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Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2011.12.23 22:07:00 -
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Was it by design or did it just evolve that way?
BTW, is there a low/null sec equivalent? Should there be? |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
271
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Posted - 2011.12.23 22:09:00 -
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It evolved that way. More or less due to ease of access to missions back in the day. If it was deliberate it would be a neutral system dead center of the EvE universe.
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX!
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Dradius Calvantia
Creative Cookie Procuring
Rote Kapelle
175
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Posted - 2011.12.23 22:11:00 -
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It used to be Yulai, however CCP broke that trade hub up. |
Emiko Luan
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
14
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Posted - 2011.12.23 22:13:00 -
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I don't think you can get a trade hub when any hauler is free to gank :p And yes Jita was self creating. Trade hubs are one of those shining examples of sandbox in action imo. No silly auction house building, just a station that players picked. I'm glad it didn't have an unwieldy name...
+welcome to my world+
http://venomzer0.deviantart.com |
First Lieutenant Dan
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.23 22:13:00 -
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3 Regions Joined within 1 jump of each other (Jita in The Forge, Muvolailen in The Citadel, Sobaseki in Lonetrek)
Network Effect (most commonly noted and also known as network externality)
Bandwagon Effect (also known as Social Proof)
Hotelling Effect (also known as Location model, SalopGÇÖs Circle Model, etc)
A large percentage of players are Caldari and live in Caldari Space nearby Jita. This is mostly a legacy effect- for a long time, Achura characters had more desirable attributes than most other bloodlines, and prior to that Civire were seen as a somewhat "better" choice for combat pilots and Deteis were popular as industry characters, combined with the early Raven's general power as a combat and mission-running vessel.
Player's Broker Fees, can be reduced with Faction standing and Corporation standing vs. the particular Jita station owner. (Caldari Navy, & Caldari State)
Jita has 6 stations that provide Science and Industry Manufacturing slots (50 spots each station)
Jita has many stations that provide reprocessing facilities.
Jita has Caldari Navy Loyalty point stores
Jita used to provide missions, but no longer does (in order to help keep lag down).
Jita used to provide mineable asteroid belts, but they have been permanently depleted by player over-mining (as decreed
by CCP) - another first for Jita.
Copy n' paste ftw. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
670
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Posted - 2011.12.23 22:13:00 -
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Location Location Location.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex
Cosmic Consortium
366
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Posted - 2011.12.23 22:37:00 -
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Everyone goes to Jita because everyone goes to Jita. |
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
Care Factor
41
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Posted - 2011.12.23 22:56:00 -
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It's sort of a social perpetuum mobile.
Once it was put in motion as a hub, if there is no other interferance than the current environment - it will continue to grow.
All it needed was the best location at that time. Now people just go there because of the gravity of money. You can sell everything in jita. You can buy everything in jita. Thanks to those two things and the amounts of liquid isk in that 4-4 station - there is no reason why one should not use jita 4-4 if he's new or old.
Naturally there are still other smaller hubs, but those are maintained also by the laws of the market (better to buy more expensive here and instantly grind more isk than go a long way, get back and effectively after the time - be with less money) and the social aspect of people being lazy as **** and not wanting to go more than 2-3 jumps to get their item.
"Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976 |
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
395
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Posted - 2011.12.23 23:00:00 -
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It just is
5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me! |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
170
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Posted - 2011.12.23 23:47:00 -
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Some of us still hang out in Yulai, smoking the pipe and reminiscent happier times.
Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
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Posted - 2011.12.23 23:51:00 -
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First Lieutenant Dan wrote: 3 Regions Joined within 1 jump of each other (Jita in The Forge, Muvolailen in The Citadel, Sobaseki in Lonetrek)
This is the reason I go there.
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Cryten Jones
Advantage Inc
The Matari Consortium
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Posted - 2011.12.24 00:18:00 -
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Nonni was also a hub at one point way back when. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
136
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Posted - 2011.12.24 00:20:00 -
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I used to travel to Jita, then I took an arrow in the knee.
(Actually I joined FW)
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Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.12.24 00:22:00 -
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The "super-highway" gate system that led from empire to empire used to be arranged such that to travel from one empire's space to anothers, you HAD to go thru a system called YULAI.
That let to a huge market there.
