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Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.28 18:59:00 - [1] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 28/03/2007 18:56:43 Have anybody in the community tried this If so what are your experience with a setup. I am just curius, because i saw a DEMO of Linux running on a PS3. Originally by: Jiekon/CCP If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
Alekzander Caldari Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.28 19:24:00 - [2] At the moment, eve doesn't like linux, nor will it because I have not heard anything from CCP about porting a linux client. So your stuck with a build of linux that can handle windows programs. As to the PS3, I don't own one, so I can't say anything about that.
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.03.28 19:25:00 - [3] IBDS. Had to be said. Originally by: Dark Shikari Anyone comparing CCP to a glacier is really not being fair to the glacier. Tripping The Rift Since 2005
Nyana	Posted - 2007.03.28 19:25:00 - [4] Won't work; PS3 isn't x86.
Dr Shameless Skull Soft Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.03.28 19:39:00 - [5] Edited by: Dr Shameless on 28/03/2007 19:35:19 linux isnt fixed on x86, there have always been versions for different architectures List
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.28 19:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Alekzander At the moment, eve doesn't like linux, nor will it because I have not heard anything from CCP about porting a linux client. So your stuck with a build of linux that can handle windows programs. As to the PS3, I don't own one, so I can't say anything about that. EVE works fine on Linux with WINE... but it sure as hell won't run on a PS3! WINE is a compatibility layer, not an emulator, so the only way you could run it on a PS3 is with x86 emulation, which would be so unbelievably slow that I'm not sure it could load the login screen. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Paigan Amarr Katsu Corporation Pure.	Posted - 2007.03.28 19:52:00 - [7] Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 28/03/2007 18:56:43 Have anybody in the community tried this If so what are your experience with a setup. I am just curius, because i saw a DEMO of Linux running on a PS3. What's the point of turning a game console into a pseudo-PC. If one wants a PC, he/she should buy one. This sounds like saying "hey what about linking two motor bikes toegether to have a car!" -- This game is still in beta stage
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.28 19:54:00 - [8] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 28/03/2007 19:54:17 Originally by: Paigan Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 28/03/2007 18:56:43 Have anybody in the community tried this If so what are your experience with a setup. I am just curius, because i saw a DEMO of Linux running on a PS3. What's the point of turning a game console into a pseudo-PC. If one wants a PC, he/she should buy one. This sounds like saying "hey what about linking two motor bikes toegether to have a car!" I am merely curius, if it could be done, i would try it out, no harm, in having a PS3 and be able to play EVE on it, would be kewl, on a big screen HDTV Originally by: Jiekon/CCP If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
Motorcycle Emptiness Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.03.28 19:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Paigan Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 28/03/2007 18:56:43 Have anybody in the community tried this If so what are your experience with a setup. I am just curius, because i saw a DEMO of Linux running on a PS3. What's the point of turning a game console into a pseudo-PC. If one wants a PC, he/she should buy one. This sounds like saying "hey what about linking two motor bikes toegether to have a car!" I remember all the hype from fanbois about the Ps3 back in late '06, now they are on sale in Europe they are dropping off the shelves like very thick treacle 'cos they are so damn expensive, thanks to their trying to be some kind of entertainment centre instead of a damn games console. Flashing White Box (rank 1)
Nymos Fimbulvintr	Posted - 2007.03.28 20:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Gone'Postal IBDS. Had to be said. wow you really beat him --

Benco97 Gallente Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.03.28 20:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Paigan What's the point of turning a game console into a pseudo-PC. If one wants a PC, he/she should buy one. This sounds like saying "hey what about linking two motor bikes toegether to have a car!" I see what you're talking about but... to be honest... the bike thing, best idea ever! Although I do agree ;p "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
Motorcycle Emptiness Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.03.28 20:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Nymos Originally by: Gone'Postal IBDS. Had to be said. wow you really beat him does that mean in before dark shikari? hahaha Flashing White Box (rank 1)
The Pointless Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd	Posted - 2007.03.28 20:51:00 - [13] Edited by: The Pointless on 28/03/2007 20:53:51 Originally by: Paigan What's the point of turning a game console into a pseudo-PC. If one wants a PC, he/she should buy one. More of a "fun" thing... a hobby, if you will. (Although I've heard no end of Micro Mart banging on about running Amiga OS on PS3, like it should be used as a proper comp.) ----------------------------------------------- I'd rather be a jack of all trades than a master of one.
