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Alaknor Dresden	Posted - 2007.03.31 16:06:00 - [181] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 30/03/2007 16:38:15 I'll just add my two cents again. Number one, half of you are hyporcits who admire (and do) scaming. A full quarter of who are left, if my year or so in eve is a good indicator, have actually stolen from corps with alts. Yet you remain critical of someone stealing from Snowy. I'll stick by my guns here, though. The issue is not whether corp theivery in the abstract is acceptable or no... the issue is whether the original poster justified in stealing from Snowy. There are never, and I repeat, never universals with which we can cast down judgments. For instance, murder in one context might be wrong, but right in another context (self-defence.) Having said that, if the OP is not lying to us, there are certainly cirumstances that I believe not only mitigate any wrong doing on hist part, but actually justify it. The bottom line is, if you want people to treat you respectfully, care about you, care about your corp, and give you due consideration, you don't treat them like ***. Honestly, if you are calling someone in your corp worthless, generally disrespecting them, and yelling* at them in real life over Ventrilo, you should EXPECT them to eventually get fed up, and do something that reasonably mimics what was done to them by you. -Karlemgne I agree. If he had of stolen everything from GM's hangar i would have said well if he was actually treating u that badly than he deserved it. But the rest of the corp did nothing to deserve that from what i can see. Seems to me a bit of a childish retaliation without really thinking about who he is putting out. wuality ppl like zwerg DE That's the rub. Without being there, and knowing the exact corp dynamic that lead to this corp theivery (and thusly this thread) I'm not really prepared to wag my finger at the OP. In fact, Snowy pilots are generally such a*-hats on the forums, I have no real choice but to believe that all of them had a hand in either treating the OP poorly, or contributing to a general attitude that allows Ginger to treat people poorly. Either way, the OP is justified. And again, its so ironic, that the same pirates who will laude other pirates for scaming newbs, carebear corps, etc heap scorn on the OP. Especially since I know* (without naming names) at least one of the people yelling at the OP is an accomplished alt corp theif. -Karl
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.03.31 16:14:00 - [182] Originally by: Alaknor Dresden That's the rub. Without being there, and knowing the exact corp dynamic that lead to this corp theivery (and thusly this thread) I'm not really prepared to wag my finger at the OP. In fact, Snowy pilots are generally such a-hats on the forums, I have no real choice but to believe that all of them had a hand in either treating the OP poorly, or contributing to a general attitude that allows Ginger to treat people poorly. Yeah, probably to some extent. And even if they didn't have any part in it, they also didn't say anything against it, presumably. Probably for fear of GM yelling at them too. Quote:** Either way, the OP is justified. And again, its so ironic, that the same pirates who will laude other pirates for scaming newbs, carebear corps, etc heap scorn on the OP. Especially since I know (without naming names) at least one of the people yelling at the OP is an accomplished alt corp theif. Meh. If you scam newbs, they deserve it. Sending ISK to a random person because he promises to give you something great in return is foolish. However, if you've got a longtime, trusted corp mate who you have a connection with, and they betray you, that's an entirely different story. At that point it's like "WTF...that came out of nowhere". If you can't trust anyone in Eve, you can't have corpmates with hangar access - but who's going to join a corp if they get nothing in return? So the idea is to get corpmates you can trust, and to not do something to risk that companionship. It's a razor-blade line to walk on I guess. GM fell way off by being a ****. ----- :::Need to be cleaned::: Sorry mods, hijack removed - blame the sig length limit. I thought you just didnt love us anymore - Tim I got cookies! - Deckard
Motorcycle Emptiness Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.03.31 16:16:00 - [183] I suggest to the OP that you use the 'stack all' feature before spam clicking to sell minerals. Flashing White Box (rank 1)
DarkElf Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.04.01 10:28:00 - [184] Originally by: Alaknor Dresden its so ironic, that the same pirates who will laude other pirates for scaming newbs, carebear corps, etc heap scorn on the OP. Personally i wouldn't have a go at someone for joining a corp with the intention of stealing from it and actually managing to do it. it's not nothing i personally would do but each to their own. The fact that he is trying to justify it by saying GM was mean to him is what annoys me. If that's the case then take it out on him no some of the others. And, on the other hand it makes me laugh how ppl here are saying a big 'well done' to the op just because it's snowy and they think "oh we don't like Snowy in eve do we " when they haven't a clue anything about them. I like things about them and dislike things about them myself. But backstabbing friends over something this petty is not something i hold much respect for tbh. The Duke has spoken DE
Benzmann Psychopathia	Posted - 2007.04.01 11:01:00 - [185] hahaha once again Ginger was wrong, he said that i would never get into another corp in eve :D but i joined a new one last night :P
zwerg Caldari OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.04.01 11:08:00 - [186] Originally by: Benzmann hahaha once again Ginger was wrong, he said that i would never get into another corp in eve :D but i joined a new one last night :P \o/ claps in his hands, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW im so impressed.
