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Mara Jeda Lasers for Money 0	Posted - 2016.11.01 23:36:12 - [1] - Quote So I'm a small solo player that plays mostly on my own with a few RL friends here and there, I mine mostly and to transport it and add some value I compress it, maybe pop into WH space and find some rare ore, turning the POS off when I'm done, its quite easy to manage, and my friends benifit. There was another topic that addressed compression of ore but it was locked, with concluding citadels wont replace POS. lol yet in December we wont be able to place down another POS, and now an engineering complex, the cheapest of which is 700mil is the only alternative, and it seems hardly mobile and 7x more expensive. Do they have compression modules, or am I missing something? Is this basically going to kill off small corps that want to be nomadic and plot down a small POS? end me and my friends way of playing?
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY Domestic Disturbance 348	Posted - 2016.11.02 00:10:27 - [2] - Quote Mara Jeda wrote: So I'm a small solo player that plays mostly on my own with a few RL friends here and there, I mine mostly and to transport it and add some value I compress it, maybe pop into WH space and find some rare ore, turning the POS off when I'm done, its quite easy to manage, and my friends benifit. There was another topic that addressed compression of ore but it was locked, with concluding citadels wont replace POS. lol yet in December we wont be able to place down another POS, and now an engineering complex, the cheapest of which is 700mil is the only alternative, and it seems hardly mobile and 7x more expensive. Do they have compression modules, or am I missing something? Is this basically going to kill off small corps that want to be nomadic and plot down a small POS? end me and my friends way of playing? Citadels can compress ore. You can go to most hisec citadels and compress them. Otherwise, if you dont want to spend 700 mill i suggest you make friends that actually matter, or possibly hammer out a deal to use a friendly citadel in a wh. Eve at its core is a multiplayer game, so, you know, its harder to go it alone.
Cristl 509	Posted - 2016.11.02 00:30:39 - [3] - Quote Mara Jeda wrote: ... in December we wont be able to place down another POS Outposts cannot be put down after December, POS aren't going just yet
Kaivarian Coste Stellar Supply 94	Posted - 2016.11.02 04:00:11 - [4] - Quote Citadels with ore compression are pretty common throughout high sec these days.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1054	Posted - 2016.11.02 05:08:22 - [5] - Quote This is what some of my alts have been doing currently. Hunting for Citadels that have compression that are nearby and simply hauling there and compressing and then hauling the entire load elsewhere. Usually its only a jump or two at most. Youd be surprised at what regions are empty of citadels, what regions are filled with them caldari, and it gives you a bit more intel and lay of the land regarding whos around in that space even as a nomadic tribal player this is a must. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Mara Jeda Lasers for Money 0	Posted - 2016.11.02 06:43:43 - [6] - Quote Alright i must have missed somewhere that said citadels would have compression capabilities, and i have largely ignored them as simply player run stations that will probably tax me in some way. I'm assuming this will pass on to Engineering complexes. In terms of wondering around I guess our days of ploping down a POS in a system and exploring around are done (past December but still sometime in the future it will be through ) . Though I like Eternus8lux8lucis's suggestion.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1055	Posted - 2016.11.02 06:46:46 - [7] - Quote Nope, no cost, no taxes involved. Just show info on any citadels in system and go to services. If a reprocessing module is present and you can dock at it you can store ore and compress free of charge there. Your only concern will be if they make docking rights unavailable to you in the future as for storage of goods there. Im uncertain how fast a public citadel can be made private and Ive seen some Ive used in the past lose the service module, either by taking it out or running out of fuel. But other than these issues dock, compress and haul away. All just a simple right click away. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 226	Posted - 2016.11.02 20:03:37 - [8] - Quote which is all pretty dumb. Giving away services for free when you could charge and get money? Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 719	Posted - 2016.11.02 20:35:14 - [9] - Quote The short answer is yes, they are greatly nerfing smaller group, nomadic lifestyles. Most people ignore this given it's not a playstyle a lot of people do. Unless something significantly changes, what you're doing now is going to get significantly more difficult after POSes go away (which is later than december, as was mentioned)
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY Domestic Disturbance 349	Posted - 2016.11.03 10:07:12 - [10] - Quote 13kr1d1 wrote: which is all pretty dumb. Giving away services for free when you could charge and get money? Some charge money as tax. Its usually very very little though. If you come upon a high tax citadel, try negotiating with the corp in question to get blue status.