Qolde Minmatar Guardian Heroes Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.28 20:55:00 - [14] The processor in the PS3 could probably handle x86 emulation if Eve supported multithreads. The processor is really powerful. They had 1 Cell processor (the one in PS3) run 12 HDTV streams at once without a hiccup. Also, the PS3 is more of a computer than a gaming engine because of the processor they use in it. The processor is used in high end SMP arrays, and the PS3 is the first consumer product featuring the extra powerful processor. It's expensive for a game machine, but it's really a low end supercomputer, so it's entirely worth it, as it completely blows away the processors in both the Wii and the Xbox 360. The Wii has the worst processor of the three, but I would still prefer it over the Xbox, due to the Xbox 1 having only 2-3 good games in it's career of losing money for MS(though for MS that means jack **** at the moment), and Nintendo's record of bringing decent memorable games to the table even with lower powered hardware.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.28 21:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Qolde The processor in the PS3 could probably handle x86 emulation if Eve supported multithreads. The processor is really powerful. They had 1 Cell processor (the one in PS3) run 12 HDTV streams at once without a hiccup. Also, the PS3 is more of a computer than a gaming engine because of the processor they use in it. The processor is used in high end SMP arrays, and the PS3 is the first consumer product featuring the extra powerful processor. It's expensive for a game machine, but it's really a low end supercomputer, so it's entirely worth it, as it completely blows away the processors in both the Wii and the Xbox 360. The Wii has the worst processor of the three, but I would still prefer it over the Xbox, due to the Xbox 1 having only 2-3 good games in it's career of losing money for MS(though for MS that means jack **** at the moment), and Nintendo's record of bringing decent memorable games to the table even with lower powered hardware. The PS3 is an incredibly powerful floating point processor. At everything else, it can only use its single main core, which is mediocre alone. Floating point operations are very useful for decoding video and rendering graphics, but a great deal of processing uses other operations. This is one reason why PS3 developers are having a great deal of difficulty fitting good AI into their games; the processor is just too slow. And comparing the PS3 to an Xbox isn't fair; you're comparing a processor that's doing both the processing and graphics work to just a processor alone. The entire PS3 is easily outclassed by an 8800GTX in terms of raw floating point performance, if I remember correctly. The irony is that the Xbox 360 versions of PS3 games end up looking better (see the various reviews on the topic--its sort of dissapointing) because the PS3 is harder to program for. In terms of raw floating point power, the Cell is amazing. But its not a magic bullet in any sense of the term. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Xs 142	Posted - 2007.03.28 21:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Dark Shikari The PS3 is an incredibly powerful floating point processor. At everything else, it can only use its single main core, which is mediocre alone. Floating point operations are very useful for decoding video and rendering graphics, but a great deal of processing uses other operations. This is one reason why PS3 developers are having a great deal of difficulty fitting good AI into their games; the processor is just too slow. And comparing the PS3 to an Xbox isn't fair; you're comparing a processor that's doing both the processing and graphics work to just a processor alone. The entire PS3 is easily outclassed by an 8800GTX in terms of raw floating point performance, if I remember correctly. The irony is that the Xbox 360 versions of PS3 games end up looking better (see the various reviews on the topic--its sort of dissapointing) because the PS3 is harder to program for. In terms of raw floating point power, the Cell is amazing. But its not a magic bullet in any sense of the term. Couldn't you just have said "PS3 sucks"? Originally by: Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.28 21:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Xs 142 Couldn't you just have said "PS3 sucks"? But it doesn't. So, not really, no. Its just that Sony hyped it up to be some godly machine of doom, but its not. Its just a good processor. Not some incredible ownage machine that outpowers entire cities full of computers. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.28 21:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Paigan What's the point of turning a game console into a pseudo-PC. If one wants a PC, he/she should buy one. Because instead of F1, F2, F3, that would be Circle, X, Square, Triangle... :) ----- History is made by whinners
Mister Locke Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.28 22:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Paigan What's the point of turning a game console into a pseudo-PC. If one wants a PC, he/she should buy one. Because instead of F1, F2, F3, that would be Circle, X, Square, Triangle... :) Or possibly Up-Up-Down-Down-Left-Right-Left-Right B, A, Start. --- --Any sufficiently advanced bureaucracy is indistinguishable from molasses.--
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.28 22:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Paigan Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 28/03/2007 18:56:43 Have anybody in the community tried this If so what are your experience with a setup. I am just curius, because i saw a DEMO of Linux running on a PS3. What's the point of turning a game console into a pseudo-PC. If one wants a PC, he/she should buy one. This sounds like saying "hey what about linking two motor bikes toegether to have a car!" Well (and heres an irony for you), it'd be alot cheaper if it did work. Assuming it could just be made to run it exactly as well as XP can: for a high end gaming computer you could easily total ú1000 without too much of a splurge. PS3, in all it's supercomputer glory (yes yes, I heard you DS) is only ú500 or so. Of course we've all already said it WOULDN'T work, but if only it did --------

