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DMF KingBob
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Posted - 2007.03.26 06:56:00 -
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what can i do against 3 or mor npc`s cruisers with tracking distrupers(like blockade against sanshas)
all my turrets cant hit an simple sansha bs at 17 km
hitting the jamming cruiser is not able
im using an tech2 tracking cpu and my gunnery skills are at lvl4 but it brings nothing
but an simple raven-noob has no problems
this isnt fair agains the other races
this is frustrading-.-
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Elerie Dana
Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.26 08:01:00 -
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Train for drones. Amarr need to use them as a secondary weapon anyway in pvp. Good drone skills will make any mission much easier.
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Maximillian Power
Minmatar
The Dark Protectorate
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Posted - 2007.03.26 08:29:00 -
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 Originally by: DMF KingBob
what can i do against 3 or mor npc`s cruisers with tracking distrupers(like blockade against sanshas)
all my turrets cant hit an simple sansha bs at 17 km
hitting the jamming cruiser is not able
im using an tech2 tracking cpu and my gunnery skills are at lvl4 but it brings nothing
but an simple raven-noob has no problems
this isnt fair agains the other races
this is frustrading-.-
ummm... kill the npc's using tracking disruptors first?
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Hephaesteus
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.26 11:01:00 -
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It might be a good idea if you was to tell us the ship you are using so we can offer some advise or not. 
I fly a meg with 425's on and have no problems at all killing Sanshas, but the difference might be the Megs tracking bonus and having the tracking skill maxed. Also, have you tried moving away from the rat or toward it to get them to move in a straight line so your guns can track them more easily? If you still cant hit them after that make sure you have a good tank and let your drones have a go, always works for me.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.26 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: DMF KingBob
all my turrets cant hit an simple sansha bs at 17 km
hitting the jamming cruiser is not able
Originally by: Maximillian Power
ummm... kill the npc's using tracking disruptors first?
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.03.26 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Elerie Dana
Train for drones. Amarr need to use them as a secondary weapon anyway in pvp. Good drone skills will make any mission much easier.
I have uber drone skills but if I can't target-lock, I can't tell my drones to direct an attack against an specific ship. With each drone attacking an NPC Mega on it's own, none will be able to break the tank of a single ship. So, no target-lock + many NPC = drones useless. |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.26 16:16:00 -
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If you can, mount at least 1 missile launcher, load FOF.
Fire 1 time, hopefully the drones will all attack the target of the FOF.
It seem to work most of the time.
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.03.26 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Raivi on 26/03/2007 16:22:49
Originally by: Shameless Avenger
Originally by: Elerie Dana
Train for drones. Amarr need to use them as a secondary weapon anyway in pvp. Good drone skills will make any mission much easier.
I have uber drone skills but if I can't target-lock, I can't tell my drones to direct an attack against an specific ship. With each drone attacking an NPC Mega on it's own, none will be able to break the tank of a single ship. So, no target-lock + many NPC = drones useless.
You are correct that drones aren't much better for Damp or ECM rats, but the OP is having trouble with Tracking Disrupting rats, so drones should work perfectly.
As for more advice on how to kill your TD rats, you could try getting really close and webbing them. Remember that tracking disruptors reduce your optimal range as well as tracking so get in close and then web the target down to lower it's transversal.
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Dammar
Amarr
Ephorate
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Posted - 2007.03.26 16:50:00 -
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heh the disruptors are pretty bad on this one sometimes. It does seem to vary tho, as in they don't 'hit you with all of it' the entire time....cycles will fail and i'm guessing they run out of cap to run the ewar eventually.
I've checked my optimal during the worst moments, and using mega pulse II's with microwave, which i normally get 40km with, I was 'disrupted' down to just over 3000m.
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Mastin Dragonfly
Amarr Navy Runners
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Posted - 2007.03.26 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Mastin Dragonfly on 26/03/2007 17:32:56
Using long range guns on this can actually be a benefit despite the lower innate tracking, you have a longer base optimal, but most of all a longer falloff which doesn't get affected by disruptors. If you're a decent turretboat pilot you should know how to bring down the transversal of your target to where you can hit it reliable.
PS: having an afterburner on your mission battleship has advantage beyond getting to the next gate faster.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.03.26 17:35:00 -
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It's probably heresy to say it, but if you go with a short range setup, TDs are close to a non-issue.
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KingBobs Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.26 18:48:00 -
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i fly an Apoc and my lasers cant hit the jamming cruisers
i use medium tech2 drones (infiltrator tech2 for sansha)but the need an very long time to kill one of the jamming cruisers mayby 3 minutes or longer only for on cruiser(loyal execrator,beast)
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Ralara
Caldari
Lilandri Foundation
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Posted - 2007.03.27 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: DMF KingBob
what can i do against 3 or mor npc`s cruisers with tracking distrupers(like blockade against sanshas)
all my turrets cant hit an simple sansha bs at 17 km
hitting the jamming cruiser is not able
im using an tech2 tracking cpu and my gunnery skills are at lvl4 but it brings nothing
but an simple raven-noob has no problems
this isnt fair agains the other races
this is frustrading-.-
So fly a raven then?
