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Dano Sarum
Giants in the Playground
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Posted - 2007.03.26 18:58:00 -
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Incase anyone isn't aware, everytime you kill somone belonging to an NPC corp you take a standings hit with the owning corp.
Usually I wouldnt really care, but seeing as the VIZIAM (A research corp) is one of those it means If i'm out popping everyones alt spys I run the risk of lowering my standings with this research corp to a lower level.
I'd really like for this to be changed so that you don't take any hits with NPC factions for killing PLAYERS in their corps. I think alt scouts / spies are bad enough without if affecting my standings pew pewing them.
Thoughts please.
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Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
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Posted - 2007.03.26 19:00:00 -
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/signed in ******* triplicate
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
 Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.26 19:00:00 -
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Sounds like a bug.
You shouldn't get a faction standings hit for killing players, only a security status hit.
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Gaogan
Gallente
Solar Storm
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Posted - 2007.03.26 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Sounds like a bug.
You shouldn't get a faction standings hit for killing players, only a security status hit.
Abso-frigging-lutely!
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Dano Sarum
Giants in the Playground
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Posted - 2007.03.26 19:55:00 -
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Everyone seems to have negative standings towards NPC corps, viewing the transaction logs shows that shuttles / newbie ships etc destroyed are counting as CORP property.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.26 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Sounds like a bug.
You shouldn't get a faction standings hit for killing players, only a security status hit.
And why not? Do you not get a faction hit when you hit a hauler belonging to that NPC corp?
Has anyone ever thought, maybe, ah CCP did'nt want us 'killing' each other off? Biggest security hit is when you pop a pod, not when you shoot the ship down.
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[i]As read from the original box.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.26 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dano Sarum
Everyone seems to have negative standings towards NPC corps, viewing the transaction logs shows that shuttles / newbie ships etc destroyed are counting as CORP property.
You should'nt have brought this up here in public....I can see somthing bad comming from your oponents.....
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box.
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Jotan Veer
Wings of Turul
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.26 20:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jotan Veer on 26/03/2007 20:29:21
Originally by: Dano Sarum
Incase anyone isn't aware, everytime you kill somone belonging to an NPC corp you take a standings hit with the owning corp.
Usually I wouldnt really care, but seeing as the VIZIAM (A research corp) is one of those it means If i'm out popping everyones alt spys I run the risk of lowering my standings with this research corp to a lower level.
I'd really like for this to be changed so that you don't take any hits with NPC factions for killing PLAYERS in their corps. I think alt scouts / spies are bad enough without if affecting my standings pew pewing them.
Thoughts please.
I'm pretty sure it only happens in case of a POD kill but YES, if you kill a player who is in an NPC corp in 0.0 you do get standing hits vs. corps like State War Academy etc.
Podding n00b corp scouts in 0.0 earned me negative standing with most NPC corps, Imperial Academy, Center for Advanced Studies, Imperial Shipment, The Scope....you name it.
I don't really mind it but I'm sure it is a bug, 0.0 space supposed to be lawless aye?
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juduzz
Amarr
Memento.Mori
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Posted - 2007.03.26 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Sounds like a bug.
You shouldn't get a faction standings hit for killing players, only a security status hit.
its been like this for YEARS unfortunately so doubt its a bug would be nice if it would be change but if it was CCP would prberly get petitions from thousands of players to fix there standings :/
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Cenyi
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Posted - 2007.03.26 20:35:00 -
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Boo Hoo dano deal with it or stop killing NPC corp mambers :P
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Jotan Veer
Wings of Turul
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.26 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Cenyi
Boo Hoo dano deal with it or stop killing NPC corp mambers :P
If I was a low sec pirate I would gladly comply but in 0.0 an NPC corp scout means direct danger to your corp's mining op, freighter run, fleet op etc etc you name it ergo has to be killed.
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.03.26 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: hydraSlav on 26/03/2007 21:01:40
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Sounds like a bug.
You shouldn't get a faction standings hit for killing players, only a security status hit.
Nope, it's working as designed. I petitioned it last year, and the reply was that killing a character belonging to an NCP corporation lowers your faction standings with that corporation
I find it absurd. I have standings of 8+ with Federation Navy, but my overall Gallente Federation faction standing is in the low 3s-4s, cause there is a Gallente noob-corps that have me at -4 for all the noob-alts that i killed. This results in me having higher taxes in the closest empire station for trading/refining/everything which just happens to belong to the Scope where all these noob-alts come from 
I could understand if this was in happening in low-sec, but it is happening in 0.0 as well (i confirmed it several times).
And people are abusing this. Not only are people abusing this with noob-alts, but i've seen quite a few pirates drop into NPC corps and remain there for many months (while actively playing), and every time you kill them, you hurt yourself a lot in higher taxes/lost standings.
This seriously needs rethinking on CCP's part. At least make it apply to low-sec/high-sec only. According to CCP itself, 0.0 should be law-less. So, why is there a standings hit?
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Qolde
Minmatar
Guardian Heroes Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.26 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: Qolde on 26/03/2007 21:08:44
It's balance. NPC corps are in empire, the only real reason to pop them is in 0.0, and if you are in combat in 0.0, why would you need standing with an empire NPC corp? If you were an empire mining corp, and some guy popped every single person in your corp that went to 0.0, wouldn't you want to set them negative as well?
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Jotan Veer
Wings of Turul
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.26 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jotan Veer on 26/03/2007 21:13:19
Originally by: Qolde
Edited by: Qolde on 26/03/2007 21:08:44
I if you are in combat in 0.0, why would you need standing with an empire NPC corp?