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.04.01 12:52:00 - [187] Originally by: DarkElf The Duke has spoken Oh dear...now he's getting into his role... And Benz your sig is brokey brokey... ----- :::Need to be cleaned::: Sorry mods, hijack removed - blame the sig length limit. I thought you just didnt love us anymore - Tim I got cookies! - Deckard
DarkElf Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2007.04.01 13:09:00 - [188] Originally by: Benzmann hahaha once again Ginger was wrong, he said that i would never get into another corp in eve :D but i joined a new one last night :P see he was quite obviously wrong there. What he should have said is that you will never get into a respectable well known corp (no offence to ur new corp) and you will never ever get hangar access or trust. But each to their own. DE
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.04.01 13:15:00 - [189] Originally by: DarkElf But each to his own. Fixed it for you...we're in Eve ffs. Hoping a little kid was riding that one, Kublai. I truly am a bastard. ----- :::Need to be cleaned::: Sorry mods, hijack removed - blame the sig length limit. I thought you just didnt love us anymore - Tim I got cookies! - Deckard
Benzmann Psychopathia	Posted - 2007.04.05 10:45:00 - [190] Originally by: Jex Jast Originally by: DarkElf The Duke has spoken . And Benz your sig is brokey brokey... got it fixed :P, thx zwerg :D

ry ry	Posted - 2007.04.05 11:18:00 - [191] whos ginger magician, what is october snow, and why on earth does everybody talk so much?
Saint Lazarus	Posted - 2007.04.05 11:37:00 - [192] Originally by: ry ry whos ginger magician, what is october snow, and why on earth does everybody talk so much? A loud mouth camper A loud mouth camping corp, with some presumably decent players but tarnished by the fact they're loud mouthes and camp all day thinking their all hardcore and what not Cause they get bored camping so they post alot :insert cool signature here:
Carbon Argon Minmatar The Brotherhood of the Wolf	Posted - 2007.04.05 11:41:00 - [193] Originally by: Tecknoblaze I have to agree that Ginger seems like a very reasonable person. I don't understand the support for the corp thief. I also fail to understand why people dislike Ginger based on his reputation...if anything, this post shows that he was being quite forgiving. 100% agreed, If someone stole ISK of me, and I knew it, I wouldn't be asking, I'd be hauling insults and trying to avoid various measures of hax0ring them and whatever other kinds of pain I could inflict - Here we see Ginger asking and curious as to why he had his corp money amateurishly stolen from him by someone that obviously lacked the simple communication skills to hold out for himself. Also, you had less than a million? I've been playing this game for 3 days, around 4 hours a day.. I have 92 million.. your doing something wrong mate. Quote: Life forms....You tiny little life forms.
ry ry	Posted - 2007.04.05 11:42:00 - [194] so a bit like The Caravan Club, but in space?
zwerg Caldari mUfFiN fAcToRy Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.05 11:45:00 - [195] Originally by: Benzmann hahaha once again Ginger was wrong, he said that i would never get into another corp in eve :D but i joined a new one last night :P uhm. yeah, stealing sig isnt very nice, but well hf with it, me thinks whole forum population knows that its mine
Trask Kilraen The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.05 13:21:00 - [196] An empire griefer pirate whining about a corp thief (and only 65 mill worth on one too)? LMAO. Suck it up Ginger. Karma is a B****!