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY Domestic Disturbance 349	Posted - 2016.11.03 10:13:35 - [11] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: The short answer is yes, they are greatly nerfing smaller group, nomadic lifestyles. Most people ignore this given it's not a playstyle a lot of people do. Unless something significantly changes, what you're doing now is going to get significantly more difficult after POSes go away (which is later than december, as was mentioned) My alt is a solo operative, and yet i can easily afford 700-800 mill. Infact i build all my T2 battleships/battlecruisers and saved atleast 1 bill so far so. To be honest, any small corp should be able to afford an overhead cost of around 700-800 mill easily. Its not that much. I think the fact that corps can be created with only a couple million isk, gives people the impression that anyone should be able to start a corp if they want to, but in reality, this only creates sh*t corps.
Andreve en Distel Eretsu-Prishta Industries 0	Posted - 2016.11.03 11:13:51 - [12] - Quote Just to chime in a bit, if you're mainly looking at compressing and reprocessing ore, don't get too discouraged yet. CCP Fozzie confirmed that the Drilling Platforms due sometime this winter will be the actual structures bonused for reprocessing (and by extension, compression, since both services are currently tied into one service module). I don't know if they talked about Drilling Platforms at Eve Vegas, but I feel like there's a good chance they'll be a step down in size/cost from the Citadels and Engineering Complexes both in initial cost and operations expenses. Of course, I could be completely wrong and they'll suck. But let's see what CCP has in store for us with the Drilling Platforms.
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 720	Posted - 2016.11.03 14:02:01 - [13] - Quote Solonius Rex wrote: Sonya Corvinus wrote: The short answer is yes, they are greatly nerfing smaller group, nomadic lifestyles. Most people ignore this given it's not a playstyle a lot of people do. Unless something significantly changes, what you're doing now is going to get significantly more difficult after POSes go away (which is later than december, as was mentioned) My alt is a solo operative, and yet i can easily afford 700-800 mill. Infact i build all my T2 battleships/battlecruisers and saved atleast 1 bill so far so. To be honest, any small corp should be able to afford an overhead cost of around 700-800 mill easily. Its not that much. I think the fact that corps can be created with only a couple million isk, gives people the impression that anyone should be able to start a corp if they want to, but in reality, this only creates sh*t corps. It's not the pricetag as much as the week long unanchoring time that kills nomadic play
Solonius Rex F0RCED ENTRY Domestic Disturbance 350	Posted - 2016.11.04 04:00:05 - [14] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: Solonius Rex wrote: Sonya Corvinus wrote: The short answer is yes, they are greatly nerfing smaller group, nomadic lifestyles. Most people ignore this given it's not a playstyle a lot of people do. Unless something significantly changes, what you're doing now is going to get significantly more difficult after POSes go away (which is later than december, as was mentioned) My alt is a solo operative, and yet i can easily afford 700-800 mill. Infact i build all my T2 battleships/battlecruisers and saved atleast 1 bill so far so. To be honest, any small corp should be able to afford an overhead cost of around 700-800 mill easily. Its not that much. I think the fact that corps can be created with only a couple million isk, gives people the impression that anyone should be able to start a corp if they want to, but in reality, this only creates sh*t corps. It's not the pricetag as much as the week long unanchoring time that kills nomadic play You cant expect to be a nomad AND have a house.
Soldarius O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore 1539	Posted - 2016.11.04 14:27:28 - [15] - Quote Mara Jeda wrote: yet in December we wont be able to place down another POS This is incorrect. You are confusing a POS with a station. POS is Player Owned Starbase. Stations are the permanent structures in which you can dock, trade, repair, etc. http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 730	Posted - 2016.11.04 15:26:16 - [16] - Quote Solonius Rex wrote: You cant expect to be a nomad AND have a house. We have been able to do it for years with small POSes.