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KingBobs Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.27 09:43:00 -
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why the hell exist then amarr why selectet i this race and why the hell have i skilled and waitet so nmuch time
i hate caldari and i dont like to skill an other race (cheating-caldari)just the game is not right balanced that is all
Eve needs a fair relation for all races and not a reason to fly an everybody-has-got-this-ugly-ship-raven
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Leandro Salazar
Bravehearts
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.27 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 27/03/2007 10:21:09
Yes, please tell us. Why did you do those things? It is not like the Amarr problems (even though they are not as bad as people like you make them out to be, they DO exist) have not been around for more than a year...
Informing yourself 4tw.
It is kinda ironic that I have to say this, but EVE is balanced for PvP, not for PvE. If you think Amarr ships suck too much at PvE, do something else.
If you want to be a professional high end PvEr, there really is no way around the Raven. Much like there really is no way around F1 racer for a F1 pilot. Sure a stock car will drive too, but you wont be competitve. Just like that F1 car wouldn't be very competitve in a stock race...
Regardless of this though, that NPC EW craze DOES seem to impair turret ships even more in missions, which definitely is NOT desireable.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.27 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 27/03/2007 10:22:46
Beside the raven you have other choices:
you can run a huber passive tanked Drake with heavy missiles
or
a huber passive tanled Rook with a mix of cruiser missiles and rails
I am tempted to track down the one who was saing some time ago that the new missions wold lower the advantage of the missile boats and give him a piece of my mind trhough my blasters. 
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Mastin Dragonfly
Amarr Navy Runners
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Posted - 2007.03.27 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: KingBobs Dawn
why the hell exist then amarr why selectet i this race and why the hell have i skilled and waitet so nmuch time
i hate caldari and i dont like to skill an other race (cheating-caldari)just the game is not right balanced that is all
Eve needs a fair relation for all races and not a reason to fly an everybody-has-got-this-ugly-ship-raven
Use Hammerheads, they have a bigger damage mod than the Infiltrators, the difference makes up for the slightly higher thermal resists on Sansha rats.
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Juni d'Aemon
Gallente
Strc Prst Skrz Krk
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Posted - 2007.03.27 14:28:00 -
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All the answers above are wrong.
The only right answer is get in close under 10km, and fit dual web. TD's are not an issue on static target. Amarr ships are built for tanking, close range and double webs.
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Ghan Tylous
Caldari
The Graduates
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.03.27 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Edited by: Venkul Mul on 27/03/2007 10:22:46
a huber passive tanled Rook with a mix of cruiser missiles and rails
A Rook is a Caldari recon ship, I think you mean Rokh 
Gallente pilots.... don't know the difference between a recon cruiser and a battleship  you are doomed
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.03.27 16:55:00 -
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the game might have been ballanced around pvp, but PVE is still a big part of it . it does seem unfair that having to fly the raven to be good at it, and i think they could ballance other races PVE ability atleast a little without even touching pvp if needed.
my fighting char flys minmatar, usually with as much launchers on a ship as possible tho, so its possible i wil lfeel it less... or the duo weapon bonus will make it less effective :P who cares really... i dont see myself training for caldari just yet, i fear making missions to easy will make me fall asleep and lose the ship by accident
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.27 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 27/03/2007 19:16:28
Edited by: Venkul Mul on 27/03/2007 19:14:24
Originally by: Ghan Tylous
Originally by: Venkul Mul
a huber passive tanled Rook with a mix of cruiser missiles and rails
A Rook is a Caldari recon ship, I think you mean Rokh
You are right, sorry, should stop posting while at work.
Originally by: Ghan Tylous
Gallente pilots.... don't know the difference between a recon cruiser and a battleship you are doomed
Hit for 1.000 hp forum damage crash to desktop.
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Artu Stargazer
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Posted - 2007.03.28 01:58:00 -
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If you can get them to hold still somehow (dual webs maybe), autocannons might work. Good base falloff and tracking helps with some of those problems.
NPC Ewar needs a bit of work, I think NPC ECM still works against supposedly Ewar immune supercapitals, for example.
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DMF KingBob
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Posted - 2007.03.28 03:36:00 -
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lol an webber has only 10km range and the jamming cruiser are mostly at 22k metre distance my bs fly only 118ms (2 armor rigs)this is unable to webb
some jaming bs orbits my at 40k metre distance unable too
and it is not only one jamming npc ,mostly 3 or 4
skilled much time in gunnery/amarr
jamming sanshas makes me sick x)
cant fly this blockade mission without help...
skilled much time in gunnery/amarr but an simple raven has no problems this inst fair -.-
an simple sansha rebalancing is needed
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Dust Angel
Harvest System
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.28 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: DMF KingBob
lol an webber has only 10km range and the jamming cruiser are mostly at 22k metre distance my bs fly only 118ms (2 armor rigs)this is unable to webb
some jaming bs orbits my at 40k metre distance unable too
and it is not only one jamming npc ,mostly 3 or 4
skilled much time in gunnery/amarr
jamming sanshas makes me sick x)
cant fly this blockade mission without help...
skilled much time in gunnery/amarr but an simple raven has no problems this inst fair -.-
an simple sansha rebalancing is needed
change setup then. put a good AB on and youll go near 300m/s.
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DMF KingBob
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Posted - 2007.03.28 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: DMF KingBob on 28/03/2007 05:16:59
this is a joke or ?
300 ms is to lame and i need my 4 med slots for webber tracking cpu and targetpainter (to hit something) and heavy capbooster
betwenn the enemies are 40kmetre distance or more -.- and the fly from me away too
my lasers doesnt hit the target while the ship is moving(this are turrets and not missiles!)and jammed too -.-
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