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.05 13:26:00 - [197] Originally by: Trask Kilraen An empire griefer pirate whining about a corp thief (and only 65 mill worth on one too)? LMAO. Suck it up Ginger. Karma is a B****! So much for TOG being a mature corp
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.04.05 13:46:00 - [198] Originally by: Trask Kilraen An empire griefer pirate whining about a corp thief (and only 65 mill worth on one too)? LMAO. Suck it up Ginger. Karma is a B****! I know i don't that often stick up for Ginger but how exactly can you call hima griefer? he's a pirate, that's all. oh and a bit of a tool but he loves that DE courtesy of Raggii
Trask Kilraen The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.05 15:32:00 - [199] Originally by: Thread Winner Originally by: Trask Kilraen An empire griefer pirate whining about a corp thief (and only 65 mill worth on one too)? LMAO. Suck it up Ginger. Karma is a B****! So much for TOG being a mature corp Ginger gave a few of my corp mates a tough time a couple years ago when they were noobs. Fogive me for delighting in watching him wallow in his wanna-be badass persona. I just found it amusing: "I'm the best PVPer in EVE!!!! Gime me my 65 mill back!!!"
Trask Kilraen The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.05 15:36:00 - [200] Edited by: Trask Kilraen on 05/04/2007 15:32:28 DP

Trask Kilraen The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.05 15:42:00 - [201] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Trask Kilraen An empire griefer pirate whining about a corp thief (and only 65 mill worth on one too)? LMAO. Suck it up Ginger. Karma is a B****! I know i don't that often stick up for Ginger but how exactly can you call hima griefer? he's a pirate, that's all. oh and a bit of a tool but he loves that DE Don't get me wrong... I think priacy is a cool part of the game... not a part I indulge in (well not really anyway), but a necessary and exciting part. What Ginger and his boys do doesn't strike me as piracy though. It's griefing. He doesn't look for juicy targets likely to yield big ISK. He doesn't seek out high SP empire players willing to ransom their implants. He camps gates and ganks what he can so he can declare himself the best PVPer in Eve. That's a griefer in my book. But what the hell.... I never see the dude, so I don;t care fro the most part. Besides Privateers have stolen most of his Empire Griefer thunder. The rest of you pirate types, YARR! on my friends.
Kaaii Caldari Equilibrium LLC	Posted - 2007.04.05 16:05:00 - [202] Id have to agree with trask.. I liken them to a spider web. They never move, just wait lazyly for something to fly into the net. While it works for a spider, it surely doesn't indicate that the spider is the greatest "hunter" of the bug kingdom. Luck and time are all that the spider has going for it, same with OS. Thats not skill.... Trading 101 Kaaii-Net Research Labs
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.05 17:58:00 - [203] However, if you've got a longtime, trusted corp mate who you have a connection with, and they betray you, that's an entirely different story. At that point it's like "WTF...that came out of nowhere". If you can't trust anyone in Eve, you can't have corpmates with hangar access - but who's going to join a corp if they get nothing in return? That was my whole point in my previous post on this thread (forgive the late arrival I'm out of town.) If you have mistreated, or contributed to the mistreatment of a longtime trusted corpmate, you should expect reciprocity, not a simple "alright guys, it was fun and I'm leaving." Thus, trusting the OP as speaking truthfully, he is justified in stealing from Snowy. -Karlemgne Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