It also led to huge lag problems.
Imagine all the jita shopping traffic, and then add to that every pilot that wanted to go from 1 empires space to anothers.
Horrible.
So CCP re-arranged the superhighway.
The big marketeers in eve at the time got together, scouted out places, and collectively decided to move their operations to jita, for various reasons. At the time it had vast ore belts, and level 4 - high quality agent missions. The agents and ore have been moved .. I think? ( I don't go to jita much .. .and I certainly don't hang around to sight-see when I do. )
It still has a huge number of factory slots, and a decent number of laboratories.
It also did and still has a fair bit of travel-thru traffic... it's on the way to places.
When they big folks moved their, the smaller folks followed, and Jita was born, completely of the players. |
Jask Avan
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2011.12.24 00:49:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:It also did and still has a fair bit of travel-thru traffic... it's on the way to places.
Not so much as the autopilot now starts with Jita (And only Jita) on avoid. |
Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom
Ushra'Khan
105
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Posted - 2011.12.24 00:53:00 -
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Jask Avan wrote:Ris Dnalor wrote:It also did and still has a fair bit of travel-thru traffic... it's on the way to places. Not so much as the autopilot now starts with Jita (And only Jita) on avoid.
lol, didn't know that. I'm pretty sure it wasn't always that way. In fact I think autopilot didn't used to have the avoid function, or maybe it just didn't work very good at first.
Of course autopilot wasn't put in untill towards the end of open beta so... ( people used to pay much more for courier services before autopilot existed, I can tell you that! )
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Bane Loppknow
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2011.12.24 01:20:00 -
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Jita also used to be unavoidable if you were going in certain directions. The gates surrounding it have been re-arranged, so now there is literally no reason to go to jita unless you want to go to jita.
One of those little not-so-obvious things that makes EVE the awesome game that it is. Players built Jita into what it is today, and CCP has simply worked to try to make it function more smoothly. |
Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.12.24 01:21:00 -
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As an earlier poster stated it used to Yulai. CCP didn't like the idea of a central hub, so they removed alot of the stargate access to Yulai and the market slowly died there.
Hence the birth of Jita which was now the most accessible central system.
CCP then hired economists to analyze their game and they told them that market hubs can not be curbed no matter what you do, because it's simply human nature to form them and this games very premise is to encourage freedom! |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2011.12.24 01:29:00 -
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Santa Cluas was travelling through jita when someone suicide ganked him. Once people heard that news they showed up to loot his bag of toys and goodies, then posted them for sale off of the jita station. That is how it started. |
Pinkfluff
Lone Wolf Supply Co.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.24 02:28:00 -
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Didn't Jita also once have an ice field? |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2011.12.24 02:32:00 -
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I'm not saying it was lobbyists... But it was lobbyists.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
53
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Posted - 2011.12.24 02:33:00 -
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Pinkfluff wrote:Didn't Jita also once have an ice field?
Sobaseki, which is next door used to have one.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises
Ev0ke
35
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Posted - 2011.12.24 02:39:00 -
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The most fascinating thing about Jita for me has always been the fact that on Serenity - the chinese server - Jita is also the trade hub, because all the 3rd party infos in the web - referencing TQ - stated that it was.
So everyone went there. So everyone sold there. And thus, it became. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.24 03:03:00 -
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Pinkfluff wrote:Didn't Jita also once have an ice field?
Yep, agents too. The ice and agents went away at around the same time the gates around jita were moved and the "avoid" was added to AP, 2006, early 2007 I think it was. |
Ramacliv
Y N HUH
WUT ALLIANCE
12
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Posted - 2011.12.24 05:09:00 -
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Yesss Yesss avoid Jita like a plague carrier I will.
Actually I have been there and seen it. I even bought stuff there. Point of actual fact I find better deals on things a lot closer to where I operate than Jita is. If you also account for travel time in the cost of things I have no reason to go to Jita. It is nice to know there is a place you can go and find everything in the game for sale in one system for a reasonable price but then I am a simple man and I don;t need everything in the game. In point of fact I just need a handful of ships fitted for whatever task I wish to perform and a place close by to replace them and the fittings should what I am doing cause me to lose one. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
91
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Posted - 2011.12.24 06:26:00 -
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There is no lowsec or nullsec "central hub", but there are regional hubs, especially in Sov nullsec. Most sov holders will usually have their "HQ" system (i.e. VFK-IV for Goons, 6VDT-H for TEST, etc.) and this system will usually serve as the market hub for the alliance and its allies. |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander
AL3XAND3R.
