You know, posting so that we can help you improve your experience is one thing. Posting to just complain because you didn't make the effort to get help (this is a help forum) makes me just want to recommend this thread for a lock. Really, you should ask for help here and at least try to implement the replies before ragequitting.

In other words you failed at your research, and therefore your conclusions are not valid.

The post is 100% fact, there is no "ragequitting" or "invalid conclusions", thank you for your opinions though :)

Are you going to stick around so I can address your post then. I'd love to help you guys, but if you're just drive-by-posting then I can't help you.

Also: if you could point me in the right direction, I will move the post (if possible)

fyi the new player experience is getting a massive overhaul in like a week or two

The post is 100% fact, there is no "ragequitting" or "invalid conclusions", thank you for your opinions though :)

[bad game] + [put anything here (including new player experience)] = [bad game]

If you are on trial, then this is the only forum you can post to.

[bad game] + [put anything here (including new player experience)] = [bad game]

also @Ralph King-Griffin, eve has been continually dying for the past several years, see these (more factual information):

http://jestertrek.com/eve/blog/2011/eve-players-2011.png

http://jestertrek.com/eve/players/eve-players-2015.png

Ok, I wanted to wait for some response like this before I decided to detail the OP on how to have a better Eve experience. But a reply like that pretty much says it all. It doesn't matter what we say, you made up your mind already and nothing will change it.

The factual footage made up others who agreed with us. I like though, how you think you can change facts, very interesting approach to a problem, reminds me of Spock.

I don't claim to change facts. I claim the ability to enable you to properly understand the relevance of those facts. You saw over 100 die and have no idea why. I know exactly why. I can explain a lot of your OP that you don't know, but...

So why did they die and what were their names, I will verify via the footage to see how valid your statements are.

I didn't say I knew their names.

You said "One time while in a 0.9 place, 11 red people came and tried to blow me up while i was in my hauler ship called the mammoth but I was already warping and when I went back there was wrecks of only a couple ships, so I almost died but I didn't."

If someone attacks you in HS, their ship WILL be blown up. There is no way around this. Sometimes you will arrive at a gate with hundreds of wrecks. This is known affectionately as a Concordokken. Any time a ship agresses illegally, concord will blow their ship up. This doesn't just include shooting players illegally, it can involve hitting neutral structures. Using a smart bomb or ECM Burst in HS can be ok, until you hit a neutral structure, then you find yourself in a pod and wondering why.

I'm starting to see why people told you to quit.

Oh I am sorry, I thought you said:

"You saw over 100 die [...] I know exactly why. ", I guess I was mistaken on what you said. I still wonder why all those people were blown up, also 52 of them are documented in 1.0 or 0.9 areas, there are more but they could not be identified in the video as a person or something else. If you somehow know about these 52 please explain.

Ok, maybe you just have poor communication skills. This is from the OP " Both of us never died even once, but we saw over 100 people who did and we have no idea why. One time while in a 0.9 place, 11 red people...(snip) " So grammatically, the "11 red people" is an example of the 100 people. So IF this is a valid example then I know exactly why the 100 died. Because the people in your example died from concord. If my answer is wrong, it can only be because your example is inaccurate. I don't have to specify 100 specific examples if the you do not specify 100 specific examples. In other words, an answer is given with the same degree of error as the question. If you want specifics, then you have to give specifics.

If you want to know why people die in a video, then you need to provide a link to the video.

#1 is not a problem, it's a strength. I'm almost three years into the game and have done a lot but there are still aspects to it I've never experienced. EVE doesn't really ever get old like you seem to be experiencing with LoL, unless you deliberately put yourself in a rut. And I personally like the lack of tutorials and guides, as it lets me experience the rush of discovery. Encountering the same ol' known thing over and over gets boring fast.

#2 I guess I got lucky by falling in to a group of folks who make it a point to welcome in and teach new players. Are you trying to go it alone? I suggest joining an established newbro alliance to start - then you'll have some great experience and enthusiasm to draw upon.

#3 Nothing fun to do? There's tons of fun to be had. PvP. War. Market manipulation. Propaganda creation. Surprise attacks. Home defense. Escaping surprise attacks. Watch a super take a gate and blap a frig. Cloak up a few thousand klicks from a 1000-person battle and watch the explosions, then ninja salvage valuable modules. What have you tried so far that you didn't have fun with?

#1: The game has no tutorials to guide the new player in any direction - even veterans we talked to said the career agents were tutorials but we got lost for days in them and did not learn anything new from them, besides the fact that this game is complex. While sometimes there were people in rookie help to help (like Mike and Seargent), that is ridiculous that a game is so hard to learn that other players have to waste their own time to show people how to play!

#2: The only people supporting this game recommended both of us to quit constantly. For example, If you check the top bounty hunters (if you can figure out how to), all of them say to quit the game in their biography. Even a hacker who called themselves a GM (which I guess is from a high corporation or something lol) tried to answer some questions and said something like "I'm here to see how you like the game" but they were not interested when we tried to chat with them and they just left in the middle of our frustration with a response like "too bad for you I g2g, cya", basically it felt like they were like, "yup. more people who are obviously going to quit like they should, why bother swaying their opinion"

#3: There is nothing really fun to do within the game: almost everything that we learned that looked fun was so risky that everybody who came by told us we were idiots. Both of us never died even once, but we saw over 100 people who did and we have no idea why. One time while in a 0.9 place, 11 red people came and tried to blow me up while i was in my hauler ship called the mammoth but I was already warping and when I went back there was wrecks of only a couple ships, so I almost died but I didn't. Even though we never died the risk is stupid high! Everyone who we asked to join our corporation said very reasonable excuses like, "no, for sure will your company will go to war, I have been playing for 10+ years", that is just stupid.

The reason you kept being kicked is obvious,
You're confrontational, argumentative and
Simply looking for your preconceived notions about how this game should be to be affirmed.

The reason you kept being kicked is obvious,
You're confrontational, argumentative and
Simply looking for your preconceived notions about how this game should be to be affirmed.

In the space of about 40minets you managed to hack off two of the most patient and well intentioned people on the forums.

Stop demanding the game cater to you, stop the aggressive attitude twords the community, it's largely dictating our reaction to you
And we ARE eve.