Viziam R&D agents, to name the example given by the OP (no R&D agents in 0.0 and you do need them for invention).
Thank god the price of skillbooks ain't tied to standings.
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Naim Obeji
Minmatar
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.26 21:18:00 -
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Oh yeah...I'm -10 to State War Academy since moving to Tribute. I think I'm -8 or worse to just about every other n00b corp. Ouch...lol.
Guess I'm never getting into the academy...
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DeadRow
Magnificent Beavers
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.03.26 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: hydraSlav
This seriously needs rethinking on CCP's part. At least make it apply to low-sec/high-sec only. According to CCP itself, 0.0 should be law-less. So, why is there a standings hit?
if it is intended, then the standings hit in 0.0 stills makes sense. I get standings hits from serps/Amarr Navy when i do missions in 0.0.
But I think standings hits on killing players shouldn't happen just saying if it is intended then it makes sense.
/DeadRow
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Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
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Posted - 2007.03.26 21:33:00 -
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This is just ridiculous.
So, you are out in 0.0, maybe setting up a gatecamp. Nubcorp alt in pod sits there spying on you. You gonna pop him? Damn straight. He has his medical clone a few jumps away, he comes right back.... you pop him again? You know it. Repeat ad nauseum, until your standings with the nubcorps is right down the ****ter.
Can we say broken game mechanics? 
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Saibotek
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Posted - 2007.03.26 21:51:00 -
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2 words for you that fit here
RISK.....REWARD
As they get pointed to us miners and empire dwellers. Here it seems to fit as well.
By killing those that choose to dwell in the NPC corps you Risk your security status with their faction. and your Reward is your own private sector of space. How do you know they are alt/spies and not explorers from a distant land looking for a new home?
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Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
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Posted - 2007.03.26 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Saibotek
RISK.....REWARD
OK, then explain to me what the day-old nubcorp alt risks, exactly?
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Saibotek
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Posted - 2007.03.26 21:57:00 -
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His risk is repeatedly getting his clone handed to him as stated above. His reward. could be whatever he is there for.
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Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC.
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:01:00 -
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So, he risks... a clone, he doesn't even have to pay for it, as he has no skills worth saving anyway, and to fly a noobship requires no skills, not to mention the pod.
You know what he risks? A few minutes of his time, in exchange he gets to lower someone's standings with his nubcorp.
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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Saibotek
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:15:00 -
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That is going on the assumption that he is a spy/alt. the exact reason you risk your sec status. not saying the game mechanics are perfect but these are the reasons they do exist.
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Bellannaer
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:16:00 -
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Just wanted to point out that just because an area is lawless, that doesn't mean that actions don't have consequences. If the spy was in a player corp, you wouldn't be surprised if that corp got upset with you for podding its members. As far as the issue goes, I don't care enough to figure out something that fixes the problem while still making sense in the game world.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.26 22:53:00 -
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It's unlucky, that some amarr players, who leave their player corps, are moved to a research corp like Viziam then. Is that random or does it depend on bloodline and specialization ?
If I leave corp, I get moved to Sebiestor Tribe. Not really a standing a lot of people care about.
But the standings towards the nub corps are pointless, since they have no agents. Got -7.76 to Republic Military school, but positive Minmatar faction standing and all other Minmatar corps plus or neutral. 
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.03.26 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 26/03/2007 23:12:35
Originally by: Saibotek
2 words for you that fit here
Alt abuse. I dont mean alt scounts, i mean empire carebear alts that never undock.
Punish the players who actually play on their "mains" (those who pod nub scounts), reward players who have accounts full of industrial / trading / RnD alts that stay in empire forever, dont shoot, dont talk etc.
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Dano Sarum
Giants in the Playground
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Posted - 2007.03.26 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Saibotek
2 words for you that fit here
RISK.....REWARD
As they get pointed to us miners and empire dwellers. Here it seems to fit as well.
By killing those that choose to dwell in the NPC corps you Risk your security status with their faction. and your Reward is your own private sector of space. How do you know they are alt/spies and not explorers from a distant land looking for a new home?
Uh... Sorry if this sounds rude, but have you ever actually left Empire or been in an NBSI area? It's only recently still that CCP didnt allow people to run their main + a trial account simply due to the fact that there is NO RISK.
People sent in a noob corp character with a shuttle or a noobship ahead of where they were going (or sitting on the other side of a gate as a scout) and warned them of dangers ahead. The point is there was no RISK to them being used, every reward, no tangible reward in killing them (besides taking away eyes they shouldnt have).
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zoltar
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Posted - 2007.03.26 23:48:00 -
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hmm, this explains it. im a 4 year vet, carebear 90% of the time. I went to 0.0 for a few months. when I came back to empire to do more missios, deploy a empire POS and get another R&D agent, guess what... 
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:11:00 -
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It probably should be fixed, but I love it for entries in my security log like this one:
Quote:
1087900215___2006.09.28 00:23___-14.2857 %___Combat - Pod Kill
"This penalty was incurred for podding State War Academy in PF-346"
Pure 1000% awesome.
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Petrothian Tong
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:46:00 -
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yeah... the thing in 0.0 doesnt make sense to me either....
(and I am in npc corp!!!)
what happens in 0.0.. stays in 0.0 =P
(*hmmm so thats why I had neg standings with one of the amarr noob corps...*)
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Arushia
Nova Labs
Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:57:00 -
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Only part that sounds broken to me is that Viziam is both a NPC corp with PC members and a research corp. Consider getting a different research corp.
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