16
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Posted - 2011.12.24 06:36:00 -
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The scammers picked Jita...everyone else just went looking for a bargain . |
Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
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Posted - 2011.12.24 06:40:00 -
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robbyx wrote:The scammers picked Jita...everyone else just went looking for a bargain .
Jita for a bargain? I think not.. You can go two jumps from Jita and get cheaper prices on most anything, and a few more jumps and you can sell for a better price than what Jita buyers are paying. Jita is for suckers and scammers. One place for each party to meet each other in perfect harmony. |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander
AL3XAND3R.
16
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Posted - 2011.12.24 06:48:00 -
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Jimi Crackcorn wrote:robbyx wrote:The scammers picked Jita...everyone else just went looking for a bargain . Jita for a bargain? I think not.. You can go two jumps from Jita and get cheaper prices on most anything, and a few more jumps and you can sell for a better price than what Jita buyers are paying. Jita is for suckers and scammers. One place for each party to meet each other in perfect harmony.
Sarcasm and subtle humour not used in your country ? |
Atticus Fynch
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Posted - 2011.12.24 06:50:00 -
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robbyx wrote:Jimi Crackcorn wrote:robbyx wrote:The scammers picked Jita...everyone else just went looking for a bargain . Jita for a bargain? I think not.. You can go two jumps from Jita and get cheaper prices on most anything, and a few more jumps and you can sell for a better price than what Jita buyers are paying. Jita is for suckers and scammers. One place for each party to meet each other in perfect harmony. Sarcasm and subtle humour not used in your country ?
In Soviet Russia, sarcasm use you.
Please help someone with a school paper by taking this quick survey on the topic of color and emotions.
http://www.quibblo.com/quiz/fYNnl41/A-University-Study-Does-Color-Affect-Emotion-A-2-Part-Study-2-of-2?view_quiz=1
Thank You. |
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Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
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Posted - 2011.12.24 20:34:00 -
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robbyx wrote:Jimi Crackcorn wrote:robbyx wrote:The scammers picked Jita...everyone else just went looking for a bargain . Jita for a bargain? I think not.. You can go two jumps from Jita and get cheaper prices on most anything, and a few more jumps and you can sell for a better price than what Jita buyers are paying. Jita is for suckers and scammers. One place for each party to meet each other in perfect harmony. Sarcasm and subtle humour not used in your country ?
Sarcasm doesn't really carry well over text. Next time use the proper codes.
[Sarcasm][/sarcasm]
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Halcyon Ingenium
Warm Holes
70
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Posted - 2011.12.24 20:41:00 -
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Atticus Fynch wrote:BTW, is there a low/null sec equivalent? Should there be?
Hek is the only thing I can think of that comes close.
That which always was, and is, and will be everlasting fire,
the same for all, the cosmos, made neither by god nor man,
replenishes in measure as it burns away. -Heraclitus |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
180
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Posted - 2011.12.24 20:48:00 -
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Check the QEN for 2009, Q4 on page 24 under "The Development of Trade Hubs" and "The Early Years". |
Robur Carolinum
Drama Llamas
Phobia.
0
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Posted - 2011.12.24 20:51:00 -
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Intaki is (was?) a decent trade hub for a lowsec system. Nothing on the scale of the big highsec hubs of course, but it was certainly possible to fit up a number of combat ship for a decent price . |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander
AL3XAND3R.
16
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Posted - 2011.12.24 20:56:00 -
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Jimi Crackcorn wrote:robbyx wrote:Jimi Crackcorn wrote:robbyx wrote:The scammers picked Jita...everyone else just went looking for a bargain . Jita for a bargain? I think not.. You can go two jumps from Jita and get cheaper prices on most anything, and a few more jumps and you can sell for a better price than what Jita buyers are paying. Jita is for suckers and scammers. One place for each party to meet each other in perfect harmony. Sarcasm and subtle humour not used in your country ? Sarcasm doesn't really carry well over text. Next time use the proper codes. [Sarcasm][/sarcasm]
If i did then it wouldnt be very subtle would it.....ill let you of with a warning this time and fore-go the usual insults about being educated in a trailer park by your mother who is also your sister etc . |
Skydell
Space Mermaids
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Posted - 2011.12.24 21:39:00 -
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Jita was the name of a Guild in WoW. |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.12.24 22:11:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Location Location Location.