Ryysa North Face Force Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.28 22:49:00 - [21] Btw, you need a bit more than flops to do x86 emulation, so I doubt PS3 could get anywhere far. If you want to play eve on hdtv, just buy a good graphics card and hook your computer up to it... :) As for the consoles, I don't play any of them, but Wii looks like the most fun. If I want uber graphics and stuff, I can always get a PC with highend specs and it will most likely look a lot better :) N.F.F. Recruitment
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.28 23:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Ryysa Btw, you need a bit more than flops to do x86 emulation, so I doubt PS3 could get anywhere far. If you want to play eve on hdtv, just buy a good graphics card and hook your computer up to it... :) As for the consoles, I don't play any of them, but Wii looks like the most fun. If I want uber graphics and stuff, I can always get a PC with highend specs and it will most likely look a lot better :) I allready have an highend GFC and HDTV, its not the problem, i was merely curius, if it could be done.....I guess it cant yet. Originally by: Jiekon/CCP If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.03.29 00:04:00 - [23] Edited by: Dred''Pirate Jesus on 29/03/2007 00:01:43 Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich I am merely curius, if it could be done, i would try it out, no harm, in having a PS3 and be able to play EVE on it, would be kewl, on a big screen HDTV I already play Eve on an HDTV.. (Sony 4ms 35" LCD 1080P 1920x1080 OMG its fluffy..) All you need is one with a VGA PC input and all the new ones did when I went shopping last week.. Have a friend with a DLP 57" with a PC DVI input and its just jaw dropping to say the least.. Granted he payed almost 3 times as much as I did so it should.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
CrazyChinchilla Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.29 00:44:00 - [24] Sorry its not possible. While you can boot to basically any OS you'd like on the PS3 it restricts access to the video card and only allows you to use I think its half the RAM. This means anything like games is basically impossible. Sucks real bad, I have one and was sorting hoping it would work but from what I've heard your gonna have to wait for some people to hack it first.
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.29 05:20:00 - [25] Originally by: CrazyChinchilla Sorry its not possible. While you can boot to basically any OS you'd like on the PS3 it restricts access to the video card and only allows you to use I think its half the RAM. This means anything like games is basically impossible. Sucks real bad, I have one and was sorting hoping it would work but from what I've heard your gonna have to wait for some people to hack it first. Well its still in early release, so maybe when PS3 V 2 comes on the shelves....Would have been hapy to use the PS3 as a mediacenter isnstead of a pc. and play EVE on it. Originally by: Jiekon/CCP If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
Svengali Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2007.03.29 09:04:00 - [26] Edited by: Svengali on 29/03/2007 09:03:27 The RSX isnt accessible to Linux right now. You get a virtualized (still fast though) 1280x720 frame buffer. What you could do though is emulate the GPU with the SPUs. Do triangle rasterization on tiles given to each SPU, then blit them to the screen when done. The 6 (accessible) SPU's are a bit more than mere floating point processors. They excel at all sort of stream processing, including integer. They have tons of crazy restrictions and such however, which make them tricky to program for. They have a small working memory, and tend to work best if you give them little chunks of code and data, then let them chew on it for a while. That being said, they wouldnt make great x86 emulators. And despite the PS3 supporting mouse and keyboard, the market isnt really there for something like Eve. As fun as it would be to port. You could do all sorts of fancy things with the graphics engine. You could run finite element analysis on hits and generate new broken geometry (we (insomniac games) had something like this for the glass in Resistance). Good times. Im going to be setting up linux on mine soon. You can access the full power of the SPUs in Linux, which makes it fun to experiment with. Sadly, I dont get to touch the SPUs much in my day job. Other people get all the fun. Details on various ps3 things here (ie SPU programming, linux for ps3 etc): http://www.cellperformance.com/articles/ Hurray for competition. -- Worked on the ps3 in another life.
CodeR70 Gallente The Dutch	Posted - 2007.03.29 09:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Paigan Originally by: Einheriar Ulrich Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 28/03/2007 18:56:43 Have anybody in the community tried this If so what are your experience with a setup. I am just curius, because i saw a DEMO of Linux running on a PS3. What's the point of turning a game console into a pseudo-PC. If one wants a PC, he/she should buy one. This sounds like saying "hey what about linking two motor bikes toegether to have a car!" And still we have cameras in mobile phones, mp3 players that have calculators, games in sat boxes, etc.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.03.29 10:19:00 - [28] Someone buy me a PS3 and I will reply with some photos Help me help you .

Daemesa D'Aragon	Posted - 2007.03.29 10:22:00 - [29] / plays missions imposible tune for chribba. if he can¦t do it no one cans
Raekone	Posted - 2007.03.29 10:37:00 - [30] So what you're saying is, basically, apart from PS3 exclusive titles, the 360 will always out do the PS3 on equal ground? Because I was THIS close to getting myself a PS3 :(



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