Agent Li Galactic Defence Consortium	Posted - 2007.04.05 18:16:00 - [204] Originally by: Karlemgne However, if you've got a longtime, trusted corp mate who you have a connection with, and they betray you, that's an entirely different story. At that point it's like "WTF...that came out of nowhere". If you can't trust anyone in Eve, you can't have corpmates with hangar access - but who's going to join a corp if they get nothing in return? That was my whole point in my previous post on this thread (forgive the late arrival I'm out of town.) If you have mistreated, or contributed to the mistreatment of a longtime trusted corpmate, you should expect reciprocity, not a simple "alright guys, it was fun and I'm leaving." Thus, trusting the OP as speaking truthfully, he is justified in stealing from Snowy. -Karlemgne Not enough reciprocity. It's not like he left in a carrier that wasn't his, blowing up stuff on his way out.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.06 06:37:00 - [205] Originally by: Agent Li Originally by: Karlemgne However, if you've got a longtime, trusted corp mate who you have a connection with, and they betray you, that's an entirely different story. At that point it's like "WTF...that came out of nowhere". If you can't trust anyone in Eve, you can't have corpmates with hangar access - but who's going to join a corp if they get nothing in return? That was my whole point in my previous post on this thread (forgive the late arrival I'm out of town.) If you have mistreated, or contributed to the mistreatment of a longtime trusted corpmate, you should expect reciprocity, not a simple "alright guys, it was fun and I'm leaving." Thus, trusting the OP as speaking truthfully, he is justified in stealing from Snowy. -Karlemgne Not enough reciprocity. It's not like he left in a carrier that wasn't his, blowing up stuff on his way out. Now that is a whole other issue. I agree, it probably isn't enough, however, it is funny to see Ginger, the self-proclaimed best and wealthiest pirate in eve complaining about 64 million isk. -Karlemgne Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.
LoganFire Amarr Quam Singulari Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:53:00 - [206] Originally by: TribalBleb WOW!! you have made yourself a whole 64mil - in return you can now get yourself a new character since you will never be able to join a corp ever again You do talk cr*p, this time next week we would have forgot his name, hell what is his name. Also this ginger sounds a door knob so who cares.
DarkElf Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:58:00 - [207] Originally by: Karlemgne Now that is a whole other issue. I agree, it probably isn't enough, however, it is funny to see Ginger, the self-proclaimed best and wealthiest pirate in eve complaining about 64 million isk. -Karlemgne i didn't see him complaining about 64mil isk anywhere. i saw him complaining about the hassle of having to replace all the ammo etc which is a pain and the fact he'd been betrayed etc. as i've said before Ginger acts like an ass on the forums because he loves it but stealing from ppl who are ur friends is kinda lame imo. DE courtesy of Raggii
Kalil d'Maelstromo The Establishment	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:04:00 - [208] Originally by: Peen Long **** **** > do u enjoy to mess with the best/ ** **** > ? ** **** > its not very good for your health Peen Long > I do have a slight cough Ahahahahaha. Thank you. Originally by:** Thor Xian I use a named WCS called "Situational Awareness".
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:03:00 - [209] Betraying friendship ftl. Betraying friendship for pocketchange and silly rhetorics is even worse. // ORE MONGERS // Recruiting now.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:18:00 - [210] Edited by: Karlemgne on 06/04/2007 17:15:32 Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Karlemgne i didn't see him complaining about 64mil isk anywhere. i saw him complaining about the hassle of having to replace all the ammo etc which is a pain and the fact he'd been betrayed etc. as i've said before Ginger acts like an ass on the forums because he loves it but stealing from ppl who are ur friends is kinda lame imo. First, the fact that Ginger is complaining at all about something as trivial as ammo, is funny. Second, the whole point to my participation on this thread is: If you treat your friends like ***, you constantly debase them, tell them they suck, yell at them on Ventrilo, et cetera you are being "kinda lame." If you do this to your corp mate or allow others in your corp* to do this to a corpmate, you should expect that corpmate to respond with like behavior (thus the OPs behavior.) -Karlemgne Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free.



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