Did you intentionally write the completely incorrect answer 3 times for effect?
go away troll
Wherever You Went - Here You Are |
Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
17
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Posted - 2011.12.24 22:13:00 -
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robbyx wrote:If i did then it wouldnt be very subtle would it.....ill let you of with a warning this time and fore-go the usual insults about being educated in a trailer park by your mother who is also your sister etc .
But if it's so subtle that nobody gets it but you then what exactly is the point, other than a false sense of superiority of course? What you need to do is either, use the tags, or learn to properly balance your subtlety levels as there was nothing in your post indicating that you aren't, in fact, an idiot who thinks Jita is where the bargains are at.
Like reading your post didn't even get my sarcasm radar running, let alone actually detecting a signal, as there was no indication of any attempted "subtle sarcasm" but every indication that you are in fact just that damn stupid. |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander
AL3XAND3R.
16
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Posted - 2011.12.24 22:30:00 -
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Jimi Crackcorn wrote:robbyx wrote:If i did then it wouldnt be very subtle would it.....ill let you of with a warning this time and fore-go the usual insults about being educated in a trailer park by your mother who is also your sister etc . But if it's so subtle that nobody gets it but you then what exactly is the point, other than a false sense of superiority of course? What you need to do is either, use the tags, or learn to properly balance your subtlety levels as there was nothing in your post indicating that you aren't, in fact, an idiot who thinks Jita is where the bargains are at. Like reading your post didn't even get my sarcasm radar running, let alone actually detecting a signal, as there was no indication of any attempted "subtle sarcasm" but every indication that you are in fact just that damn stupid.
Considering you are the only person that commented on it, im pretty sure you're alone....and i seriously doubt that anyone who actually thinks Jita is anything more than a place to scam couldnt form a coherent sentence......and no, i will not dumb down my posts to placate people like you who thinks David Letterman and Jerry Seinfeld are the pinnacle of humour.
Your idiocy and poor education is no concern of mine, maybe if your parents werent brother and sister and actually spent some time raising you rather than letting the random crack dealers they left you with while they shot up do it, then maybe you'd have a clue, somehow i doubt it, your just an inherent dullard to be honest. |
Jimi Crackcorn
Directed Evolution Corp
17
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Posted - 2011.12.24 23:01:00 -
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robbyx wrote:Jimi Crackcorn wrote:robbyx wrote:If i did then it wouldnt be very subtle would it.....ill let you of with a warning this time and fore-go the usual insults about being educated in a trailer park by your mother who is also your sister etc . But if it's so subtle that nobody gets it but you then what exactly is the point, other than a false sense of superiority of course? What you need to do is either, use the tags, or learn to properly balance your subtlety levels as there was nothing in your post indicating that you aren't, in fact, an idiot who thinks Jita is where the bargains are at. Like reading your post didn't even get my sarcasm radar running, let alone actually detecting a signal, as there was no indication of any attempted "subtle sarcasm" but every indication that you are in fact just that damn stupid. Considering you are the only person that commented on it, im pretty sure you're alone....and i seriously doubt that anyone who actually thinks Jita is anything more than a place to scam couldnt form a coherent sentence......and no, i will not dumb down my posts to placate people like you who thinks David Letterman and Jerry Seinfeld are the pinnacle of humour. Your idiocy and poor education is no concern of mine, maybe if your parents werent brother and sister and actually spent some time raising you rather than letting the random crack dealers they left you with while they shot up do it, then maybe you'd have a clue, somehow i doubt it, your just an inherent dullard to be honest.
Ad hom nom nom nom nom. Your logic is clearly undeniable here. Clearly anyone who can't discern sarcasm through text MUST be an inbred redneck, beer swilling, Jesus praising son of a gun! I mean, we all know that tone of voice translates so well into text, you'd have to be the half ******** step cousin of Uncle Bob not to see your vast intelligence on this subject.
