yourself and your IP and get away from 3 party.
I look forward to CCP killboard that we pay $5.00 a month per account for registration. Also Would love CCP corporation/Alliance Forum access thru CCP for $5.00 per account per month.
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Hesed
Hamartia.
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Posted - 2007.03.29 16:27:00 -
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I wish Vent had more inter-server interoperability so I could talk to (irritate) a wider group of people.
If I knew what that meant, I'd be even happier.
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Valator Uel
Caldari
Pax Minor Asylum
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2007.03.29 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Deckard Bishop
if you have questions or wish to give feedback on eve-voice please do so in this thread
*clicky*
lmao, no offense but we have tried posting in that thread and got rudely ignored.
Anyways, back on topic. I would like to use Vivox myself, it's cheap and could become a very usefull tool. Unfortunatly atm it doesn't offer enough to tip the balance in its favour against popular voip's like TS and Vent. I made a suggestion here on how to make EVE-Voice more usefull, if anyone is interested.
CCP should also consider making EVE-Voice time codes so that players without credit card or whatever that depend on GTC's to play EVE can also use these said codes.
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Brother Funkyshades
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Posted - 2007.03.29 16:45:00 -
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just a simple question for me. i still cant answer it.
vent/ts is free for most users (i never have been asked to transfer .0003 cent per session or something) whereas VIVOX aint.
what will prevail? the lazy bums or the cheapskates?
oh and iwatal (in well after the attempted lock)
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BerekHalfhand
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Posted - 2007.03.29 16:46:00 -
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God Sake, Pay the MAN.
If anyone who wants it pays for it, as for it becoming a standard and then CCP putting the price up, where did that come from?
In Ops voice is needed, when mining it can keep u Sane, (depends on who ur takling 2 tho).
Its Pennies (or cents) folks, if u cant cope with it I dont think u should be spending ur cash on any games.
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Amphetaminer
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Posted - 2007.03.29 17:05:00 -
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some arguments against vivox:
not anyone is in a 1000man corp..
small corps can run a vent server free of charge (just use a 2d pc to host it on)
If eve is down you can't talk.
If you crash or the node crashes you can't talk.
Its more expensive then renting a Ventrillo server.
etc.. etc..
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Vabjekf
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.29 18:17:00 -
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Because too much intigration will make it standard.
Voice is good for certain things. Its good for coordination in non predictable situations where variables are both likley to change AND there is no built in way for simple situational awareness to communicate it all to each person (somthing i see as a game flaw, but whatever, because communication of any kind is still slower than a system where everyone knows everything at all times). That is to say, its great if you are going to pewpew other people with other people, and not pewpew npcs or veldspar.
It is not however, good for all things. Right now the internet has a nice balance. Voice is there for places it is advantagious, but text is there for general purpose. There are many advantages to text, such as the ability to log it for future refferences, (or just scroll up in chat to remind you what someone had said just a sec ago/when you where afk). Or if you want to listen to music/audiobooks/whatever while doing the more mundane tasks in the game.
Further, emoticons provide a sort of body language to text that a voice with out a body lacks
These things make text obviously superior in many ways.
The bad thing with mmos that intigrate voip is that people just stop typeing alltogeather. Nobody wants to read or type anything because they are lazy or who knows. This should be avoided.
Text should remain the standard right up untill telepathy and/or intigration into the global human conciousness. Its simply better.
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