Mara Jeda Lasers for Money 0	Posted - 2016.11.05 03:30:26 - [17] - Quote Andreve en Distel wrote: Just to chime in a bit, if you're mainly looking at compressing and reprocessing ore, don't get too discouraged yet. CCP Fozzie confirmed that the Drilling Platforms due sometime this winter will be the actual structures bonused for reprocessing (and by extension, compression, since both services are currently tied into one service module). I don't know if they talked about Drilling Platforms at Eve Vegas, but I feel like there's a good chance they'll be a step down in size/cost from the Citadels and Engineering Complexes both in initial cost and operations expenses. Of course, I could be completely wrong and they'll suck. But let's see what CCP has in store for us with the Drilling Platforms. That is true, Drilling platforms might bring back nomadic game play depending on how they work. If they dont have a week long anchoring process , putting price aside, would allow us to move around a bit more, without being dependent on citadels and engineering complexes.
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 177	Posted - 2016.11.05 13:42:14 - [18] - Quote Solonius Rex wrote: Sonya Corvinus wrote: Solonius Rex wrote: Sonya Corvinus wrote: The short answer is yes, they are greatly nerfing smaller group, nomadic lifestyles. Most people ignore this given it's not a playstyle a lot of people do. Unless something significantly changes, what you're doing now is going to get significantly more difficult after POSes go away (which is later than december, as was mentioned) My alt is a solo operative, and yet i can easily afford 700-800 mill. Infact i build all my T2 battleships/battlecruisers and saved atleast 1 bill so far so. To be honest, any small corp should be able to afford an overhead cost of around 700-800 mill easily. Its not that much. I think the fact that corps can be created with only a couple million isk, gives people the impression that anyone should be able to start a corp if they want to, but in reality, this only creates sh*t corps. It's not the pricetag as much as the week long unanchoring time that kills nomadic play You cant expect to be a nomad AND have a house. It's called a tent. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1075	Posted - 2016.11.05 17:32:52 - [19] - Quote The issue isnt so much the price tag its how easily its attackable and how hard it is to pick up and move around. This was something CCP intended, you cant have it unless you defend it, but in doing so have nerfed a playstyle quite seriously. Balance is hard and itll never be right regardless of how well thought out imo. It was too easy to dodge things but also it is too easy to attack things, this being a game attacking and fun go hand in hand so its sort of a nature of the beast issue for me. I have actually been surprised at how many citadels have gone up around high sec and how many have stayed public. And here I thought Penirgman was station busy but Perimeter will give it a go soon enough. I was always worried about the space junk on overviews though but we shall see in the future. Engineering complexs are supposed to be cheaper but who knows if they will have shorter tear down times. But the way CCP is heading is to make everything destructible and then watch null burn high sec when theres no recourse and then farm out, aka tax heavily, all high sec into oblivion and make it like the null lite renter area. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Princess Adhara University of Caille Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2016.11.05 23:25:55 - [20] - Quote Solonius Rex wrote: You cant expect to be a nomad AND have a house. Nomadic people have no interest in houses (stations/citadels). Nomadic people care about tents (pos'es), temporary structures that are not as comfortable as houses, but can be taken down and moved away very quickly and easily. CCP decided people can be settlers (citadel builders) instead of only crashing into other people's homes (npc stations). I don't see a reason to forbid people to be nomads and force them to be settlers. Forcing people into a single playstyle is the halmark of theme park games, not sandboxes.
Mara Jeda Lasers for Money 0	Posted - 2016.11.07 18:50:41 - [21] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: The issue isnt so much the price tag its how easily its attackable and how hard it is to pick up and move around. This was something CCP intended, you cant have it unless you defend it, but in doing so have nerfed a playstyle quite seriously. Balance is hard and itll never be right regardless of how well thought out imo. It was too easy to dodge things but also it is too easy to attack things, this being a game attacking and fun go hand in hand so its sort of a nature of the beast issue for me. I have actually been surprised at how many citadels have gone up around high sec and how many have stayed public. And here I thought Penirgman was station busy but Perimeter will give it a go soon enough. I was always worried about the space junk on overviews though but we shall see in the future. Engineering complexs are supposed to be cheaper but who knows if they will have shorter tear down times. But the way CCP is heading is to make everything destructible and then watch null burn high sec when theres no recourse and then farm out, aka tax heavily, all high sec into oblivion and make it like the null lite renter area. Do they really want to do away with NPC stations??? where are they just hinting at that or is just wild speculation ive read around
Alana Packham Wardec Solutions 16	Posted - 2016.11.07 21:18:04 - [22] - Quote For the solo/small fleet miner POS's were brilliant, up and down anywhere there's room, carry it in your orca or hauler and low costs even if destroyed, the problem was that people liked them. CCP are like your local supermarket, as soon as you find something you like they replace it with something more expensive that isn't what you want, and either doesn't do the job or tastes like cardboard. Start saying you like billion isk citadels that take forever to put up and down, can be seen instantly by everyone and can't do a fraction of what a POS did. They might just replace them in a few years with a new system, the Player Owned Station.... and as for the question, as people have said any citadel with reprocessing activated has free ore compressing. Its not that the Dev's have never been hi-sec miners, more that if they ever admitted it they'd be designing new pattern's in the dust as they sweep the car park. Would you employ someone who spends all day mining in hi?