Also, don't take the communities unwillingness to point out your stupidity as a lack thereof. If anything, the Eve community agreeing with you should be taken as an insult. |
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.12.24 23:19:00 -
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In case any newbies came on the forums and managed to scroll past the kids squabbling:
There are three other trade hubs, Amarr, Dodixie and Rens. They all have some nice attractions to them.
Ideas and stuff
EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
BondGamer
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.12.25 00:05:00 -
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Jita became what it is today because 1 big producer decided he wanted to use 4-4. Then another guy moved in. And another. Before you knew it Jita was the trading hub.
All the fairy tales in this thread are hilarious, especially this one.
Ris Dnalor wrote:The big marketeers in eve at the time got together, scouted out places, and collectively decided to move their operations to jita, for various reasons. At the time it had vast ore belts, and level 4 - high quality agent missions. The agents and ore have been moved .. I think? ( I don't go to jita much .. .and I certainly don't hang around to sight-see when I do. )
Coming to a space consensuses? lol |
Ioci
Space Mermaids
26
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Posted - 2011.12.25 01:34:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:In case any newbies came on the forums and managed to scroll past the kids squabbling:
There are three other trade hubs, Amarr, Dodixie and Rens. They all have some nice attractions to them.
Comparing Amarr, Dodi and Rens to Jita is like comparing STO to EVE.
Chuck Norris was in Jita once. I saw it on the youtubes. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
321
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Posted - 2011.12.25 02:46:00 -
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The original trade hubs after Yulai were, Jita 4-4, Oursulaert III, Rens 6 and Amarr Oris.
The main reason these all became trade hubs after yulai was they all had level 1 and 2 agents and the old tutorial directed most newbies there to run missions. But also before trinity, all these systems had level 4 agents in them too. So the combination of newbies being directed to these systems and the lvl 4 agents lead to the trade hub creation.
However oursulaert 3 is dead.
BRING BACK OURS 3! Trade there! |
robbyx
Sons Of Alexander
AL3XAND3R.
16
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Posted - 2011.12.25 03:00:00 -
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Ioci wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:In case any newbies came on the forums and managed to scroll past the kids squabbling:
There are three other trade hubs, Amarr, Dodixie and Rens. They all have some nice attractions to them. Comparing Amarr, Dodi and Rens to Jita is like comparing STO to EVE. Chuck Norris was in Jita once. I saw it on the youtubes.
Dont think he was trying to compare them, just pointing out that there are other hubs.....and if that second line was a joke you better point it out before some kiddie takes it seriously and cries about it.
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Ris Dnalor
Fleet of Doom
Ushra'Khan
121
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Posted - 2011.12.25 04:02:00 -
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BondGamer wrote:Jita became what it is today because 1 big producer decided he wanted to use 4-4. Then another guy moved in. And another. Before you knew it Jita was the trading hub. All the fairy tales in this thread are hilarious, especially this one. Ris Dnalor wrote:The big marketeers in eve at the time got together, scouted out places, and collectively decided to move their operations to jita, for various reasons. At the time it had vast ore belts, and level 4 - high quality agent missions. The agents and ore have been moved .. I think? ( I don't go to jita much .. .and I certainly don't hang around to sight-see when I do. ) Coming to a space consensuses? lol
Perhaps you're right, and it was 1 person. The memories I have from that many years ago say that it was several, though I am not infallible, so I cede you may be correct.
The fact remains it was chosen by player(s), and not CCP.
The real truth is the reasons behind which it was chosen:
3 Regions very close together.
LOTS of Caldari players at the time.
Many station resources, agents, factories, labs, as well as many asteroid belts -- some of which is gone now.
One might argue that CCP indirectly chose it's location when they laid out the resources, and removed the incentive to base out of Yulai.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback BondGamer. 
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Ecnav
Defence Initiative
0
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Posted - 2011.12.25 05:48:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:The original trade hubs after Yulai were, Jita 4-4, Oursulaert III, Rens 6 and Amarr Oris.
However oursulaert 3 is dead.
BRING BACK OURS 3! Trade there!
Ours might be dead, but most of that business moved to dodixie, which is flurishing. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
381
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Posted - 2011.12.25 05:54:00 -
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once chuck norris wanted to go shopping, so he created jita
a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
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