Rasputin Demonde Pagan Products 11	Posted - 2016.11.08 03:17:24 - [23] - Quote CCP has their head so far up the larger null corps arses , that they are losing the pay to play casual , and high sec players . Like myself . I have been playing and paying since open beta , and when my sub is up in Feb. I will not be paying to play anymore . I am sick of the constant nerf/buff , and changes made to the game for isk destruction, all in CCPs favor .
Rage Guy Heimatar Hull Mining Group 2	Posted - 2016.11.08 10:46:27 - [24] - Quote Rasputin Demonde wrote: CCP has their head so far up the larger null corps arses , that they are losing the pay to play casual , and high sec players . Like myself . I have been playing and paying since open beta , and when my sub is up in Feb. I will not be paying to play anymore . I am sick of the constant nerf/buff , and changes made to the game for isk destruction, all in CCPs favor . It's all about skins and AUR store monocles these days.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 1935	Posted - 2016.11.08 11:39:09 - [25] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: Solonius Rex wrote: You cant expect to be a nomad AND have a house. We have been able to do it for years with small POSes. We (nullseccers) lived without Fozzie-fatique for years.... But times changing.... Don't expect something to be broken forever The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Hal Morsh Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem 551	Posted - 2016.11.11 02:36:08 - [26] - Quote 13kr1d1 wrote: which is all pretty dumb. Giving away services for free when you could charge and get money? If you can get a system with good belts and wardec anyone elses citadel out of system you're laughing. Can you charge for compression? Being sapient can drive us mad.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1083	Posted - 2016.11.11 04:01:53 - [27] - Quote Mara Jeda wrote: Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: The issue isnt so much the price tag its how easily its attackable and how hard it is to pick up and move around. This was something CCP intended, you cant have it unless you defend it, but in doing so have nerfed a playstyle quite seriously. Balance is hard and itll never be right regardless of how well thought out imo. It was too easy to dodge things but also it is too easy to attack things, this being a game attacking and fun go hand in hand so its sort of a nature of the beast issue for me. I have actually been surprised at how many citadels have gone up around high sec and how many have stayed public. And here I thought Penirgman was station busy but Perimeter will give it a go soon enough. I was always worried about the space junk on overviews though but we shall see in the future. Engineering complexs are supposed to be cheaper but who knows if they will have shorter tear down times. But the way CCP is heading is to make everything destructible and then watch null burn high sec when theres no recourse and then farm out, aka tax heavily, all high sec into oblivion and make it like the null lite renter area. Do they really want to do away with NPC stations??? where are they just hinting at that or is just wild speculation ive read around Afaik no there is no reason to remove NPC stations but the tax incentives to use citadels will likely only increase rather than decrease until only citadel usage will be cost efficient. Which then makes anyone playing, even in high sec, vulnerable to someone else telling them how to play and what to pay. CCP doesnt seem to care about this part of the player base imo that wants freedom and autonomy. Power, greed and crushing control is much more apt in this dark dystopian universe we call Eve. The dark gods of the underworld come to life and ruling over billions and trillions of people forever while the average man dies under the brutal weight of the yolk placed around their neck from cradle to the grave, short and filled with misery, hunger and death. @Hal Morsh: not that I know of but you can charge for docking and such things Im sure or work out a deal with the owners on a monthly basis. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.

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